Can somebody tell me if there was a set of GTAs made that they only made 500 in 92. The reason I'm asking is the GTA I have someone told me it is one of 500 made and I should try to find more info and or paperwork to back it up. I was told they made some GTAs that were lightened up and made for speed. Wether it's true I don't have a clue that's why I thought to ask on here because since I got this car I've been looking at this site and learning alot and if anyone would know they would be on here. Plus I'd rather know the truth before I end up saying something to someone and look like an idiot, I can do that all by myself.
Thanks;
Paul

www.gtasourcepage.com

They only made 226 that year anyway, if that tells you much about the wonderful story you heard.

A lightened up Trans Am without all the goodies made for Speed was called a Formula

Not trying to be a smart A@@ but as it turned out that was the purpose of the Formula, all performance. The GTA on the other hand was made for Performance but was more "up-scale" and intended to be more of a Touring Car.

As a side note, The Formula 350 for any given year was the second fastest (NORMALLY ASPERATED) car produced by GM to my knowledge, only the Corvette was faster. By NA, I am not including the TTA, GN, GNX, Syclone, or Typhoon, because they are Turbo models. The Firehawks were made from Formulas for a reason


John

Thanks guys like I said I sure learn alot from this board.
Thanks again
Paul

This is a little old, however, the GTASourcePage is incorrect on how many 92 GTAs where produced. The 500 number is closer to correct then 226. A member of the board (owner of now gone TransAmGTA.com) got all the 92 Firebird RPOs in a HUGE list from a friend, did a counted search and found out how many instances of the GTA RPO showed up, and it was 500 something, IIRC.

Actually, the gtasourcepage shows cars made for America, this does not count Canadian cars I believe, from the data on the tech data page, there were 508 GTA's made for '92 but shows only 9 Trans Am's with the 1LE where the gtasourcepage shows 25 1LE's made, it's hard to say which is right though.

I have a hard time believing that 1 of 2 GTAs produced in 92 was exported to Canada. It is hard to know what is truely correct, but 508 is the number that I have seen to actually have data backing it. Besides, it doesn't mater if the car was exported or not, it was still a GTA.

1992 Production figures
(George Scala, Pontiac Firebird 1967-2000 )

23,099 Base Firebirds
1,265 Firebird Convertables
1,052 Formulas (22 1LE Formulas) (19 Firehawks)

971 Trans Ams (9 1LE Trans Ams)
663 Trans Am Convertables
508 GTA's

27,558 Total Production

can the GTAs be broken down more? Like T-TOPS, auto or 5 speed, color?
Paul

Yes, they can be broken down to some degree through individual options like listed above.... but combinations cannot be traced unless someone has more detailed information than I do.

I know that some do not trust the figures that I have posted, and that is entirely understandable. This production number dispute has haunted me (along with the Notchback production total) since my website's inception in 1997. I have been told by PHS on numerous occassions that Pontiac's internal production records were in a "sad state of disarray"....

All I can say is the records that I had access to were obtained expressly from Pontiac for me to examine by an insider ( I was not allowed to make any copies, nor leave the immediate area with them), and for 1992 the total for US production was listed as 226 cars equipped as 2FS87 + WS4 + Y84.

So that is all the info I have to go on.... to me, that counts as having data to back it up. My figures say up front that they are for US production only, and do not claim to be "absolute".

GM/Canada shows a total of 48 cars imported for 1992 with the Y84 option. So if the 508 total number is right and my figure accounts for US sales only.... then that leaves 234 export cars out there. I think that total is highly unlikely, given the car's high pricetag and the Firebird model's low overall production number for the model year.

Alex talked about breaking down the entire 92 model line as he has the RPOs for every car, however it would take a lot of time to import it all correctly into a database to drill down to that kind of level.

Frankie, I didn't know where your figures came from, but that makes sense. Pontiac is really bad at keeping track of some things, like we have no idea how many Firebird where painted what color in 2000, and that was only a few years ago that they have missing data!

Hi all!
When putting together my book, I dealt with Jim at Pontiac Historical Services direct. He informed my of the 508 figure.
Since he has the records, that's what I used in my book.
No way was I ever trying to step on anyone's toes, or try to prove anyone wrong or different.

George

Just to add to this, I have photo proof of atleast 6 92 euro export 92 GTA's also.

Guys, from all of the VIN's I have I've gotten it down to this:
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1992 Firebirds: 27,561 (Euro, Canadian, and U.S. Models Included)

U.S. Only

Convertibles----
Firebird LH0: 454
Firebird L03: 805
Trans Am LB9: 679

HardTop/T-Top----
Firebird LH0: 13,621
Firebird L03: 7,648
Formula LB9: 306
Formula L98: 403
Trans Am LB9: 493
Trans Am L98: 334

The Trans Am numbers under HardTop/T-Top include GTA's, I have not yet seperated those. Also, Firehawks and 1LE's are not seperated either.

Total U.S. 1992 Firebirds: 24,743
Total Euro and Canadian Firebirds: 2,818
-------------------------------------------------

So since there are not 92 GTA's verts made in 1992, they are included in the HardTop/T-Top numbers. Now the total for those two is 827. I find it REALLY hard to believe that 508 of those 827 are GTA's, lol. I believe the 226 U.S. number to be closer plus maybe a couple dozen Canadian ones and a half dozen euro ones. I think the number is close to 300 which to me is still high considering only 827 non-vert Trans Am's were made, it still seems like 300 would be high out of that.

Anyway, this was an observation I made a few years ago based off of a quick review of all the VIN's.

Alex

92 GTA,
What is the production breakdown of all the different Firebirds that year.

# of Firebirds, Formulas, Firehawks, T/As & GTA's

If you have the information that would also be helpful because the numbers are not adding up with my information from books.

thanks.

John

Also the production numbers you listed must be for US units only as they only add up to 24,743

It says USA Only right ontop of the broken down production numbers

ok I am blind

John

And I'm lost

how light is a formula 350? how much do T/A 350's weigh?

thanks

Shipping weight:
1987*
2885 - V6 Firebird
2985 - V8 Bird
3002 ~ 3102 - Formula
3227 - Trans Am
3327 - GTA

1988
3083 - V6
3102 - V8 Firebird
3296 - Formula
3355 - Trans AM
3406 /- GTA

1989
3083 - V6 Firebird
3300 - V8 'Bird
3318 / 3334* - Formula
3337 / 3298* - TA
3486 / 3519* - GTA
3346* - TTA

1990
3106 / 3210* - V6 Firebird
3266 - V8 'bird
3338 - Formula
3338 - Trans Am (does not make sence)
3554 - GTA

1991
3121 - V6 Firebird
3287 - V8 'bird
3370 - Formula
3343 - Trans Am
3456 - GTA

1992
3121 - V6 Firebird
3280 - V6 'bird convert
3287 / 3281*- V8 'bird
3440 - V8 'bird convert
3370 - Formula
3343 - Trans Am
3441 - TA Convert
3456 - GTA

I got it from the standard catalog of American cars 1976 - 1999. The figures followed with an * were found in THe standard catalog of Firebird 1967 - 2002. I am not entirely convinced since the base options on the Formula were less than the Trans AM and the Formula never had the GFX... Its all I have tho.

Starting in 1990 the Trans Am came standard with the TPI engine, and the Formula came standard with the LO3 engine... It may account for the added weight difference. Prior to that the LO3 or LG4 was the base engine for both years and the weight difference may be more accurate. Also the Formula came with the WS6 suspension, and the Trans Am it was an option, so that too may account for some of the added weight.

With those assumptions, probably about 50# difference, thats roughly 0.05 sec in the quarter.

I guess the only way to really know would be to remove the bumpers from both cars and the ground effects from the Trans AM. Weigh both of them and then figure the difference.

John

hey thanks a lot, i guess there is a big weight difference! I remeber i saw one FORMULA 350 at night....too bad i was in my jeep, i wouldve pulled up next to him and asked him about it