i was coming around the corner and messed up in the beginning and started sliding all kinds of crazy i smacked a telephone poll at bout 20-30 MPH probably after all the spinning i did about 2 180'S and then smacked the telephone poll
i wat to know if anybody thinks that there could be any frame damage i will post pictures soon but i WAS ALSO WONDERING IF ANYBODY KNOW WHAT FRONT FENDERS,,,,FRONT END AND HOOD WILL FIT A
1989 RS CAMARO V8(305) STICKSHIFT
THE DRIVER DOOR WILL NOT OPEN THEN FRONT END IS SHIFTED TO THE RIGHT ABOUT 2 INCHES and the hood is shifted also please any help would be appreciated

 

Without pics, it is a pure guessing game. But my bet is on frame damage, based on your description.

 

Pics needed... these cars don't have a "frame" its unibody so more likely ull need a frame machine to align it

 

i will try n get some pics right now how much is it if you have to align frame?

 

it depends on the damage it could be something easy that 1 pull will do it or it could be more will be hard to tell with only pics since doors and other panels will cover the actual damage, u might be better off gettin another shell unless YOU do the work

 

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notice line center line on hood shifted an inch from front end also hood is popped up a bit and is bent i will post more in the daylight tommarrow
and what do you mean i miss understood your last reply

 

any pics of the driver side??? we need to see the door and the fender. by the looks it dsnt look that bad to have frame damage

 

sry what i was trying to say doesn't apply to the damage that u have. u made it sound like it was worst than it really is (by the looks on the pics)

 

That honestly doesn't look all that bad. I am in the situation as you right now. Last year I made a miscalculation and oversteered the car on I-95 and smacked a truck at 70MPH. Completely obliterated the front nose and right front fender. You can see where the hood got pushed towards the driver side and the driver fender now sticks out slightly past the driver door.

The body shop looked at it and said it wasn't all that bad given the accident I was in. I'm actually getting it pulled next month. Costing me $450.

And everyone here is correct. Other than repairs that require specific tools/knowledge, do the work yourself.

 

i will post more pics in the daylight that side is what got hit but those pictures make it look better i will try for a better camera also
and from what you can see am i better off doing it myself or taking it to MEXICO?
very down to do body work myself but do not have a lot of tools

 

no ur better off doint it urself lol i've seen some tijuana jobs they really know BONDO lol unless u know people there that will do i good job.

 

how difficult would it do i have to smack the frame with hammer or something to make the fenders and what not fit?

 

again i doubt theres frame damage but if there is u can use a 2x4 a tree or even a telephone poll like the one u hit and a comealong from harbor freight and that will do it. i can guide u through the process if u want

 

yes i would appreciate that im going to start fixin this car asap.
what should i start to do first?

 

Well take pics of the driver side first... but the first thing ur gonna be doing is take the nose hood and fenders off and ur gonna measure the unibody to see if its squared. ill point out the reference points as soon as u take pics with the hood and fenders off

 

OK I WILL HAVE PICTURES FIRST THING THIS MORNING

 

It's your car to do as you please but for the frame work I'd really recommend taking it to a body shop that has machines and can do precise measurements rather than doing it yourself with guesswork.

 

im about to post mass pictures i will be taking it to a shop to get an estimate ask what they would have to do and then base it off there
IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO SEE ANOTHER PART OF THE CAR tell me and i will take the picture im thinking some underneath pictures but i dont know i crawled underneath the car and nothing but fenders look bent the only thing that worries me is that the door wont open on the opposite side that i hit and then hood is raised and shifted ovetr along with the rest of the fenders

 

is not guess work when you know where to take the measurements from and and what they should be, how do i know? I do it for a living... but i do agree that its better to take it to a shop because they have the equipment to pull it. That dsnt mean they will do it right but at least u have someone to complaint to if something is not right.



OP. The reason why ur ds door dsnt open is because the force of the impact got transfered through the radiator support to the ds fender and thats what made it to close the gap between the door and the fender. Thats why the shop or u will need to pull the ps side fender unibody section to pull the whole thing where it should be but measurements need to be taken first to see how much pulling will be needed.

 

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do any of these pictures help if anybody wants to see another part tell me AND i will go take the picture

 

take a pic from the back on the ds place the lence of the camera right at the end of the tail light to see the whole side. also take one of the whole engine bay area to see both fenders from the top

 

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if you need any more just let me know i just want to know if this job is going to be something i should attempt
or if im gonna need frame allignment machines

 

great pics... honestly i still think is just the fenders, i still doubt theres too much frame damage.(by the pics). next step is to take it appart and start taking measurements. if u want just take it to a shop and see what they say but im 98% they will give u just an estimate because they will need to take it apart to asses the damage.

how does it fill when u drive it?? does it pull to one side?

 

it drives fien doesent pull to either direction when i let go of the wheel
stil has all its power
but u think that a shop would have to take off the fenders to give me an estimate

 

If the body is warpped you can easily see in the tires. Run a string from back tire in the middle of the backend of the side wall to the front tire middle of the front sidewall. If the body is messed up it will show the string should touch both ends of the sidewalls front to rear. Do that for both sides.

It looks like you hit it and moved the fender over. All of that is bolted it will bend the fender and could cause that.

 

hard to comprehend what u just said cause im in a rush right now i think i know what ur saying take a string from the back tire and pull it to the side of the front to see if the string bends

 

Yes, you need it to touch the entire entire sidewall on both tires on both side of the car.

 

That will buff right out

 

 

Any estimator can do a quick cross measurement of the engine compartment and see if the nose is swung over. Usually when you see the fender to door gap on the oposite side close up it's a safe bet something has moved.

And even though the string on the tires thing will show certain types of damage, front rails are designed to bend in front of the suspension, which means the string may not show anything, but frame damage may still be present.

 

Agree...

the "cross measurements"where the ones i was referring to in my previous posts, the is the only way you would know for sure about the unibody damage, but in order to get better measurement, fenders and hood will need to be off so that nothing is in the way

 

im going to be having a little "party" this weekend taking off fenders,hood, nose
are any of these parts redicously hard to get off anfd anybody have any tips

ALSO would i be able to fix the fenders, and hood that i have that are bent if i smack them out with a hammer once there off or am i better off buying old junkyard ones

 

just went to a auto shop the said 350$ to square the body he said the frame was bent a little bit
he said they could do a little bit of hammering
but i feel like hes trying to rip me off i dont know am i better off just tak9ing off the right fender and nose off and measure myself if i do where do i find these measurments for the unibody

 

also i think im gonna go start taking bolts off
i dont know if i should or not
all the guy is going to do for 350 is take the nose/fender off and pull the body

 

If nothing else by taking the bumper cover and fender off yourself you won't have to pay the shop to do it and the cost will be a little less.

Did they give you an estimate or just a verbal price. At $50 per hour thats 7 hours. We charge 2 hours for "setup and measure" on the frame rack and that would leave 5 hours for removing the parts, repairing the damage and reassembling the car.
You may feel it's a bit much. As an autobody tech I thinks it's fair and reasonable.

 

There is no way you will get the car straight w/o a rack if the frame is bent, iy may look straight but it'll be off. Take the parts off yourself and let them straighten it...

 

u think that is a good price 350 for squaring the body
and u say if i take the front bumper cover off and the fender it should drop the price a bit and he gave me an estimate
ALSO do i have to remove the headlights for the front bumper to come off
and my dad said he has gone top this place in mexico for the pat 8 years i took my escort out there last year for them to replace the fender and it came out preety good
IF THEY HAVE ALL THE ALLIGNMENT MACHINES wouldent a professional autobody shop in mexico be just as good as the Mexicans at A-Way Collision Auto Repair

 

j91 u think i should take the fender hood and front bumper off IF SO do i have to remove the other fender for them to put it on a rack AND how the hell do i get the front bumper off do i have to remove the lights or are all the bolts accesable from underneath

 

It can be a little easier to get to the bumper nuts that run up the front of the fender if you go in thru the headlight area. Take the black plastic bezel off the headlight and take a little hook tool and release the spring from the corner of the headlight bucket. then the headlight will just slip off the adjusters and it's out. Then you can reach in and get to some of the upper nuts a little easier.

No you don't have to take the other fender off to put the car on a frame rack. The way I see it from your pics is the right fender has to come off to get to the damaged upper rail thats right inside the fender.

If the estimate you got is itemized then it will show the cost they figured to remove and install the bumper cover and fender. If you do that work yourself the bodyshop should take that much off of the price.

 

Oh crap ... my bad ... you're working on a Camaro not a bird. The headlight thing may not be that easy.

 

so your saying to remove front bumper is alot easier if i remove the lights because it makes it easier to get to the nuts ALSO nothing i could do but save me money by taking the front fender and bumper off AND doesent that make the car not street legal incase i had to drive down to the body shop after fenders and bumpers are off

 

I was mistaken about the headlights on your car... I have firebird on the brain. lol. So no it won't make it easier to get to the bumper nuts on the front edge of the fender. I think on a Camaro you have to do it from underneath and the lights may all come out with the bumper cover. And yes you would have to rig up turn signals to drive it during the day. I don't think there is any law that says you have to have the bumper cover on and the bumper bar behind the cover will stay on the car. For driving with the fenders off I don't know what cali laws are but you could have just a couple bolts in it and remove it at the shop.

 

actually in california u HAVE to have the bumper cover on ....
and yes as a body tech i also agree that 350 is more than a fare price to straighten the damage....
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thats why i suggested before. u can take measurements ur self if the unibody where the fenders bolt into moved a lil u CAN straightened ur self (i've done it without frame machine) if its too much take it to the body shop to do the pulling, if its on the bottom than u do need a frame machine.