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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 08:36 PM
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Clutch fan VS electric? 83 T/A project

Hello,

I have a 1983 T/A that came with a 305 4bbl with a belt driven clutch fan.

Im putting in a goodwrench 350 with the stock cam. I picked up a new stock radiator.

Now i am trying to decide what to do about the fan. Should I put the stock clutchfan and shroud back in or should I look in to going to electric? It seems the high output engines came with electric?

What fans are a good fit for our 3rd gens?

My car is a non-AC car. 700r4
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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Car: '82 z28
Engine: L83 5.7
Transmission: 700r4-1985
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Re: Clutch fan VS electric? 83 T/A project

i'd keep the clutch fan,moves more air than an electric
and ventilates heat out of the engine compartment
better while the clutch will freewheel at high rpm,so
won't use much HP. The H.O. cars had some problems
with heat buildup under the hood with the electric fan.
However,especially with no A/C probably could get
good results with a decent electric fan setup,just get a
good one,wire it properly and it should do the job and
be reliable-my top 2 choices for electric fans if i was to
use electric in my car is the H/D fan found in some
'84-86 4cyl fieros and '86-87 buick grand nationals
-same fan in both apps-or the fan from '82-87 GM
front drive cars with transverse 4.3L diesel(citation,
pontiac 6000 etc) both of these use the same motor
and draw quite a bit of startup current-in factory apps
these use a 2-stage relay so that fan starts gentle
then kicks up to high once up to speed. 1990-95 3.8L
taurus has a 2speed fan with almost as much power
as the 2 GM fans i described.Aftermarket fans could
be used too,but i have found salvaged ones to
outperform most aftermarket
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 05:42 PM
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Re: Clutch fan VS electric? 83 T/A project

Originally Posted by 8t2 z-chev
i'd keep the clutch fan,moves more air than an electric
and ventilates heat out of the engine compartment
better while the clutch will freewheel at high rpm,so
won't use much HP. The H.O. cars had some problems
with heat buildup under the hood with the electric fan.
However,especially with no A/C probably could get
good results with a decent electric fan setup,just get a
good one,wire it properly and it should do the job and
be reliable-my top 2 choices for electric fans if i was to
use electric in my car is the H/D fan found in some
'84-86 4cyl fieros and '86-87 buick grand nationals
-same fan in both apps-or the fan from '82-87 GM
front drive cars with transverse 4.3L diesel(citation,
pontiac 6000 etc) both of these use the same motor
and draw quite a bit of startup current-in factory apps
these use a 2-stage relay so that fan starts gentle
then kicks up to high once up to speed. 1990-95 3.8L
taurus has a 2speed fan with almost as much power
as the 2 GM fans i described.Aftermarket fans could
be used too,but i have found salvaged ones to
outperform most aftermarket
Well I got a big HD fan off a T-type regal. And now that im looking at it is a 2 stage setup so i need go get the plug and relay off the car and hopefully be able to use this. It has a big resistor on one of the wires.
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Old Mar 9, 2010 | 12:37 AM
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Car: '82 z28
Engine: L83 5.7
Transmission: 700r4-1985
Axle/Gears: 3.42 posi
Re: Clutch fan VS electric? 83 T/A project

Looking at a 4.3 diesel fan in my parts stash,it has 3
wires going to it;one is ground,2nd goes straight to the
motor +,3rd goes to resistor that has thermostatic
switch across it,other end of resistor goes to motor +
Looks like to reduce the startup current surge,power
goes through resistor initially,then as thermostat is
heated by hot air blowing back from the fan,it closes
bypassing the resistor and bringing the fan to full speed
The fiero/86-87 t-type fan in my stash appears to have
had the same arrangement,but resistor and thermostat
have been removed,so can't say for sure.
would be good to get the relays and other fan-related
parts off that T-type to adapt to the T/A-would the
buick radiator support plate fit the T/A?
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Old Mar 9, 2010 | 12:46 AM
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Car: 86' Z28
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 (for now)
Re: Clutch fan VS electric? 83 T/A project

I've heard the dual fans off of ford Taurus's are pretty popular, i'm using a set off of a ford Contour(same fans i think) i payed like 30 bucks at the JY and they were defiantly worth it just my .
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Old Mar 9, 2010 | 07:05 AM
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Engine: goodwrench 350
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Re: Clutch fan VS electric? 83 T/A project

Originally Posted by 8t2 z-chev
Looking at a 4.3 diesel fan in my parts stash,it has 3
wires going to it;one is ground,2nd goes straight to the
motor +,3rd goes to resistor that has thermostatic
switch across it,other end of resistor goes to motor +
Looks like to reduce the startup current surge,power
goes through resistor initially,then as thermostat is
heated by hot air blowing back from the fan,it closes
bypassing the resistor and bringing the fan to full speed
The fiero/86-87 t-type fan in my stash appears to have
had the same arrangement,but resistor and thermostat
have been removed,so can't say for sure.
would be good to get the relays and other fan-related
parts off that T-type to adapt to the T/A-would the
buick radiator support plate fit the T/A?

I don't think so. I had to reconstruct my whole lower radiator support do to a leaky rad rotting it out. So the stock mounting holes and stuff are gone anyways..

The fan has bolt holes on the top and bottom so i should be able to come up with something..
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Old Mar 9, 2010 | 09:26 AM
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Car: 89 Firebird
Engine: L98
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: Clutch fan VS electric? 83 T/A project

I have a stock fan out of a V6 and it works real well. I also have a 12inch after market pusher. I plan to add another 14 inch pusher fan.
The stock 21'' inch stock fan is plenty of fan to cool my 5L, its a huge fan and with the upper and lower mounts it bolts right in. The 12 inch pusher is only good for low speed driving when I just don't have quite enough air it makes up the difference.
The reason I want to add the 14 pusher plan is so if the main 21'' fan goes out (its used and I don't know how old it is) I should be able to flip on the 12+14 combo and keep going like normal with out having to turn on the heat.
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