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Old May 21, 2001 | 08:15 PM
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Locking BLM's at 128....

Isn't that like cheating?? IE; forcing the ECM to run the injectors at specific pulse width regardless of load. I realize that 128/128 is the goal, but if you lock the BLM at 128, aren't you preventing that parameter from making the adjustment to the injector pulse width??!! I believe the BLM is used for major adjustments, and the integrator for finer changes. Seems like you would want the BLMs to be fine tuned first, then work on the integrator??

I just got the ability to set the BLM min/max limits via TC's new TDF. The defaults were 108 and 160. I set mine to 110 and 140, just to start with. I have been working on the MAF tables to bring the BLM numbers close to 128. I think the tables should be tuned up first, before locking the BLMs to 128. That way your MAF will be calibrated correctly. I am not sure how the integrator changes with airflow. It seems impossible to get the MAF numbers perfect!!

IE, what to do when you have different BLM numbers at the same airflow? I think a realistic goal would be to have the BLM vary from 126-130, throughout all loads/rpms/airflow/etc. That is kind of what I am shooting for, but I can allways make a tweak here or there, since there is no limit to the number of chips I can burn. Just takes some serious time!!!

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Old May 22, 2001 | 06:58 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MikeT 88IROC350:
Isn't that like cheating??

Nope, it's just how some guys like to do it. Just another tool

I realize that 128/128 is the goal,

not alwaus

but if you lock the BLM at 128, aren't you preventing that parameter from making the adjustment to the injector pulse width??!!

Yep, but your then not trying to work against the changes it making wich can bet confusing at times

I believe the BLM is used for major adjustments, and the integrator for finer changes.

Yep. also BL is long term.

Seems like you would want the BLMs to be fine tuned first, then work on the integrator??

As you get close they both fall into place

I just got the ability to set the BLM min/max limits via TC's new TDF. The defaults were 108 and 160. I set mine to 110 and 140, just to start with. I have been working on the MAF tables to bring the BLM numbers close to 128. I think the tables should be tuned up first, before locking the BLMs to 128.

I think a BBQ should be started with paper not starting fluid, again just different ways of doing the same thing

That way your MAF will be calibrated correctly. I am not sure how the integrator changes with airflow. It seems impossible to get the MAF numbers perfect!!

And why not?. Just takes time.

IE, what to do when you have different BLM numbers at the same airflow?

That's normal, as a function of load.

I think a realistic goal would be to have the BLM vary from 126-130, throughout all loads/rpms/airflow/etc.

Nice if you want to spend the time, but not always will there be a real gain in what your trying to do.

That is kind of what I am shooting for, but I can allways make a tweak here or there, since there is no limit to the number of chips I can burn. Just takes some serious time!!!

After the first couple hunfref, you'll get a better grasp of whats going on, and then things will make sense but from another view, and ya get to start over again, but the car will be nicer to drive as you go along

Thanks for any discussion.

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Old May 22, 2001 | 09:46 AM
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Grumpy is right. Locking the BLM Max/Min is for "fine" tuning after you have made changes to get it witin +/- 10 on the BLM.

If you BLM is too far out (ie, very close to 108 or 160), then you will trigger an O2 SES code (rich or lean as the case may be).

Also, I have noticed that after a lot of testing and getting almost all of my values very close to 128/128 (there are limitations just due to the precision of using a 255 byte field), I still find that my BLM may change dramatically when I "open up" my BLM values again. This is generally after I just turn on the engine and after a few minutes of driving it stablizes very close to 128.

Lastly, Grumpy is very correct about constantly making changes. My eprom has been very close for a long time. Most guys would have called it quits a long time ago.

But, I am constantly looking for new things to play with, along with seeing if there is something else that can be tweaked. Right now, I am increasing the accuracy of my MAT Inverse Look Up Table now that the weather is warming up. I began at -20*C and I am constantly modifying it as we get closer to hotter summer weather. Its all in the quest of better knowledge and finding something new to play with.
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Old May 22, 2001 | 06:31 PM
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Thanks for your opinions, fellas. I always like to hear what others have to say abo9ut my ideas, since I still think I am an amateur at car tuning.

With my latest chip, my BLMs are running in the range of 124-134, which isn't too bad considering what you said above. I am going to do some more tweaking to the MAF tables and try another chip tonight. I have never gotten any O2 codes with my car. When I started, the BLMS were low, 108-115. I raised the injector constant to 24, and that brought them up quite a bit. Now focusing on the MAF tables.

I suppose I will slow down on the tables, once I get the BLMs a little better, then maybe lock the min/max BLM constant to 128, and see what happens.
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Old May 22, 2001 | 09:58 PM
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With BLM values that you are currently getting, you should not encounter any problems with getting O2 rich/lean SES codes if you set the BLM Max/Min to 128/128.

In fact, the "finer" INT setting will help you dial it in better. Just remember that 5 INTs = 1 BLM. So you need to make smaller adjustments to make a change to 1 INT.
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