kevosiroc

You can mark me down for 1 set as soon as they are available

ANDYZ28

I have you marked down for one set.

Thanx,ANDYZ28

foney_email

the dust cover thing... most don't have them, if your car did not come stock with a 9 bolt. The dust cover takes a LOT of damage when taken out of the car. It is the only part on the ground except the pinion yolk. They bend and usually break their welded bead off. I have them on mine, I tried as hard as I could to salvage them. I think they serve a purpose. They make me "feel better" about it. I sure don't want any dust getting on my rotors.

I am sure dust on the calipers would just ruin my entire car and make it explode at a stop sign or something.

Nah, I just really liked the look of having the dust covers installed. They look so cool right there near the rotors. Looks nice to me anyway. It looks more complete, you know.

ANDYZ28

Mine does not have the dust covers, never did, and the sample set I received from Ed do not have them either. Their appear to be two different styles of 9 bolt backing plates. The ones with early style with the little wings that the dust shield is attached (welded) to, and the later style which is stamped with a curved lip at the front.

Perhaps the omission of the dust shield enhances cooling of the brakes. For example, the 1LE front brake package does not use any dust shields. Just a thought.

Thanx,ANDYZ28

CrazyHawaiian

Interesting thread! Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do I identify the brake setup in my 9 bolt rear? Revlimit hooked me up with a B/W 9 bolt w/ 3.27's and discs but I'm not sure what year/model it was from. How would I identify what I have and what posible upgrades are there? Sounds like if this bracket is made we can upgrade the rear to 1LE brakes. I'm game!!!

Also, would upgrading the brakes to 1LE on the rear of a 9 bolt cause you to need new e-brake assembly or proportioning valve? I still have the stock RS pieces (hmmm!!).

Thanks!!

Z28ricer

iTrader: (2)

Basically your calipers will be like the one on the left in the pic, and the rotors very close to 12"

ANDYZ28

If your rear has cast iron calipers, then you will need to upgrade to the more desirable aluminium PBR rear brakes.

This is available in kit form soon. It includes the correct parking brake cables for your application.

Thanx ANDYZ28

CrazyHawaiian

Sweet!! Yeah I think I have the cast iron calipers. They are very small!!! Will the kit include the rotors? If not, do you know where can we get new rotors? Thanks Andy!!

ANDYZ28

Kit includes everything.

Thanx,ANDYZ28

lock

Where can I get info on this "kit".

thanks

JamesC

iTrader: (5)

I'm interested as well.

JamesC

ANDYZ28

I should have info w/pictures about this kit on my website in a few days.

Some members already have the kit. Whils others have used portions of it.

Once the conversion is coplete using my kit. You will never be able to tell it was originally a drum brake rear.

Pictures of the conversion process are on my CD.

Thanx,ANDYZ28

chacane67

Cost effective method....

Everyone interested, pitch in a few buck for the purchase of "1" bracket, since they are the same (with the exception of where the spacer washer is) and burn a few sets out. This bracket will handle three seperate bolt patterns..........

chevyguy1969

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Hey Guys,

I was wondering if anyone has made any progress with this? My 9-bolt factory brakes are just crap. I have one caliper that is leaking and the only place that has them in town wants $300 for the pair loaded. I was like NO WAY, I would rather drop $400 and get some sort of upgrade.
Hey ANDY, if you where able to put together a 9-bolt disc to PRB disc upgrade kit, you definitly have a customer here. I have read the reviews about your kits and everyone has had nothing but great things to say about it. I did have 1 question on payment, do you prefer a check or do you use something like Paypal or Billpay?

ebmiller88

iTrader: (7)

Andy's stuff is top notch, and researched to the limit to be correct...you can't go wrong with his stuff.

Ed

kevosiroc

Hey Andy, Just wondering if you have had any mounting brackets made up yet.

ANDYZ28

I have the backing plates ready. They fit either 9bolt or 10 bolt rears.

As far as a rear brake upgrade goes. The price is the same for 9 bolt or 10 bolt complete kit. Includes everything! $731.00 + shipping. Check is preferred so as to avoid the high fees of PayPal or BillPay.

Thanx,andyz28

kevosiroc

I would like to purchase just the backing plates for a 9 bolt with 1LE brakes. Let me know how much and how to pay you.

ANDYZ28

The backing plates are $71.00 plus shipping.

Thanx,andyZ28

KRUSS

Andy:

I've read everything on 1LE brakes I can find and learned that the factory 1LE rear axle was a 9 bolt Borg-Warner (7.75"). If that's true, why is it so hard to find "backing plates" to match the flange on the 9 bolt axle? Is it because nobody makes a 9 bolt version of the 1LE rear caliper backing plate anymore (other than the universal plate made by Baer)?

Please advise. I'm a little foggy on this.

Ken

ebmiller88

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That's correct. No one makes them anymore except Andy, and they're hard to come by...just the plates. Only way I found a set was to get the whole rearend, minus all other brake parts.

HTH..

Ed

KRUSS

Incidentally, are the calipers shown in this photo (Baer rear disk brake kit) the same PBR calipers that came on the 1LE?

Ken

ANDYZ28

Very close to the 1LE calipers. But the parking brake cable brackets are slightly different.

ANDYZ28

Only the very few 1989 1LE cars had the 9 bolt. GM finally got its' act together in 1990 and used the "corporate axle" assembly (10 bolt) along with the PBR calipers.
The problem with the 9 bolt B-W axle "PBR" backing plates is that they were only used one year, 1989. As a result they are very hard to find used, new or otherwise. If I remember correctly, Baer wants $150.00 each ($300.00 pair) for them. The odd thing about the Baer setup is, "That for the money they charge for the rear brake conversion kit, you don't even get any prebent hardlines, and that's the biggest pain in the neck of the whole conversion".

It's kinda like buying a house without windows.

Thanx,andyZ28

lock

Andy, these brake pats on your website? I cant find them

ANDYZ28

No, I don't carry them on the website because it is intended to be a thirdgen.org member only "thing". I am just trying to help out fellow members. I know it may sound corny. But it's true. I don't think I could handle the volume of emails if I put it on my website. I am hoping to soon had over the brake operation to another company. It's just gotten to be too much!

For those of you that have GM trucks check out http://andyz28.com/truck then you will see why I have been so busy.

Thanx,andyZ28

88Roc350TPI

I hate to burst your bubble Andy, but I know 2 people with '89 IROC-Z's that ARE NOT 1LE that have the PBR rear brakes and 9 bolt rears. '88 was the last year for the old iron caliper on the 9 bolts.

ebmiller88

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All rear disc brake systems from '89 and up, 9 or 10 bolt, are the PBR/1LE style.

The point of the thread is that GM doesn't make the 9 bolt backing plates but Andy does, and that's the only place to get new ones unless you happen to find a set, mod the 10 bolt ones, or make your own.

Not to flame you man..we're all wrong every now and then. Andy has put a lot of work into this brake stuff and his CD is proof.

Ed

88Roc350TPI

Also,

Wasn't the whole purpose of this thread to somehow undercut the Baer price significantly?

Just visited Thunder Racing's website, the Bear rear disk kit for any of the three axle configurations available on the 3rd gen is $715.00

$731 > $715

Lets go back to math class.

Now I'm building a 10bolt for my car...So my backing plates are still available. The way I figure it, I can do the whole thing for about $550 buying all the parts at retail prices that everyone else pays. Now if I were in the business of selling this stuff to people I would be seeking sources to buy at wholesale prices and strive to provide a kit at a price LESS THAN the Baer kit, and LESS THAN what the person would pay going out to the various auto parts stores and the GM dealer and picking up all these pieces to do it himself. As far as the bracket for the 9bolt....C'mon, Baer's looks incredibly simple, a flat plate with some holes in it. Hmm, looks like about $5 each to me tops to make, thats why GM is selling theirs for about $12 (the 10bolt one which is still available)

This is about as ridiculous as the $100 door pins. I'd rather buy ocean front property in Arizona.

ANDYZ28

One important item is absent from the Baer kit. The prebent herdlines, and brakets to attach them to the axle where they meet the flex lines.

I have discovered that the backing plates were not quite as simple to make as I first thought. Or at least that is my experience. I am sure the backing plates can be made for around $5.00 ea. But I am not going to be the one to do it. Or at least not now.

I appreciate the comment about the door pins though. So far, no one has received them, has complained about the price.

Thanx,andyZ28

JamesC

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Andy,

I don't think that 88Roc understands where you stand in the scheme of things on this board, especially with only 150 posts or so. Does he understand, for example, that you have put many, many hours in assisting thirdgenners with 1LE brake up-grades (thanks also to EBMiller) both front and rear? Does he understand about the 1LE CD+ and how helpful it is to hobbists? Does he truly understand the difficulty of replacing the door hinges without your ideas and development? The answer is apparently no.

88Roc, perhaps you should consider that ocean-front property in Arizona.

JamesC

german-motorsport

88Roc350TPI you are a comunist!Cheap azzz! LOL!
Well if you read our old post:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=123636

you´ll see that you are not alone!

Our Q : Where is the BEEEEEEFFFF ! Was welcomed by several
Members on this Board!

A Tip :Forget to post anything against Sponsors and some Members of this Board!

Read the book: ANIMAL FARM and yes some are always above!

One thing , this is AMERICA if you sell a part for 200 $ that is worth 1$ hell if someone buys is it........

and yes you got mail!

88Roc350TPI

I'm not trying to start a flame war here folks.

What I'm saying is that in my opinion it would be more beneficial to the masses if more time was spent trying to get the price down somewhat.

I don't know, or care what kind of profit, if any that Andy is making on this stuff. I'm sure he put alot of work into it. BUT, lets try to think about this the way the common 3rd genner will.....

$731 > $715

When I see this I'm going to go buy the Baers or make my own kit. Maybe someone else won't. Who knows. I know my way around a vehicle pretty well with a wrench and I know how to source parts. I'm sure there's alot of people here that really don't want to take the time to do that so they will buy a "Kit"

I guess all I'm saying is that if I read a post that says that I can buy product X from a poster on a board for $XXX but can buy a name brand product from a retailer for $50 less than that, I'm going to go where it is less. Maybe there will be less parts there, but I will feel better knowing there is coporate backing to it.

Andy, Maybe if you put a list of what yours has vs. what Baer's has, and a price breakdown so we can see what we're getting for the extra $ without first having to spend $ on the CD it would sell alot more.

Just my $0.02

ANDYZ28

To save a lot of typing, I would like to say that once you receive your $50.00 less expensive Baer kit. You will find that you will still need to buy/obtain some other items. I developed my kit to include "everything". I can see now that that was a mistake. I should lower the price and leave some items out of the kit. I have already posted the entire contents of my kit several times.

Oh well, I guess I live and learn.

Thanx,andyZ28

ANDYZ28

Parrydise7

iTrader: (1)

As of today there are 115 p/n 10136854 (right) and 297 p/n 10136853 (left) backing plates left in GM stock. At $10.73 each (plus shipping from gmpartsdirect.com) that price cannot be beat.

ANDYZ28

No they are not on the website. Many people view my website, and I intened the brake items to be only for thirdgen.org members. I have no intention of maketing to the general public.

If anyone is still interested in the backing plates? Let me know right away. I have lost interest in the project, and I am going to turn the whole brake operation over to another company on February 1st, 2003. I am guessing the price can only go up. Just thought I would let you guys know.

Thanx,andyZ28

german-motorsport

Parrydise7
YOUR ARE A NAUGHTY BOY! LOL!

Well sometimes i have the feeling that there is someone above us watching! Taking care of bizz!

I guess all sinners welcome this info!

WWW.CAMARO-FIREBIRD.DE

PS. The rumor is is right as soon as our Monster Alcon Brake is in with Pizza size rotors we ´ll post a little free info on our website!
Plus a real 1Le history info!
remark: in early as 88´mags reported about the 1le even posting how to´s as some of the youngsters in here were too small it might be vital info for them and olders who missed the info!!!

In the pic a Thunder/Baer Kit !725$ perfect pro service and fast delivery!
If all those people who want to update would gather david from Thunder will run a GP! .....maybe 680 $ ????
Now where is the BEEF??!!

CrazyHawaiian

Man I want to upgrade but I cant do it right now. Guess I'll have to see how this turns out. I was interested in asking if it would be possible to buy parts from that kit (to either replace 91-92 disk brake setups with a bad caliper, or to put PBR calipers on a 9 bolt with good rotors). Guess I'll just wait till I have the cash.

But hey Andy, I still plan to buy 2 sets of your door hinge kits. Sagging doors suck!!

aklaim

Just because your getting your parts from a name brand company does not mean that your getting a better deal. And includes absolutley evrything needed for the swap. The baer kit does not. All of the parts that come in andy's kit are GM factory parts (as far as i know) with maybe he exception of something that has to be custom fabbed. And Andy isnt just a "poster" on this board. Hes a sponsor of this site. Use the search button, you'll find many people are very very happy with the quality of Andy's products. Name brand doe not mean better......and hat goes for everything.

Parrydise7

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Aklaim,

I'm considering upgrading my rear brakes and I have looked at both Baer and AndyZ28's product. You and others have said that Andy's kit is complete and Baer's is not. I called Baer and asked them if there are any other parts I will need to complete this project. They said their package is complete. So, what I need to know is, what parts does Andy's package come with, that are needed, that Baer does not supply. Thanks!

CrazyHawaiian

Read through the thread again. Andy mentioned it in one of his posts. I'll just quote it since I'm bored ...

Parrydise7

iTrader: (1)

Yo Crazy...

I saw that part about the hard lines, so I specifically asked the guy at Baer about those. I told him that I had heard that the hard lines had to be replaced. The guy at Baer claims you can use the existing hard lines with some adapters that Baer supplies as part of their kit.

I'm not trying to take sides here, I just want to decide which kit is the best value for the money.

SteveSpohn

There is no way you can use the existing hard lines, been there and done that. Just an FYI.

Steve

PonchoTA

Parrydise7, you can nickel and dime this to death, saving $16 on an initial kit (I think I got that correctly?), but I got one of the very first kits from Andy, and there is no way that you can beat this deal!! He includes EVERYTHING that you need!! Gaskets, fluid, pads, cable hangars, drilling templates, upgraded hoses, and top of the line components. With the Baer kit, you will still need to get more 'stuff' to complete the install, and I would be willing to bet it will be more than $16!!

Included is the CD which practically holds your hand walking you thru the install. I had a couple of additional questions and I was able to call Andy even during a busy weekend. His customer support, quality of materials and expertise were worth WELL over any $16 cut you could make in a package deal.

My $0.02, with personal experience! Hope this helps!

and Andy, thanks!

ebmiller88

iTrader: (7)

Well said Poncho. Baer won't give you all the parts, service, and info that Andy does.

Remember, this thread started about finding backing plates that Baer wants $150 each for. Andy has (had) them for around $70 for the pair.

Ed

Ardels91TA

So which axle is "better", if thats possible to answer? 9 bolt, or 10 bolt? If the 10 bolt is cheaper to rebuild, (and not as rare, making it easier to find parts etc,) is there an advantage to the 9 bolt? Strength, durability, etc? Thanks!

Ardels91TA

My bad. Didn't mean to post in the brakes thread. I'll be leaving now, to go post where I belong. Sorry again!

mark4iroc

Is Andyz28 still in the brake business? I emailed him and have not heard back yet. The only piece I need is the hard line on the axle. Andy carries these lines I think. I am converting my 9 bolt w/ iron calipers to an 89 pbr setup and forgot to get the hard line that mounts to the axle. Can anyone help me? To mount the backing plates to my 9 bolt, how do you get the axles out and back in?- I have never messed with rear ends! Thanks, Mark4iroc

ebmiller88

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If your 9 bolt already has (had) disc brakes, you don't need another set of hard lines for the rear. They are the same on dosc rears.

To get the axles out, unbolt the 4 bolts near the backing plates and pull the axles out. They might stick in there a bit, but they'll come out. These 4 bolts (each side) hold each axle in. Unlike 10 bolt rears, 9 bolt rears have no C clips.

Ed