KagA152

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For all those that want one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1854843041

Jim85IROC

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Such a thorough description too.

How do people expect to sell a car with such a lousy description? The fact that he's too lazy (or at least not interrested enough) to take time writing a description makes me wonder how well he cared for the car! I know that if I put my car up there I'd be writing a book about it.

83tranzam

It's probably "just another car" to him Wish I had one.

j84ta

id still buy it if i had the money, its not like theres one on ebay every month

cg91ta

That's just sad. The very top is the only place the car is correctly identified as a '91, and then it's id'd as a Trans Am. Everywhere else the seller id's it as a '92. The description states it has an automatic transmission, when it has a ZF 6 speed, and you can clearly see the clutch pedal in one picture. Let's not even mention the pictures...sad.

I agree, how can you expect to sell such a beautiful car without all the facts. Maybe it's fruedian...

Bandit400

yep, Anti-lock brakes were available on third gens
Love the fact that it's got an auto and manual transmission, too

I'd love to have a third gen 'hawk, though.
oh, if I were only rich!!

TPIterror

***, I wish I had cash! That's the ultimate ride. Is there a Manhattan in Kansas City? Did I sleep through geography class?

Krazzycowgirl

Unlike some of us who know our cars its probly a dealer car or a car that he picked up to just turn around & sell it for more money then he has in to the car.

okfoz

I notice the reserve is not yet met... He probably wants $30,000, just a guess, but he mentioned that thats where it appraised at.

for 30K, I will buy a 308 or 328 Ferrari, and I know it will go up in value...

I personally would not pay more than $15K for any 3rd gen, TTA, Firehawk whatever, low miles or not, there are too many nice ones for under 10K...

John

Krazzycowgirl

How about a 82 Pace car that has all disc brakes?

Mark A Shields

It's one thing to have something appraised for a certain price, it's another to actually get it. nice car though.

TPIterror

I'd say a thirdgen Firehawk is a little more special than your average thirdgen, anniversary or otherwise. Its worth the money. Plus they sold for like 40-50 grand new.

MdFormula350

it needs t-tops!!! if i had the money i would still buy it..

KagA152

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i dont think any firehawks had t-tops, but there was a convertable i think

Krazzycowgirl

Engine: V8 5.7Liter
Trans: Automatic
Drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Mileage: 4,500
Equipment : Air Conditioning,Power Steering,Power Windows,
Power Door Locks,Tilt Wheel,Cruise Control,AM/FM Stereo,
Cassette,Compact Disc,Premium Sound,Leather,Power Seat,
Rear Spoiler,Alloy Wheels
Retail Value $7,555


Engine: V8 5.7 Liter
Trans: Automatic
Drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Mileage: 4,500

Equipment :Air Conditioning,Power Steering,Power Windows,
Power Door Locks,Tilt Wheel,Cruise Control,AM/FM Stereo,
Cassette,Compact Disc,Premium Sound,Leather,Power Seat,
Rear Spoiler,Alloy Wheels
Trade-In Value $4,295


These are from KBB.com

No where near 30k

Mark A Shields

You realize this is a Firehawk right??

Krazzycowgirl

Yes I do

Black84Z28

Then why did you post the KBB value for a regular T/A?

87350IROC

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You also have to realize that KBB does not add collector value in there appraisals. An L88 vette is worth about $3,000 according to KBB.

And my car is susposidly only worth $2,000

Krazzycowgirl

because thats all they offered they didnt list the Firehawk which was an upgrade for a Trans am.

if I can buy a 2002 Brickyard Pace car for $34k Why would I want to buy a Firehawk thats 10 yrs old?

ChillPhatCat

The dude must be a total degenerate Retard. There is no way he's gonna get 30k with that description. I think it is a fair price, considering it is a '91 Firehawk... *** help him if it was the green or blue Firehawk...

TPIterror

Krazycowgirl, I dont think you have any idea what this car really is. This was the first year of the Firehawk, and unlike 4 th gen Firehawks(including the Brickyard car), it was a HIGHLY modified car. It was pretty much an exotic car fighter. They sold for over 40,000 dollars. Here's a link:

http://www.firehawk.com/picturelist.html?ID=1207

Krazzycowgirl

1991 Pontiac : Trans Am
1992 Formula Firehawk #6 of 25 4,500 miles

OK the Dude has 2 diff years on the car SO WHAT THE HELL IS IT a 91 or a 92??????????

Krazzycowgirl

also according to this Boards information there was not 25 Firehawks made for either 91 or 92
There were 8 made in 91 & 17 Made in 92

TPIterror

I cant tell which year he means either. Either way though it's still a highly valuable car and in many opinions, the ultimate thirdgen.

Krazzycowgirl

according to Several websites that are Firehawk based there was NO firehawk in 91 & Yes some do say there was 25 made in 92 while others say there was only 17made. I dont know much about the firehawks, But I know for a fact that Many ppl will not Pay $30k or even $10k for a car that is 10 yrs old when you can go out & buy a brand new car for the same price.

I'm more likely to spend $30k on a car that is 20yrs or older that is a rare car. like my Pace car.

Jim85IROC

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You really have absolutely no idea about collector cars and their value. You've totally missed the point. You can pay over $500,000 for some rare 60s Corvettes that aren't as fast and don't handle as well as a Z06, but yet every time one comes up for sale, there's always a buyer. The firehawk is the rarest and best performing of all thirdgens, and because of that, there are PLENTY of people that would rather have that than just another 4th gen that's going to depreciate like a rock.

TPIterror

Not to be rude, but your Camaro pace car, doesn't even come close to the performance or the collectors status of a 92 Firehawk.
If you like it, thats one thing..but dont compare it to this car. How many 82 Camaro pace cars were built..6000? How much horsepower does it have.. 145-165? How much did they cost new...$10-12,000..Get my point?

Didnt you click the above link?

okfoz

Here is the NADA price for the Firehawk.
http://www.nada.com

1992
FIREBIRD
Model: FIREHAWK SLP
Weight: N/A
Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price: N/A
Low Retail: $9,900
Average Retail: $12,650
High Retail: $15,500


John

TPIterror

Yeah, thats a lot closer, but it really doesnt represent what these cars are worth to collectors. Any price book is just a rough guidline.

okfoz

to a collector???

If I remember right at the Jackson whatever auction, one of these puppies went for a whopping $17,000, and I believe that was to a collector so its in the ball park.

John

okfoz

Here is some info on these cars from firehawk.com

1992 Option Code "B4U"
Cars were ordered 27
Cars were built* 25
Colors
"Mandatory" Red 21
Aqua 1
White 1
Blue 1
Green 1
Options
Competition Package 11
Aluminum Block Engine 3
T-Tops 1
Trans Am Convertible. This was also the last 1992 Firehawk Built 1

* Although the last car built is #27, 2 cars were cancelled #18 & #23

scottmoyer

Barrett-Jackson sold one for $19k this past year. It was a low mileaged one and was red......hmmmm....could this be that car? the owner got it for a decent price and wants to make a profit. The problem is, he just established it's value by paying $19k at an auction. That's where the value of a car lies, in the recent sale amounts.

Krazzycowgirl, I understand your thinking on the Pace Car and the Brickyard car, but neither one will be worth any real amounts of money any time soon. Granted, only 57 Brickyard cars were produced and only 57 cars have the Z7D RPO code, but there is no performance updates to it. It runs equal to a regular SS. I see the value of that car dropping much like all the other Brickyard cars over the years. To make the RPO code improve the value of this car, Chevrolet should've given these cars all of the SS upgrades and be at least the 345hp minimum. I think GMMG should have modified these car. That would give them some value, rarity of the RPO and performance to back it up as something special! That's why I passed on getting mine. I want a Tom Henry, Berger or Dale Earnhardt edition (if I even buy another 4th gen)

The 82 Pace car is a good looking car (cuz it's a 3rd gen) but that's about it! No performance or hp worth mentioning. Enjoy em both, but don't think that either of these cars will take care of your retirement plans!

TPIterror

Yeah, you mean the Barret Jackson Auction. I'm not saying it couldn't be sold for that price, I'm just saying that the sale price could be much higher based on how desired it is by the potential buyer.

I sold Pontiac and used cars for 5 years and we often gave lower trade ins and sold lower(or higher) than the NADA value of used cars. Factors such as desirability of the model, the price of gas at the time, the season of the year, the amount of previous owners, insurance rates, and mechanical history of the model.

Thats what I mean when I say used as a rough guidline.

cg91ta

If you run the vin it comes up as a 91 Formula.

okfoz

As it could be, The Firehawk was produced 2 years not just in 1992. I do not remember the exact breakdown, but there were some Firehawks made in 1991, it was something like 6 or 10 or something... The sum of all the 1991+1992 cars was 25.

Consider the program car, #1, I looked at it and it was a 1991.

By the way, both the T-top car and the Convertable got the roll cage.

John

92GTA

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If you guys want to know everything about these cars, go here:

http://www.TransAmGTA.com/Firehawk

okfoz

the link does not work...

John

92GTA

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Yes it does, just keep hitting reload. My Site host is updating their user CP's and it's causing server errors every now and then, sorry.

Krazzycowgirl

Yea I do know things about Collector cars, The Main point I was trying to get a cross was that Most ppl (that have no idea of collector cars) Would Not buy the car because you can get a Brand new one for what hes asking for it.

2 as someone else said when you run the Vin # it comes up as a 91 Formula. & hes claiming that its a 92 Firehawk.
The dude has both years on it which means He might not even know what the HELL the car is.

as for the 60s corvette They are NOT 10 yrs old. as for the 4th Gen I have seen them go up in Vaule (grant it its not much but they have gone up in vaule) more then anything the last year or so.

as for the 82 Pace car after Recieving an email from someone that Helps ppl Reg these cars They have only found 34 of them with disc breaks (I dont know how many of them where out there) I have #35 right now. (because I havent Reg my car)

How about the other rear F-bodys out there???? the 11 1LEs that were made? (dont have my book in fornt of me or I will have the year) or the 2 82 Camaros with the 350 in them???????

okfoz

Honesly, I like the Firehawk, its a Formula, which in my book makes it more appealing. But in my honest opinion, there were only a few that would be truely be worth collecting and will be worth the most.

#1 for obvious reasons
#27 its a convertable, and its the last one, and got the 366 Engine
#26 it was the last hard top, and it also had a special VIN, the 8th didget was a 7 because it got a 383 Stroked Aluminum Block AND it also had the Aluminum Hood.
#25 Got the 366 Engine as well and got the T-tops

those would be my picks...

Unfortunately, I spoke to Bruce Hawkins, (He owns #24) the green one, and he told me that #26 had its issues. Not to mention when I looked at the car it did NOT have the T-ram, instead it looked like a standard Tuned port intake on top of an aluminum block.

John

92GTA

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John,

I know the owner of #26, what do you mean issues? True it does not have the T-Ram because SLP built it with an LT1 style intake, that is how it came from SLP.

Personally I don't even consider #27 a real Firehawk because it does not have B4U on the SPID sheet.

okfoz

When I looked at the car in 1998/1999 the car had the standard TPI intake in it... My father and me went down to SLP in Troy to look at the 2 cars, #1, and #26.

When I was looking under the hoods, I remember seeing that #26 did not have the T-ram, and my dad saying, I kind of like the way the Tuned port looks more than the T-ram. It was funny I remember thinking to myself, gee, I would rather have the special intake. So it very well may be that #26 now has a LT1 style intake.


I later contacted SLP and wanted to know if they had any T-Rams for sale, and apparently they had a fire and the production of the intake had ceased. The sales person mentioned that there was one sitting there but it was not complete and Mr hamburger probably would not appreciate him selling it.

So it may be that that T-ram they have pieces of, is actually from #26.

I know Bruce Hawkins has #24

John

Krazzycowgirl

1991 Pontiac : Trans Am
1992 Formula Firehawk #6 of 25 4,500 miles

4500 Miles · 8 - Cyl.
· 2 doors · Automatic transmission
· Used · Clear title
· Red Exterior - Gray - Light Interior
· VIN: 1G2FS2388ML249429

Ok this is what the Dude has on the Ebay Auction. If you look closely at the pics it has a Manual trans in the car. If you run the Vin # it come up as a 91 Formula
I want to know what it is?

92GTA

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What's so hard about it? The guy doesn't know exactly what it is or he is retarded and can't type but being that it is car #6 we sure as hell know what it is, did you even read my Firehawk page?

Guys, I had a chance to buy this car and passed because it does not have the compitition package. The guy that sold it kew what it was but I guess the guy that bought it does not. If you do a search you find a 2 year old for sale ad that the other seller posted on this ver board.

Krazzycowgirl

OK my examples where bad ones I admitted to that. I do understand that the 82 Pace car is not anywhere near the value of this car. Also the newer pace cars are not either at this time.

As for the 60s style Vettes it depends on what year & special packages as was stated. A 63 split back window is going to be worth alot more than a reg. 65 Vette for example.

That said my Org point was only that someone who did not know these cars, & does not have the information that some of you do would never pay these kind of prices for this car.

Also FOR ME (and I am only talking for myself) I do not think this car is worth $30k of my money.

92GTA this may have been the car you were looking at buying but since I didnt know that until you posted that fact, The conflicting Information would shy anyone away from the car unless the guy posted pics of the proof, Which he did not.

KagA152

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another rare car on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1855314190

92GTA

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Ok, here is what they go for in todays market:

Red non-comp package, non-aluminum engine Firehawk - $17-20K depending on milage and history.

Red w/comp-package, non- aluminum engine -$26-29K depending on milage and history.

Non-Red w/comp package and aluminum engine- $29-30K

Non-Red w/comp package and non-aluminum engine -$27-29K

#027, who knows. It was over $60K new and in my book it's not a real Firehawk but an SLP clone so I guess whatever someone wants to pay.

#026 with the 383, same goes for this car I'd think but it's not worth over $25K that's for sure.

#001, it is the first one but it's missing half of the comp package and has been driven very hard by all of the magazines. why would you buy it when you can have a perfect one, the only things that saves it is the fact it is #001.

If my prices seem a little high it's because I assume these values to be private party to private party values IE all parties invloved knowing exactly what the cars are.

I don't consider the Barrett-Jackson results to be typical because come on, how many ofthe people there really knew what it was seriously? All they wanted was a Yenko Camaro or a ZL1 or an L88 Vette, not a Formula Firehawk. I consider what those hawks went for as a bare minimum guartantied value and the people that got them for that price should consider them selves damn lucky. 2 of the 3 that sold there are already back up for sale for more than what they went for I can bet you they will get it too.

I've had the opportunity to buy atleast 10 of the 25 being the circle that I am in so I know what they go for. I do expect the prices to go down and bottom out ay maybe $15K for a base one before their value goes back up again but I can promise you that these cars will turn out to be the next ZL1 COPO of firebirds...

SHO350

I wouldn't pay $30K for a 91-92 firehawk. You can get a same year Corvette ZR1 for that much money.

okfoz

Are you talking about the ZL1 that was auctioned for $110,000???

John