2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade

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Nov 22, 2012 | 12:09 PM
  #101  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: You are correct about the limit of cars on street tires - you can get only so much braking power out of your tires (fronts mostly) and going to some crazy 6 piston 15" kit is not going to make your car stop faster. This is one reason why I advocate those going to 17" or larger wheels run a 275 front tire (or larger) for more braking power - a 245-45-17 tire offers no more braking than a 245-50-16 sized one...

But as John said, on the track, larger kits do offer some advantages in terms of pads and also thermal radiation. But then you have cost and wheel size considerations to accomodate...
Yea on the track larger kits are a must lmo I've taken a Prius down a canyon and brakes almost caught on fire lol having a little too much fun heat on the track is your enemy

John,
Probably a dumb question but
Does II CTS-V calipers have the heat radiators on the pistons to and are they interchangeable in between calipers ? ZR1 to II CTS-V or even Camaro SS Pistons
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Mar 5, 2013 | 03:44 PM
  #102  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
not anywhere near as nice as yours but i thought id post a few pics of my cts-v swap. only fronts so far
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Mar 6, 2013 | 10:21 AM
  #103  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: not anywhere near as nice as yours but i thought id post a few pics of my cts-v swap. only fronts so far
I don't see any pictures????
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Mar 7, 2013 | 02:47 PM
  #104  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
sorry. the picturs i have wont upload for some reason and i posted that right befor i had to go to work so i didnt have time to delete it
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Mar 7, 2013 | 03:40 PM
  #105  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Man those are some sick brakes i wish i had waited and got the 2nd generation ctsv calipers instead of my c6 z06 calipers i didnt bother reading thru the thread but i was wondering if the ctsv 15 inch rotor would work on a c6 z06 caliper?
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Mar 7, 2013 | 04:15 PM
  #106  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
nope, it's wider...I was wondering the same thing I too have C6Z06 calipers and am lusting for 15" or thereabouts brakes.
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Mar 7, 2013 | 05:36 PM
  #107  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: nope, it's wider...I was wondering the same thing I too have C6Z06 calipers and am lusting for 15" or thereabouts brakes.
I do sell a 15.5" Carbon Ceramic ZR1 kit. Waiting for my first customer.

They will fill a 19" nicely.

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Mar 7, 2013 | 09:04 PM
  #108  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
if i hadnt already spent to much on my brakes i would of bought your zr1 brake kit unless of course you would want to trade brakes? Lol is there a rotor thats bigger then 14inch that would work on c6 z06 caliper?
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Mar 7, 2013 | 09:18 PM
  #109  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
what camera are you using ?
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Mar 8, 2013 | 01:50 AM
  #110  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: if i hadnt already spent to much on my brakes i would of bought your zr1 brake kit unless of course you would want to trade brakes? Lol is there a rotor thats bigger then 14inch that would work on c6 z06 caliper?
No, no trades, haha.

I am not aware of an off the shelf rotor that will work. Its quite possible there is a carbon rotor out there that will work. Other than that, not much larger than 14".
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Mar 8, 2013 | 01:51 AM
  #111  
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Quote: what camera are you using ?
All of the pictures in this thread are taken with a lowly old Nikon D40.
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Mar 8, 2013 | 07:03 PM
  #112  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
D40 is a great camera, especially for beginners.

Outstanding work on the brakes, thanks for sharing with us. Sure beats the "please dont copy" mentality. I look forward to seeing the finished product.
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Mar 8, 2013 | 07:10 PM
  #113  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: D40 is a great camera, especially for beginners.

Outstanding work on the brakes, thanks for sharing with us. Sure beats the "please dont copy" mentality. I look forward to seeing the finished product.
It is a nice camera and has been all over the world with me. And can make some fantastic photos in the right hands. I have since upgraded to a D600 with nice results. I am not a gear snob, D40 has treated me well and remains in the family, even though I "outgrew" it years ago.
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Mar 14, 2013 | 06:56 PM
  #114  
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Damn..Ill I got to say is one day. Beautiful brakes!
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Mar 14, 2013 | 07:32 PM
  #115  
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John,

You know the color code for the blue zr1 Calipers

Looks like a base coat / top coat mettalic blue

or is it just blue anodized ?

Thanks Zach
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Mar 15, 2013 | 12:25 AM
  #116  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: John,

You know the color code for the blue zr1 Calipers

Looks like a base coat / top coat mettalic blue

or is it just blue anodized ?

Thanks Zach
It is not anodized, it looks like a simple paint to me.

I am not aware of the code. I use Mike the Powdercoater for all my brake stuff and he has a color that many claim is a match for the ZR1 color. I have not seen it in person.

John
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Mar 15, 2013 | 12:30 AM
  #117  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: It is not anodized, it looks like a simple paint to me.

I am not aware of the code. I use Mike the Powdercoater for all my brake stuff and he has a color that many claim is a match for the ZR1 color. I have not seen it in person.

John
i think they are painted its hard to tell in pics, got couple of duplicolor sprays im going to try ..

Thanks
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Mar 15, 2013 | 12:34 AM
  #118  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: i think they are painted its hard to tell in pics, got couple of duplicolor sprays im going to try ..

Thanks
Let me know what you find. I can always duplicate your tests and take a side by side photo if it helps.

John
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Mar 15, 2013 | 01:08 AM
  #119  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: Let me know what you find. I can always duplicate your tests and take a side by side photo if it helps.

John

Theres MetalCast Blue and MetalSpeck Blue from duplicolor

Metalcast thinking of trying Metalcast Base Coat "Metallic base coat" and then a Metalcast "Translusent blue coat" that goes on top i have seen just the translusent blue over bare metal that gives a anodized look

MetalSpeck Blue has larger flakes with blue paint mix and i would put a Clearcoat on top

I was also going to try MetalSpeck Blue with MetalCast Blue to see how that would compare and the type of color would come out
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Mar 15, 2013 | 01:52 PM
  #120  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: Theres MetalCast Blue and MetalSpeck Blue from duplicolor

Metalcast thinking of trying Metalcast Base Coat "Metallic base coat" and then a Metalcast "Translusent blue coat" that goes on top i have seen just the translusent blue over bare metal that gives a anodized look

MetalSpeck Blue has larger flakes with blue paint mix and i would put a Clearcoat on top

I was also going to try MetalSpeck Blue with MetalCast Blue to see how that would compare and the type of color would come out
I hate to give out to many secrets, but I have been playing around with getting the anodized look with powder. I think it is coming along.

Right click - view image for a larger version



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Mar 15, 2013 | 02:45 PM
  #121  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: I hate to give out to many secrets, but I have been playing around with getting the anodized look with powder. I think it is coming along.

Right click - view image for a larger version



Very Nice i would love to get brushed wheel centers thats "smoke" tinted /w polished lip but unable to do with one piece cast wheel and with tinted brush aluminum through out engine an car

kinda like what you have done.. looks brushed with tinted color powder coat on top.. it creates a unique effect as compared to just unbrushed metal

i was thinking using that in the engine bay
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Mar 15, 2013 | 03:13 PM
  #122  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: I do sell a 15.5" Carbon Ceramic ZR1 kit. Waiting for my first customer.

They will fill a 19" nicely.

how much would that brake kit cost?
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Mar 15, 2013 | 03:14 PM
  #123  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: Very Nice i would love to get brushed wheel centers thats "smoke" tinted /w polished lip but unable to do with one piece cast wheel and with tinted brush aluminum through out engine an car

kinda like what you have done.. looks brushed with tinted color powder coat on top.. it creates a unique effect as compared to just unbrushed metal

i was thinking using that in the engine bay
You could brush your centers and get the effect you are after. It would be a lot of work though.
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Mar 15, 2013 | 03:15 PM
  #124  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: how much would that brake kit cost?
The ZR1 kit uses the carbon ceramic rotors. These are quite expensive. The front kit is $4600 shipped.

John
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Mar 15, 2013 | 03:19 PM
  #125  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
you got a pm
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Mar 15, 2013 | 04:13 PM
  #126  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: You could brush your centers and get the effect you are after. It would be a lot of work though.
I know
i think it would be worth it in the end
Im highly considering it
Trying to find a cheap project wheel to test out and see how it comes out

also a side question
What brake fluid you used have you tried different ones for comparison ? or there all pretty much the same just different advertising
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Mar 15, 2013 | 05:01 PM
  #127  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: I know
i think it would be worth it in the end
Im highly considering it
Trying to find a cheap project wheel to test out and see how it comes out

also a side question
What brake fluid you used have you tried different ones for comparison ? or there all pretty much the same just different advertising
That sounds like a good plan to me.

I am currently using ATE Super Blue and Type 200. It is the same fluid except for the color, blue vs yellow. I like this as I switch back and forth and know when all the old fluid is out.

The only functional differences between different fluids should be the temperature at which they boil when dry or wet.
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Mar 15, 2013 | 05:57 PM
  #128  
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subscribed.
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Mar 19, 2013 | 03:15 PM
  #129  
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heres those brake pics. i can only get 2 to upload for some reason tho

2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade-img_1370.jpg   2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade-img_1376.jpg  

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Mar 19, 2013 | 05:43 PM
  #130  
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Quote: heres those brake pics. i can only get 2 to upload for some reason tho
try using photo bucket i like the setup tho and color with forgestar
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Mar 19, 2013 | 06:54 PM
  #131  
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those high res. pictures are really nice.
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Mar 19, 2013 | 08:37 PM
  #132  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: heres those brake pics. i can only get 2 to upload for some reason tho
Those brakes with the 18" IROC reps just like on Mr. IROCZ's ride would BE $%@#ERMERGHERD$%#$%
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Mar 19, 2013 | 10:14 PM
  #133  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: Those brakes with the 18" IROC reps just like on Mr. IROCZ's ride would BE $%@#ERMERGHERD$%#$%
So do it.

Although I highly doubt the IROC wheels would clear the calipers, not enough back pad.
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Mar 19, 2013 | 10:25 PM
  #134  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: So do it.

Although I highly doubt the IROC wheels would clear the calipers, not enough back pad.
After your post, realized 19" wheels are necessary.
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Mar 19, 2013 | 10:34 PM
  #135  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: After your post, realized 19" wheels are necessary.
Certain 18" wheels will work.
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Mar 20, 2013 | 02:00 PM
  #136  
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i have 19s but theres alot of extra room so im pretty sure forgestars 18s would fit
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Apr 23, 2013 | 10:58 PM
  #137  
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What's your thoughts on using fully threaded caliper to bracket bolts vs partially threaded 1 bolts lateral strength wise ..also for bracket to spindle ...I know Oem is fully threaded I believe correct or I'm looking to deep in such minor detail .. Your input would be greatly appreciated on it .
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Apr 23, 2013 | 11:58 PM
  #138  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: What's your thoughts on using fully threaded caliper to bracket bolts vs partially threaded 1 bolts lateral strength wise ..also for bracket to spindle ...I know Oem is fully threaded I believe correct or I'm looking to deep in such minor detail .. Your input would be greatly appreciated on it .
In my opinion it is always wise to sweat the details.

Fully threaded is just fine. Once the bolt is torqued, it acts the same as a clamp. It is merely holding the two parts together. The friction between the two parts is what takes the side or shear load. As long as the bolt is torqued properly, it will not see any side load.

John
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Apr 24, 2013 | 01:32 PM
  #139  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: In my opinion it is always wise to sweat the details.

Fully threaded is just fine. Once the bolt is torqued, it acts the same as a clamp. It is merely holding the two parts together. The friction between the two parts is what takes the side or shear load. As long as the bolt is torqued properly, it will not see any side load.

John
Thats good to know its the details that scares me the most when going to bed and having the worst case senario poping in my head !

Another small question in regard of upgrading the proportioning valve spring ?

i hear it improves brake feel and improves bias on stock setup and 2 piston front setup.. But havent heard or seen anything on 4 piston and up and the effects of the upgrade.
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Apr 24, 2013 | 02:41 PM
  #140  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: Thats good to know its the details that scares me the most when going to bed and having the worst case senario poping in my head !

Another small question in regard of upgrading the proportioning valve spring ?

i hear it improves brake feel and improves bias on stock setup and 2 piston front setup.. But havent heard or seen anything on 4 piston and up and the effects of the upgrade.
It really depends which kit you are talking about. Also, every car and every driver is different. In my opinion, it you are going to bother, I would just install an adjustable prop valve.
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Apr 24, 2013 | 03:28 PM
  #141  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: It really depends which kit you are talking about. Also, every car and every driver is different. In my opinion, it you are going to bother, I would just install an adjustable prop valve.
good point !
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May 20, 2013 | 09:30 PM
  #142  
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What have you came up with for spare options for the brakes 4 and 6 piston brembo?
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May 20, 2013 | 09:55 PM
  #143  
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Quote: I got the calipers milled today. I am much happier with the Rev A bracket. Much more meat where it needs it. I still need to find a solution for the lower spindle bolt head clearance and the steering stop.






Can you tell me what the hubs are (shown directly above) on this swap? I am in need of some hubs like that, that will fit the 3rd gen. spindles. I'd love to know what these are in the picture and where they were purchased from, or if they are custom or what.
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May 21, 2013 | 12:41 AM
  #144  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: What have you came up with for spare options for the brakes 4 and 6 piston brembo?
Try a CTS-V spare. No I haven't tried tried to see if it fits in the 3rd gen spare tire area. I didn't carry the spare with the OEM wheels anyway. My spare is a can of fix-a-flat and 200mi AAA.
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May 21, 2013 | 12:42 AM
  #145  
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Quote: Can you tell me what the hubs are (shown directly above) on this swap? I am in need of some hubs like that, that will fit the 3rd gen. spindles. I'd love to know what these are in the picture and where they were purchased from, or if they are custom or what.
Those are just turned down OEM rotors. These were used for test fitment. I recommend Kore3 aluminum hubs for actual installations.
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Jun 9, 2013 | 04:25 PM
  #146  
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Hey, got any spare brackets? I landed some front calipers and still need brackets and rotors Thanks to this post I now have 4 unused C6z06 calipers (2 are brand new fronts) LOL

Bigger is always better
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Jun 10, 2013 | 12:32 AM
  #147  
Re: 2009+ CTS-V brake upgrade
Quote: Hey, got any spare brackets? I landed some front calipers and still need brackets and rotors Thanks to this post I now have 4 unused C6z06 calipers (2 are brand new fronts) LOL

Bigger is always better
Unfortunately, I don't. Due to the necessary caliper clearancing I am really not that interested in selling these. I am looking at using another, even more interesting caliper on these rotors though, that might play a little nicer. Sorry to feed your illness.

John

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Jun 10, 2013 | 04:52 AM
  #148  
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I don't care about grinding on the caliper LOL

I'm not gonna buy ZR1 calipers now LOL
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Jan 21, 2014 | 06:49 PM
  #149  
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@87350iroc, do you still have the mark up of the the front brackets, need actual size copies if possible
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Jan 21, 2014 | 06:57 PM
  #150  
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I was hoping for the same I can not seem to find a steel 15" rotor that is not priced through the roof so the ZL1s will have to do...
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