Originally Posted by yevgenievich

quick chop of what i think you are talking about

Originally Posted by yevgenievich

quick chop of what i think you are talking about

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

that's exactly what i was talking about. i would probably turn the camaro amber lights into fog lights. that looks amazing

Originally Posted by Stephen

Not real bad looking, but if the goal is to get the big front opening.....I think it would be easier to just cut the middles out & graft that in there.

With the whole lower section, you end up with 4 amber lights up front.

Originally Posted by yevgenievich

those are the camaro ground effects and partially camaro fender in the chop. It was quick so not very clean

Originally Posted by jj74sd455

yuck,just buy a camaro if thats what you want,pontiac spent alot of time to differentiate from the camaro,what a shame

Originally Posted by yevgenievich

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

if they wanted something so different why are so many parts interchangeable face it firebirds and camaros are pretty much the same cars. and it aint the first time camaro parts have gone on a firebird or even the other way around
also i will be getting a camaro but just so i can get parts from it for my firebird.

Originally Posted by jj74sd455

lol,good luck with that. if they were the same there wouldnt have been two different brands would there?. firebird people like the way firebirds look and camaro guys like the way camaros look. similar but very different

Originally Posted by Shadow Z

What color is that? It looks amazing.

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

...and do this bumper mod.and ill use the ground effects off the camaro to cuz that's the only thing that don't look rite in the photoshop yevgenievich did.

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Originally Posted by gregsz-28

If you use Camaro ground effects on a 'bird, you also have to use a Camaro rear bumper, which = no place to put your license plate.

Originally Posted by gregsz-28

If you use Camaro ground effects on a 'bird, you also have to use a Camaro rear bumper, which = no place to put your license plate.

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

could you cut the ground effects off the camaro rear bumper and put them on the firebird bumper. similar to the plan for the front. my firebird has no ground effects but the camaro does.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Pull the center section of the 'bird tail light section out & put your plate there, just like on a Camaro. Simply solution.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Just use the TA/GTA/TTA rear bumper. Problem solved, since the ground fx are molded in.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Pull the center section of the 'bird tail light section out & put your plate there, just like on a Camaro. Simply solution.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Just use the TA/GTA/TTA rear bumper. Problem solved, since the ground fx are molded in.

Originally Posted by gregsz-28

Does the center section on 'bird tail lights already fold down the same as the license plate on a Camaro, to unlock the hatch? (sorry if it's a stupid question, but I really have no experience with 'birds)

Originally Posted by gregsz-28

Does the center section on 'bird tail lights already fold down the same as the license plate on a Camaro, to unlock the hatch? (sorry if it's a stupid question, but I really have no experience with 'birds)

Originally Posted by gregsz-28

I don't think those gfx would match the Camaro ones...

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

no there's a hole in it for the lock

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

Stephen are your license plates in texas smaller than mine in new york? cuz mine are an inch or two wider than my center section. if wanted to put the plate up there i would have to trim my lights.

Originally Posted by yevgenievich

quick chop of what i think you are talking about

Originally Posted by jj74sd455

lol,good luck with that. if they were the same there wouldnt have been two different brands would there?. firebird people like the way firebirds look and camaro guys like the way camaros look. similar but very different

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

i am gonna do this next winter. what would be the best way to attach the two bumpers together?

plastic welding or some kind of epoxy.

or should i just make a fiber glass mold of the two bumpers and fiberglass the molds together and make a new fiberglass bumper.


CaveCock i agree with you 100%

Originally Posted by CaveCock

lol, they are two different brands under the same company, all parts on the 82-92 F-body's are interchangeable, yes if you want to use a firebird fender on a camaro or viseversa you have to use the entire front clip same for the rear bumper, but other than that almost everything is a bolt on swap that may only need minor massaging to fit right, they are the same car, all came with the same option motor + trans, just look different

they didnt work that hard on changing the front, rear and dash

thats the biggest reason Pontiac died

Originally Posted by jj74sd455

no fool,the reason pontiac died is because gm couldnt handle the competition between chevy and pontiac,never could. and as far as being the same car ive heard that enough to make me sick so you arent too original.i know they had all the same options due to the "corporate engine",if you want a bastard car go for it,i personally cant stand the thought of putting chevy body parts on a yac

Originally Posted by jj74sd455

i personally cant stand the thought of putting chevy body parts on a yac

Originally Posted by ncmail

If your going for more air flow why not do something like this?? I personally like how this looks over the 'maro bumper. And it would be a lot more simple IMO

Originally Posted by CaveCock

i personally think it would look better if it was painted the same as the car, it doesnt look bad as is, but if it was shiny it would look awesome.

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

ncmail better airflow aint my goal. my goal is simply to create a one of a kind vehicle.that does look sweet tho. one problem i would have going that route is i have the base bird bumper. which already has 2 huge holes in it. so i would have to by a gta or trans am bumper. and why spend money on that when i plan to get a camaro anyway.

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

CaveCock earlier you said "best bet would be to cut both bumpers and drill holes about 2cm apart from each other all the way across both sections to be joined, then "stitch" them together with thin wire and fiberglass over that, then when you sand it down there should be a good enough bond to hold the pieces together, and with good body work you wont be able to see the seam of the two pieces "

i thought i read some where that you can't use fiberglass on polyurethane. something about expansion rates causing cracking. correct me if im wrong. thats why i was thinking of using an epoxy.

i like the idea of stitching them with wire but wouldn't that create a ridge after you cover it with epoxy or fiberglass. maybe if i where to do it rite on the lip of the bumper it wouldn't be noticeable.

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

CaveCock earlier you said "best bet would be to cut both bumpers and drill holes about 2cm apart from each other all the way across both sections to be joined, then "stitch" them together with thin wire and fiberglass over that, then when you sand it down there should be a good enough bond to hold the pieces together, and with good body work you wont be able to see the seam of the two pieces "

i thought i read some where that you can't use fiberglass on polyurethane. something about expansion rates causing cracking. correct me if im wrong. thats why i was thinking of using an epoxy.

i like the idea of stitching them with wire but wouldn't that create a ridge after you cover it with epoxy or fiberglass. maybe if i where to do it rite on the lip of the bumper it wouldn't be noticeable.

Originally Posted by CaveCock

oh i have no idea what can and cant be used together, lol, im just now starting to learn body work, but it sounds reasonable that cracking could happen, in the video they take a stock bumper off of the car, as far as i know its a polyurethane bumper, and graft the fiberglass aftermarket GFX bumper too it, and i cant remember if when they sanded it down the wire was also sanded then smoothed over again with bondo or fiberglass? i cant remember, but it turns out good

whenever you can watch the video its pretty sick, and makes things look pretty easy

Originally Posted by 87bluebird

would the billet grill work with the front license plate. i like the way that looks. maybey i could move the license plate.