anyone ever thought about or seen a firebird with motorless head lights??

like maybe camaro headlights in the place of the flip up kind on a bird?? i know i would need a different hood and i have a Big Block hood for the same year Maro as my bird...

any ideas??

anyone think it can be done..i know that the bird has less room between bumber and top.. but is there a small set of lights that would work in all conditions of driving without motors lol i have burned up to many motors and hate driving with one or both up and no lights on

thanks guys

 

if you do it i think its going to look like a camaro sort of but ugly...LOL....the motors for the lights arent that expensive or hard to change why you wanting to do this ?? something different i guess ?

 

lol well thats why i am postin on sites to get peoples Opinion lol i have replaced the motors 5 or 6 times and they always burn out... and i know my car has some wiring issuses but everyone i know with third gens have motors blow.. just frustrating.. it may never happen just thinkin of more projects while she is down for new motor

thank you for your opinion... mines a GTA 88 btw and it may look ugly ... i need to get my buddy with photo shop to do some work for me and see

thanks general

LA

 

yeah see if you can get someone to photo shop it for ya and post it i could be totally off on my assumption of what it would look like...id like to see a drawing or likeness of it like this ...

 

It can't be done!!

lol

 

i dont think it can without modifying the front nose to accept something

 

Do a search, "fixed 'bird headlights" or "fixed headlights" you'll see my setup in there using the stock headlights. The setup works good, looks are okay for now IMO. The pic's were taken before I painted the car black, the headlights blend better now. If you wanna copy my idea or something similar I suggest using lexan vs. the plexiglass I used, I've already cracked one of the covers when I was working on the car my @$$ broke it, literally. I plan to switch to different headlights off a '04 sunfire or similar (not the 98-03 style). This will require some cutting and mods to the hood. I just got sick of relays/motors/fried wires and ditching the brackets and motors is worth a little bit of weight savings.

 

I've never had the headlight motor trouble on my car but to keep it that way I considered switching to the composit not glass bulbs that are not sealed, a small bulb go's in from the back and when you replace a burnt bulb you don't have to worry about takeing out a big bulky light just a small one and the fact that there a composit and not glass they'll weigh less and your headlight motor doesn't have to work as hard to raise them so the motors should last longer.

 

thank you all very much i will try and find your site to check it out...


just some ideas cause yeah if you knew me you would know i have the worst of luck.. i figure if i can keep it from catchin fire again i will be good lol

LA

 

Why not take advantage of the (EGAD!!!) import market? They make a conversion for rx7's that does away with pop up lights. They look like the lights on the 24 hour Corvettes. I figure you can use something like 3000gt/stealth lights. You'd have to make the bucket and a plexiglass cover, but i belive it could be done and look pretty good. Just another idea.

 

im plannin on finding the lights that fit best and cover them in smoked glass... set them a little bit farther back from RAIF's ? setup and cover them in smoked plexi

LA

 

Here's the rundown, check out breathlessperformace.com and look in the Corvette section, they offer the Lemans style headlight systems for C4 abd C5 Corvettes, yes, it's on the expensive side, but it think it could be done :rockon:
If anyone would like to discuss this topic further, just drop me line. I'm probably gonna start some sort of sketches/diagrams of my plan, it might take some time to post, untill then I'll just describe them as best as possible.

Oh yeah, they also offer the same kit for 4th gen Firebirds/TAs, and those of you who have are 4th gen are lucky, it's just a bolt-on, us 3rd genners have to custom fabricate parts to work. I personally blame a the small aftermarket on older cars (body and apperance wise, that is).

SLAYER! \m/

Or I'm just going crazy

 

Here's some pics. 4th gen TA conversion

 

And the full C4 Lemans style with the center fog/driving lights

 

Those look pretty boss on the C4 and TA.

The problem with doing it for a third gen Firebird is the turn signal light is to the center of the flip up lights. So you would have to think how you want to blend that to get that nice flat look on the C6.

From my *limited* fabriaction knowledge, another thing to think of is that there is a slight curve in the hood to match... otherwise you could cut a piece of acrylic and mount it in front of a box and some projector lights. But you could heat the acylic up in the oven and use the hood (with something on top of it, dont want to ruin the paint) as a jig and let it re solidify.

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If you were making this... where would you source the projector lights? Company? Scrap yards? Beam direction adjustability would also be another issue.

 

Well, the first thing to do would be to flush the nosepice like a 91 or 92 bird (82-90 models), then just fab up some brackets to install the C4 turn signal/foglights or just buy something that would suit your tastes an install it in the bumber a 'la 91-92 or late 4th gen firebird/TA.

 

The flush bumper idea is actually a concept made by 85VortecTA. You'd are able to find it in another topic in the fabrication forum.

 

There were pics of a 3rdgen T/A with this style lights on the old TGO before the remodel a few years ago. I wish I had kept the pics, it really looked sweet.

 

Are you talking about this one ?
http://www.geocities.com/jptaylor2/FIREBIRD.html
(probably not though..)

 

i just dont care for the look of that one they need to fabricate the hood to come up to the front like the center or atleast within an inch or so ......but that would probably defeat the purpose of doing this .......

 

Damn you're good! Yup, I've been looking for those forever. Everytime someone brings up the Firbird headlight mod I wanna post those pics! They don't look as good as I remember, but with a little refinement...

 

I've done quite a bit of research into the matter... As far as I can tell, there are no legal replacements for our headlights that will fit into the 2-inch space we have to work with.
This might vary greatly from state to state, YMMV, etc... I'm only assuming that it's a federal thing.
On the other hand, American Products Company might have something, but again, I dunno how legal it is (http://www.4apc.net/home.htm).

Anyways, my ambitious plans for my Zam was to install four axillary lights in place of the headlights, keep the “eyelids” and weld them into the hood.
California Vehicle Code had other plans, however, (no more than two of each type of light, no more than four lit at a time) and I ended up fixing my assembly and frame, (spending a whopping $0.00 in the process) picked up a new set of sealed-beam lights, and apparently fixed my motors correctly last time around. They have been working flawlessly for 4 years now.

What was the point of this post? Oh yeah, I'm still working on a “conversion kit” for our headlights.

When I make any significant progress, I will post schematics, blue prints, directions, parts list, whatever, to the site...

cheers!
:rockon:

 

There was just a thread about half way down the page on this forum about my headlight conversion posted by 85Tavortec. It is really simple, really cheap, and MUCH better than stock. No more wondering if the stupid lights will popup, not to mention its about 30 pounds lighter total.

 

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HAHAHAHA, does the owner also wear glasses?

 

Plexiglass, it cracks too easily and it's harder to work with. I think you'd be better off trying lexan. If I was going to keep mine the way it is I'd use lexan. The plexiglass would work if it was 1/4" thick I suppose, it's still hard to cut and drill. Most autoglass places can get lexan and it's not very expensive for the amount you'd need to make headlight covers.

 

Another idea to toss out. I see HID projectors for sale on eBay all the time. I wanted to get four of the bi-xenon (hi and low beam pattern) ones and mount two on each side with a body colord cover over everything but the lenses. I've seen some rx7's like this and I think it'd look good on only the 91-92s because they're slightly more curvacious...

 

if they EVER made rx-7 type eclosed headlight replacements i'll be on them like white on ****.

 

Well it'd be awhile for some to be mass produced; why not make your own? Take out one headlight for awhile and experiement with placement of the bulb, bracketry, etc... As soon as I get some extra cash I'll be picking up a set of the projector lenses.

 

i like the looks of this one VERY much... can you give me any insight on how you did it and ball park cost and maybes some drawings lol VERY NICE and thanks for the help

LA

 

need i say more.

 

The Alpha and Omega.

give me a hood like this and headlamps and my life will be complete

 

Well, it's been a while and I have more ideas. The headlight style of the mid 90s Pontiac grand prix (the narrow ones, not to be confused with the sedan lights), or dare I say it, a geo or isuzu Impulse? The GP headlights would make it look kinda like a later 2nd gen TA style if you cut the little 2" lip to mount the whole assembly in. If I had any clue on how to use photoshop, I'd post some pics.