You get my 2nd email Eric?

I did get the email and I have replied.

Can you reply to my pm to about the shipping?

Stinger32, PM sent.

Just a suggestion to help... You should edit your post to reflect this.. Many probably look at the picture you have with a used TB bolted to it in the first post and figure its used..

By looking at your first post...You would either have to be Carnac the great..




Or scroll near the bottom to find out that its new.. and a few posts farther to find out that this means its never had fuel run through it..

Again.. just trying to help...

Chickenhawk, thanks for the advice and the help.

Your welcome! And a bump for you!

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Bump back to the top to keep it fresh

Bump back up.

if you are getting a tax return here are some good things to spend it on.

Hey in case no one has noticed there is Vig torque converter for sale...get some of that hot pink madness for your F Body.

The headers are pending sale....

The Headers and Y pipe are sold.

2,478 views....c'mon folks, there is still some really good stuff here.

Eric, the headers has arrived in florida today.

Mini Ram and Vig Torque Converter still available

bump to keep it fresh.

I really want that miniram, but like everyone else I dont have the current funds.

Bump for ya.

Thanks for the bump

There are still some other parts available.

3600rpm Vig Torque Converter still available

I bought the Hawks headers with matching Y-pipe from Eric that wasnt matching at all.
The thread said. "Hawks Thirdgen 1-3/4" Long Tube Headers with 2-1/2" collector and 3" Y pipe $850 (never been used). This includes the Y pipe and associated hardware. There is a dimple in the #3 tube to provide clearance for the spark plug. These headers normally run $1049 before shipping."

When I opened the box I noticed that I got a headers with 3" collector and 2.5" intermediate pipe and it is very hard to install a 2.5" intermediate pipe to a 3" collector. When I mention that to Eric and even showed him pictures of it he said that I must have the intermediate pipes backwards and after that he told me that The clamps should be sufficient to close things up??? close up a 1/2inch with a clamp?
He also wrote "There is a dimple in the #3 tube to provide clearance for the spark plug"
First, the dimple was on the #1 tube not the #3 and it wasnt a little dimple, half the pipe was smashed. Here are pictures of the "dimple" http://cid-7a06729d03062ecf.skydrive...e.aspx/exhaust

Before I bought them I asked:
Is it hard to change spark plugs without remove the headers? are the fitting good? do I have to change anything to make them fit?

He answered:
Since the headers were never on a running motor I never had the opportunity to change the plugs however those i know that have the same headers have stated that they did not need to loosen or remove either header to get the plugs out...be aware that all the people I have talked with had angle plug heads. if you dont have that type you may need to loosen one or both the headers.

And when I asked if he had to smash the pipe to half he answered:
The dimple was needed because even with the shortest plug available there still was not enough room to get the spark plug boot onto the spark plug. Even putting the plug boot on the plug first made it impossible to get the headers to bolt up completely. Hmmm ok.

Bruce at Hawks had another opinion.
Hi,
These headers will fit angle or straight plug heads the straight plug offers better clearance, I have some guys with angle tell me they had to get a SHORTER plug to gain extra clearance. Let me know if I can help you further.
Thanks,
Bruce Hawkins
www.hawksthirdgenparts.com
864-855-2694

I really tried to make things right, I told him that the headers didnt fit and he told me that he didnt have any support if I had something to say I should contact Hawks. I tried to say that I had not bought these from Hawks, I bought them from him and he would fix it and then clear it with Hawks, but nono he wouldent. Finally I told him that we had 3 choices:
1. I'll send the headers and y-pipe back to you and you'll pay me back my money and expensives for shipping US-->SWE-->US
2. I'll send back the Y-pipe to you and you send me a Y-pipe that fits the headers and same here you pay for shipping.
3. I take the Y-Pipe to a welder so he can weld on a stainless step-up pipe from 2.5"-->3" on the intermediate pipes so they fit to the collector. And this is going to cost minimum $100 that I would like you to refund to me. You can use paypal.

If I had sold anything like that I would have choosed nr3 ofcourse. But nono

He answered:
As for the choices there are only two. 1) You use the parts and either contact Hawks for tech support or you dont. 2) Take the exhaust system to a welder and have them do whatever you want at your cost.

I will not be taking anything back. There will be no refunds from me. All sales are final.

I have bought many thing from many forums I have never experience a more dishonest person ever. If things are not as they should be you fix it. I'v always do that. But to extend it further and say:
"I mocked up the entire system on my car and everything fit fine." Yea right, look at this film and say that it would fit fine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INigj27JucQ
I would not recommend this seller ever.
And for your comment.
"As far as obligations to sell the right things, I sold you everything I advertised."
No you did not, you advertised 2-1/2 collector and I got 3" collector which means that the intermediate pipe dont fit. Try to understand that.

Jimmie this really should be in a different forum but since you put it here make sure you tell everyone that you got a $1049 set of headers, y pipe, intermediate pipes, and hardware for $850 plus $35 shipping. I even helped you with the shipping to Sweden by making sure that the headers were not valued for more than $200 to save you on the import duties you were going to pay.

As I told you in a PM I sold you exactly what I got from Hawks. If you are not happy with the way the clamp system works you are more than welcome to do what many others do when they put long tube headers on their car....you can have them welded at your cost.

Good luck with the car and thanks for the bump.

Nono Eric.
You said, I sold you everything I advertised. But you did not. The thread says Hawks Thirdgen 1-3/4" Long Tube Headers with 2-1/2" collector and 3" Y pipe.
1. The collector is not 2-1/2 its 3" and because of that the y-Pipe doesnt fit. That would have given me the rights to return them to you or to have them fixed on you expenses.
2. You also said "I mocked up the entire system on my car and everything fit fine." Did you have to lie also? Look at the film and tell me that this system fit.

is the mini ram still available? can you send pics to xskwash@aol.com? thanks!

solaris_vii the mini ram is still available. Pics are on the way.

Sorry about your luck Stinger. You have every right to be upset.

I normally would never get in the middle of anything like this, but was very close to buying these headers from Eric so I guess it hits home a little to me. The deciding factor for me was the price wasn't low enough to justify the risk of getting screwed...huh

Eric, your description was misleading and deceptive. You should make it right with Stinger.

And your price isn't that low for a 2nd hand part, esp. one that has been damaged and doesn't fit.

Edit to add:
Anyone else wanting to buy other parts from this guy, I wouldn't, if for no reason other than principle. The prices aren't so low and the parts aren't so rare that you have to get them here.

BigMods please tell me how the description was misleading? Especially considering that I pulled the description from Hawks website as that is what I bought from Hawks....so are you saying that Hawks' description is misleading?

As far as the fit... I had no issues other than having to dimple one tube due to the different angle of the Dart Pro 1 spark plug holes. As for Jimmie, maybe its just his inexperience with cars in general as evidenced by his many other posts that show him having issues with even coming up with a properly tuned motor.

As far a your little bit of advice as to everyone else to not buy from me on principle I would expect that from someone suffering from sour grapes such as you but maybe you should ask all the people who have bought from me in the past buying items such as fully assembled Dart Pro 1 heads, roller rockers, 355 small block, built 700R4 with shift kit, fuel injectors, Super Ram intake, etc. No complaints about deceptive descriptions.

The only issue here is that Jimmie (stinger32) who hounded me for a couple of months about the headers and about the cost of getting them into Sweden is just a whiny little baby. I took the chance by only declaring and insuring their value to be $200 to try to help him with the taxes he was going to pay getting them into Sweden. According to him he had to have these. So I worked with him on the shipping.

SO what if he did get a set of headers with a 3" collector most of the guys here would be ecstatic because they would be that much closer to true full 3" system. So please dont get on your soap box with me.

As for all the other members, if you are going to let one whiny little baby and his peanut gallery keep you from buying from me then so be it.

Jimmie in case you didnt notice the Y pipe does not directly connect to the header collectors it connects to the intermediate pipes that run along the transmission....you would know this if you actually looked at the pictures on Hawks website.

Oh and BigMods, thanks for the free bump.

I was on the fence, about the miniram. however, after seeing the poor eitiquette shown by the seller, I will continue looking for a miniram elsewhere. I will also give a fee bump for ya, just so you can find that 17 year old kid, with daddy's deep pockets. I know any true gearhead, would not buy from you, with your horrible attitude towards others.

Again, this is not the right forum to be posting this mess.

The correct forum for complaints is the Classified Ads Feedback Board; so lltrevino when you have a few minutes in your busy day maybe you would care to elaborate to everyone just how my attitude has been horrible....in case you hadnt noticed Im the one being attacked for what appears to be a simple oversight after having gone out of my way to try to save someone some serious money on import duties (several hundred dollars to be exact)... I trusted that Hawks sent me headers with a 2.5" collector but it seems they appeared to have sent me headers with a 3" collector...so forgive me for not whipping out my ruler and checking the dimensions as soon as the box arrived. I said it before most of the other people on this board would have been thrilled to find out that they actually got headers with a 3" collector.

So if you, stinger32, BigMods or anyone else feels so compelled to add their please do so in the correct forum.


For everyone else, all items that havent sold are still available.

No, this is the correct forum and this is the correct post for this mess. This is your post where you made the dishonest sale. This is the post where you have other stuff for sale and other buyer should know what you did here.


If you sent me headers that I paid $850 + shipping halfway around the world that had a dent like that in them I would be extremely pissed off. Plus the misleading 3 / 2.5" fit-up issue. You were pretty crafty in your discription of what you were selling there.

Big Mods I will comment on your post in the Classified Feedback Forum which is the proper forum for complaints.

No, I still think this is still a better place. Nobody reads that other forumn.

Other potential buyers can see your dishonesty here.

what's the milage on the starter?

I agree.

I see 2 scenarios here:

A. He didn't know that the pipes wouldn't fit before hand and didn't find out till the Stinger tried. In that case a good seller would say, "my bad, I'm sorry, here's $100 to pay someone to fix them".

B. He knew the pipes wouldn't fit beforehand. In that case the description should have said "yeah I have both, but they don't fit together" but it didn't. In this case in he knowingly sold something that he knew wouldn't work and that is dishonest.

Erummel, to clear your reputation you can refund Stinger $100 like he asked.

Give the guy the $100 dollars to get them fixed.

BIG_MODS--> If I ever buy anything from this forum again I hope it will be from you, because we an mutual sense on how to do business.
Steve Mack--> He wont because he dont think that he did anything wrong. I guess Its ok to advertise one thing and then sell something that doesnt fit. If the customer isnt happy with the buy just tell him that you do not have any support and he must contact the manufactor if he has any complaints. And dont forget to finish of with "Please do not contact me anymore about this."

...and just in case others choose to not go to the classified feedback forum to see everything here is the reply I posted there for stinger and company...


stinger of course the Y pipe wont fit directly to headers the spacing is too great (thus the need for intermediate pipes) however it can still be used. You knew from our conversations that I was not going to only sell just the headers or just the headers and Y pipe. I was selling everything: headers, intermediate pipes, Y pipe, clamps, and grade 8 header bolts. You even questioned why you should pay $51 more for the intermediate pipes when you were not going to use them (the $51 being the difference between just buying the headers from Hawks or buying from me). I told you that its all or nothing and apparently you thought it was a good deal overall because you knew it would cost you much more to buy from Hawks than from me.

You also knew you were going to have to take the car to a welder because as you said you couldnt weld stainless. Even though you knew there were clamps in the package you were most likely going to get the system welded anyway because you stated you were getting a custom exhaust done...that means welding and you and everyone else who has had an opinion knows it.

As far as you and berlinetta and big mods going on about me being deceptive you know that is not the case. I took the exact description from Hawks website for the product I bought from them. There is no deception on Hawks website (and none of you have stated there is) and there was no deception from me. There was and is no problem with the transaction. You got headers with a 3" collector (a plus for you), you got the Y pipe you needed, and you were going to get some custom work done anyway because you clearly stated it to me in a PM.

As for the dimple, I believe that I am not the only person who has had to do this as evidenced by this post: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...-straight.html

In regards to the statement of 'its the sellers responsibility to correct any problems or issues with the transaction' there is nothing to correct as there was no problem. stinger knew what he was getting; in fact he got more because he ended up with headers with a 3" collector instead of a 2 1/2" collector.

Ok I'll post here to then.

It can be used after some work yes if you se what I mean
http://cid-7a06729d03062ecf.skydrive...vgas%20002.jpg
Do I have to explain this again, If I could buy only the headers from you, yes then I would build a y-pipe out of regular pipes not stainless. But when you only sold them together with y-pipe then I thought I use them instead because I paid for them but I cant use them anyway because it is an half inch to small. So I must have them fixed. I did not have to take the car to a welder when I thought that I bought a bolton kit.

"I took the exact description from Hawks website for the product "
I understand that but why did you have to lie and tell me that you had tried it on your car and that it fitted fine? Please tell me how you got these together without a leak.
http://cid-7a06729d03062ecf.skydrive...9D03062ECF!339

"In regards to the statement of 'its the sellers responsibility to correct any problems or issues with the transaction' there is nothing to correct as there was no problem. stinger knew what he was getting; in fact he got more because he ended up with headers with a 3" collector instead of a 2 1/2" collector."

I wont even comment this statement, Its self explaining and you are only making a complete fool out of yourself.

As for the dimple I cant say anything about it infact that was the only thruth in the add.

Can we end this discussion now?

I didnt lie... I told you that I mocked up the system on the car and everything seemed fine. Mocking up does not mean completely installing and tightening down the clamps. If I had tightened the clamps all the way down you would see evidence of that on the headers and pipes at the connection points.

I cant tell you how I got them together without a leak because as I said I never tightened the clamps down all the way and I never ran the motor to look for leaks. Had I actually ran the motor you would see that I had on the headers...they would have been discolored a bit from the heat.

The mock up was just to see how things would fit and how things would route. Thats what mock up means.

I would like to end this discussion but as long as you and others feel compelled to not let it go I will continue to defend myself.


And something that you might want to look into; supersquirrel made a post about buying the headers like I did and guess what? He too received headers with a 3"collector instead of the 2 1/2" collector as stated on Hawks website. Maybe you and everyone else should ask him about it.

Good luck with the car.

And you didnt noticed that their was some problems with the fitment? I took me 5 minutes after I got them to discover that something was wrong.

"supersquirrel made a post about buying the headers like I did and guess what? He too received headers with a 3"collector instead of the 2 1/2" collector as stated on Hawks website. Maybe you and everyone else should ask him about it."

How can this become my problem? as I told you before, I did not buy these from Hawks, I bought them from you that means you fix my problem and then claim Haws on whatever you want. You have to take responsability and check that the things you sell are right. Its up to you to check that you recieve the right things. You cant make it my job to correct were you failed.

no actually I didnt considering it was well after midnight and I was tired when I did mock up the system.

The reality of this is that there is nothing to fix. You got what I got. Had I not sold these to you and ended up using them myself I would have had to live with the problem...in fact I wouldnt have complained to Hawks because they sent me the wrong headers (and neither would you) I would have worked a deal with the welder to either use my existing intermediate pipes and have them opened up, make a joint to allow the use of the 2.5" pipes, or see if they would take them and give me a credit towards full 3" pipes which they have lots of raw stock on hand.

This websites parts for sale forum is just like a swap meet, flea market, car show where individuals sell stuff they have. INDIVIDUALS not business..were I selling stuff as a business then I would want to get those 3" collector headers back from you because I would have lost money on that mistake and Im pretty sure you wouldnt be so inclined to want to return them because hey it was my mistake and hence my loss.

As I mentioned before you got a great deal; had you bought the headers only from hawks for $799 you still would have paid for shipping and taxes coming Sweden (and you know Hawks would not have declared less than the $799 value) and you still would have had to pay to have intermediate pipes and a Y pipe made. All of that would have cost you more that what you have paid by buying from me.

It comes down to this. Your issue with the dimple is moot because apparently Im not the only one to have this problem. The 3" vs 2 1/2" issue, again is moot because its happened to others as well. The price was more than fair especially as I did for you what no business would ever do and under declared the value on the package to save you yet more money.

You say you want this to end so end it and get busy working on your car.

You must be blind then I can see the difference between 2.5" and 3" just to look at them.
Here is the big problem you think its ok for me to have a system that doesnt fit just because you got them in this way. Let me tell you again I bought a system that doesnt fit together and with a big dimple and paid $850 just $200 less than a completly new cost. At first you stated that you have not sold anything else than what you advertised and when I proved you wrong, you turn and state that I got more than I buyed and in reallity I should thank you for it. The fact is that this is is going to cost me $100-$200 to fix and then I paid for it used what it cost new if I buy it at Hawks. Is that a good deal? And I dont care if you got them this way. And we also had a couple of people that think you did not handle this right and do you listen? no you dont. You think I got more than I deserve but what if I dont think that and I maby dont want to have the trouble to take this to the welder and fix it.

I was not satisfied with this deal and I gave you 3 choices to fix it.

1. I'll send the headers and y-pipe back to you and you'll pay me back my money and expensives for shipping US-->SWE-->US
2. I'll send back the Y-pipe to you and you send me a Y-pipe that fits the headers and same here you pay for shipping.
3. I take the Y-Pipe to a welder so he can weld on a stainless step-up pipe from 2.5"-->3" on the intermediate pipes so they fit to the collector. And this is going to cost minimum $100 that I would like you to refund to me. You can use paypal.

nr 1 and 2 I have the right to do because they wasnt as the one you avertised and if you loose money how can that be my problem? If you had checked before what you sold we had not had this discussion. I was pretty shure you should choose nr3 because that what I had done if I were you no question about it. Right after the first mail I had said damn I didnt know and I'm very sorry about this and ofcourse I pay you $100 to fix them. You know regular honest people do that but not you. You gave me 2 choices back.
1) You use the parts and either contact Hawks for tech support or you dont.
2) Take the exhaust system to a welder and have them do whatever you want at your cost.

How can you say that a used system that doesnt match together and also have a big dimple for $850 is a good deal when a new system without faults cost only $200 more. And you can be shure that if Hawks would have sended me a system that wouldent fit together they would fix it without any cost. or they have refunded the $100 to have them fixed locally. If I had not bought them maby some in US would have. Do you think it whould have been good deal anyway or is it just because I didnt have to pay tax in sweden for them? $200 lower "used" than new is ok as long as they are free from faults and fit together. But if they are blemish and needs a lot of work to fit how can you say its a good deal? maby for you they are but not for me.

IAnd you think its ok just to pass the problem just because your not the only one that had this problem? you dont have any obligation at all? Why not add to your thread "I have no support at all it the things you recieve are not near what I write in the add" Because that is what you mean. I must say I'v never came across a more dishonest person than you. First you accused me that I couldent install it right and that you'v only sold what you had avertised. So it would fit because you had it mocked up on your car and it fitted fine. . When I tried to say that something is wrong with it you backed off and said you had no support I should contact Hawks. And then when I proved that it was not as you advertised I got more and should be satisfied?
I must ask you Eric how much faults must there be in a product before you will refund? I guess you never do.

You say you want this to end so end it and get busy working on your car.[/quote]