Paxton87

Put this on GTASOOURCEPAGE...
What I think I have:
1987 Canadian GTA 5.7 TPI Auto T-Top metric Digital dash. She ain't much to look at but the motor has about 116k on it but runs beautifully.

I'm new to GTAs but I after some reading on this incredible site I think that in the process of buying a randomly inexpensive car for my Trans Am nut cousin who had helped me through a rough time I might have accidentally bought a Unicorn. He couldn't accept it and I was about to trade it for an old toyota truck but I would rather it go to an appreciative home if its an unusual combination of options. I paid the $5 and got a Compnine. I'll attach the link for your review. I was Any help is greatly appreciated.

http://www.compnine.com/mycar.php?id...b5287885f2f665

scooter

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What would be "Unicorn" about it? It's an 87 Candian GTA, it isn't like you could change the equipment on the order really. They may not have gotten a lot of GTAs up there, GTA is a relatively low production number to begin with, so if you have a nice one I would hold onto it

Paxton87

The combination 5.7,ttop was not found in the US because Of weight. The Iroc option just doesn't even make sense to me. Please forgive my ignorance , I've only started learning about this yesterday

Paxton87

But to answer your question ,it seems to be the only car I've seen with this combination of options. That is why I use the word unicorn

scooter

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Post a picture of your RPO sheet, don't go by what compnine shows

jworks

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looks like it has decent options, pics of the car and rpo codes like scooter said will really help to tell what it is. but kinda sounds like its just a nicely optioned GTA

StevenB L98/LS1

Its maybe far less known to see now, but 87 5.7 GTAs with ttops in Canada were fairly common since it was optional for them. I wouldnt call this a unicorn.

Paxton87

Link to the RPO Code are in the original post. I'll paste here




Vehicle: Listed Below
Year: 1987
Build Date:RPODescription1HVCOMPONENTS OF IROC-Z PERFORMANCE PACKAGE COMPONENT OF B4Z IROC-Z PKG(1HV)52PWHEEL COLOR,GOLD METALLIC (52P)62DINTERIOR COLOR,SADDLE,CLOTH (62D)62IINTERIOR COLOR,SADDLE (62I)629Unk.74QMOLDING COLOR,FLAME RED METALLIC (74Q)74UEXTERIOR COLOR,PRIMARY (74U)AAAUnk.AH3ADJUSTER,SEAT,4-WAY MANUAL,DRIVER 4-WAY MAN D/SEAT ADJR(AH3)AK1RESTRAINT SYSTEM,FRONT,CENTER,REAR SEAT,FRONT SHOULDER(DELUXE) DELUXE BELTS(AK1)AM9SEAT,REAR,FOLDING SPLIT BACK FLDG SPLIT BK R/SEAT(AM9)AQ9SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,RECLINING RECL FRT BKT ST,LUXURY(AQ9)AU3LOCK,SIDE DOOR,ELECTRIC ELEC S/D LK(AU3)A01WINDOW,TINTED GLASS(ALL WINDOWS) TINTED GLS(A01)A31WINDOW,ELECTRIC OPERATED,SIDE ELEC SI WDO(A31)A90LOCK,REAR COMPARTMENT LID,REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC RELEASE ELEC REL LID LK(A90)BV3ORNAMENTATION,INTERIOR,INSTRUMENT PANEL(BLACK) I/P ORNAMENTATION(BV3)BY4ORNAMENTATION,INSTRUMENT PANEL MONOGRAM I/P ORNAMENTATION(BY4)B2LUnk.B20ORNAMENTATION,INTERIOR(LUXURY) LUXURY INTR(B20)B34COVERING,FLOOR MATS,FRONT,CARPETED INSERT(COLOR COORDINATED) FRT CPT INS FLR MATS(B34)B35COVERING,FLOOR MATS,REAR,CARPETED INSERT(COLOR COORDINATED) RR CPT INS FLR MATS(B35)B67CONTAINER,CASSETTE TAPE STORAGE CASSETTE TAPE CNTNR(B67)B84ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR,BODY SIDE MOLDING BODY SI MLDG(B84)B87EMBLEM,FENDER(DELETE) B87)B94ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR,BODY EMBLEM BODY EMB(B94)B97ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR,LOWER MOLDING ACCENT LWR ACNT MLDG(B97)CC1ROOF,HATCH,REMOVABLE PANELS,GLASS HATCH RF(CC1)CD2INDICATOR,WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID LOW FLUID IND(CD2)CD4WIPER SYSTEM,WINDSHIELD,PULSE PULSE WPR(CD4)C49DEFOGGER,REAR WINDOW,ELECTRIC ELEC RR WDO DEFG(C49)C67AIR CONDITIONER,FRONT,ELECTRONIC CONTROLS A/C FRT ELEC CONT(C67)DE4SUNSHADE,REMOVABLE HATCH ROOF HATCH RF S/S(DE4)DG7MIRROR,OUTSIDE,RH & LH REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC(PAINTED) O/S ELEC R/CON PAINTED MIR(DG7)DK6CONSOLE,ROOF RF CNSL(DK6)D3YUnk.D34MIRROR,INSIDE,SUNSHADE S/S MIR WITHOUT ILLUMINATION(D34)D42COVER,REAR COMPARTMENT SECURITY(SHADE) R/CMPT SECURITY SHADE(D42)D60COLOR OVERRIDE - TRIM & PAINT COMPATIBILITYD81SPOILER,REAR,AERO WING RR AERO WING SPLR(D81)D9BSENSOR (D9B)E5ZADAPTER - SPEEDO - DELETEE9ZKEY - SPEEDO - DELETEFE2SUSPENSION SYSTEM,RIDE AND HANDLING RIDE & HANDLING SUSP(FE2)GW6AXLE,REAR,3.27 RATIO 3.27R(GW6)G80AXLE,REAR,POSITRACTION,LIMITED SLIP POSITRACTION L/SLIP R/AXL(G80)J65BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT AND REAR DISC 4-WHL DISC BRK(J65)KC4COOLING SYSTEM,ENGINE OIL ENG OIL CLG(KC4)K34CRUISE CONTROL,AUTOMATIC,ELECTRONIC CRCONT(K34)K68GENERATOR,105 AMPERE 105 AMP(K68)L98ENGINE, 5.7L, (5.7-8) 350 CID, V8, TPI 5.7-8(L98)MD8TRANSMISSION,AUTOMATIC 4-SPEED(THM700R4/4L60) 4-SPD A/TRANS(MD8)MX0TRANSMISSION,AUTOMATIC,OVERDRIVE(MERCHANDISING OPTION) A/TRANS PROVISIONS(MX0)NA5EMISSION SYSTEM,FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FEDERAL EMIS(NA5)NODUnk.NP5STEERING WHEEL,LEATHER WRAPPED LEATHER WRAPPED STRG WHL(NP5)N33STEERING COLUMN,TILT TYPE TILT STRG COL(N33)N65WHEEL AND TIRE,SPACE SAVER SPARE(STEEL) STOWAWAY SPARE(STEEL)(N65)PB4LOCK KIT,ALUMINUM WHEEL AL WHL LOCK KIT(PB4)PW7WHEEL,16X8,STYLED(ALUMINUM)(SUPERLIGHT) STYLED AL WHL(PW7)QDZUnk.TR9LAMP GROUP,COURTESY LP GRP(TR9)T93LAMP,TAIL AND STOP(SPECIAL) SPECIAL TAIL & S/LP(T93)T96LAMP,FRONT FOG FRT FOG LP(T96)UF6LAMP,INTERIOR,CONSOLE & COURTESY INTR CNSL & CTSY LP(UF6)UQ1RADIO,PROVISIONS FOR STEREO STEREO RDO PR0VISIONS(UQ1)UT1BUZZER,TONE GENERATOR WARNING TONE GEN WRNG BUZZER(UT1)UT4RADIO,AM&FM STEREO,CASSETTE,EQUALIZER,INCLUDES CLOCK STEREO CASSETTE/EQLZR(UT4)UW1DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM DIAGN SYS(UW1)U25LAMP,INTERIOR,REAR COMPARTMENT COURTESY RR COMPT CTSY LP(U25)U29LAMP,INTERIOR,INSTRUMENT PANEL,COURTESY I/P CTSY LP(U29)U52CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT(ELECTRONIC) ELEK GA CSTR(U52)U66SPEAKER SYSTEM,4,DUAL FRONT DASH MOUNTED,DUAL EXTENDED RANGE PACKAGE SHELF/QUARTER 4 SPKR SYS(U66)U75ANTENNA,POWER(CHROME) PWR ANT(U75)VK3LICENSE PLATE,FRONT MOUNTING PACKAGE FRT LIC PLT MTG PKG(VK3)V73Unk.WS4TRANS AM OPTION TRANS AM(WS4)WS6PERFORMANCE PACKAGE,SPECIAL(MERCHANDISING OPTION) SPECIAL PERFORMANCE PKG(WS6)WU5Unk.WW6AERO PACKAGE(FLAME RED METALLIC) AERO PKG(WW6)W62AERO PACKAGE AERO PKG(W62)X07Unk.YS1SEAT,REAR(CUSTOM) CUSTOM RR ST(YS1)YT1FLEET PROGRAM - FALL/WINTER/SPRING REPURCHASEYT9FLEET PROGRAM - EXPOSURE INITIATIVE I: C/F/G/H/J/K/M/N/S/U/V/W/Z- TRK CKGMPSTY84TRANS AM GTA OPTION(MERCHANDISING OPTION) TRANS AM GTA(Y84)Z31IDENTIFICATION - PRICE SHEET ADVANCEZ49MANDATORY CANADIAN BASE EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIONS(CANADIAN) CANADIAN(Z49)

Paxton87

Sorry, that came out a mess. I will delete and repost with a more appropriate format.

scooter

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You're still posting the RPO that Compnine is telling you. I mean post an actual picture of the RPO in the car so we can see it. Compnine may not be accurate. I haven't used it in years, so I don't remember how good it was.

DynoDave43

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Paxton87, the RPOs he's refer to are on a white note-card sized Service Parts ID (SPID) label. It's a sticker stuck inside your center console glove box. Snap a photo of it, and we might be able to tell you a little more about the car. Comp can make mistakes. This decal should be the real deal, if it is VIN matched to the car, and still there.

JT

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Even though the RPO codes are from Compnine, I've not seen Compnine provided such an error with the RPO codes associated with the VIN unless it's completely off.

In other words, a 1987 GTA with factory 5.7 and factory T-Tops as an export (Canada) is certainly possible and even known. Like another said, I wouldn't call it a "unicorn" and the condition is an important factor as to the value.

Don't forget you could buy a 1989 GTA with factory 5.7 and factory T-Tops without the metric cluster (i.e., non-export).

MY87LT

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So is this Compnine supposed to have every V.I.N.? I just entered mine and it says not found.


Btw, a "unicorn" third gen for me would be the approx. 4 or so light brown metallic Camaro's that slipped through before dropping that paint code.

JT

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No. It only works for 1990+ ThirdGens. Or if you have an export vehicle then there are records going further back.

Paxton87

I've read that if the SPI label is still there that is will be located inside the console glove box between seats in '87, with later models in the cargo compartment under the rear hatch. I don't see it in either location. If that's the RPO you're referring to and the the Compnine is suspect then would Pontiac Historic be the only remaining option for ID? I can say that everything on the Compnine appears to be consistent with this car, I'll attach a cleaner version, and if its a fake then someone went to a whole bunch of trouble only to neglect their efforts and let the car deteriorate. Also, although not installed the previous owner gave me, what he called , the factory seats (bad shape), aircleaner, radio, etc. but it is missing the front GTA Badge, Flashlight, and has two different wheel types (both gold but 2 with the little indention and all centercaps have silver and not GTA gold Birds. His story was that the car started in canada, then Florida, then Kentucky and now West Virginia. I'm not trying to make a bunch of money on this, just understand how many were made with this set of options and if it's unique then my good buddy Chris the GM Junkie would get a big kick out of it.

Paxton87

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Big&BadGTA

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I plugged a vin into Compnine. Not found. Hmm.

Paxton87

so this being a Canadian car makes sense of the mm having RP0 of an 1987?

Paxton87

plug that VIN in and see if ya get a hmmmm...

PurelyPMD

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That's your unicorn?

scottmoyer

Again, Compnine only has records from 1990 and up for US vehicles.

One thing that has me wondering is why they are listing 1HV as an IROC-Z option on the GTA. They seem to have the Chevrolet version of the code rather than the Pontiac version.

1HV : COMPONENTS OF WS4 TRANS AM OPTION

Paxton87

I don't go to forums often but why is it that they always seem guarded by trolls that want to belittle everything? It's $1000 car that greatly resembles my uncles TA that he let my Dad use to drive us to a Reds game. I was 7. I'd never risen in anything but a Chevette or 1/2 ton van. Shortly after leaving I thought the TTops had a shock or stableizer on then so at 50 mph I grabbed the handle and before Dad knew what was going on it flew off the car and into the sky. It was a brand new car, I was scared and so was Dad...it landed in a moist ditch and barely got a spec of mud. We celebrated and took off again...5 minutes later he got pulled over for 65 in a 50. He died a year ago, a couple years after his brother. I got this car for his son the TA nut.

Paxton87

someone on another site said that they had heard of hybrid camero ta's or that some cars started down the camero line and were moved to TA. I don't have a clue but seems like Pontiac is my best bet. It's worth the money even if they tell me that it's a Vibe in disguise

scottmoyer

Whatever you heard on another site about hybrids is completely false. Disregard that info altogether. The two cars were built concurrently on the same assembly line.

Also, I edited you post above and removed your poor choice of words. Language like that is not allowed on this site. If you look at the post by PurelyPMD, he quoted another person when asking about their idea of a unicorn. His question was directed at MY87LT, not you.

Big&BadGTA

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Just entered my old GTA from 1989 - it's not in Compnine database, either. Thinking that site is useless. IMO

Big&BadGTA

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This makes sense then, why both 1989 VINs I plugged in don't show up

Paxton87

in which case I sincerely apologize. I just came here expecting a little friendly guidance and for a little defensive. I consider a unicorn to be any 1 of a kind factory car. Prius to model T. I reserve the term "Holy Grail" for the legendary limited production cars like the 69 ZL-1. Regards, very sorry,and I agree. If there's 3 others like it...and it's brown...it's a jackass not a unicorn :-)

Paxton87

i did the search before givi g them my CC and it showed records so the $5 for 5 searches seemed like a safe bet. Everything on my report seems to be proven on the car. I'd gladly offer my remaining 4 searches to anyone who'd like to confirm my VIN and especially anyone with and 1987 Canadian GTA of their own for comparison. I'll take a few more pics of some of the oddball stuff and see what I can get from Pontiac tomorrow. To me, I like the 5.7 with TTops and digital dash. Even if the conversion from PSI to, what I assume would be Grams Per Centimeter?, on oil pressure must be constantly considered to avaoid stroke. I'll let y'all know if I find out anything interesting . But to my original point. This car's interior is pretty rough but if someone else has a special car that needs something OEM from this one just let me know.

JT

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My previous reply kinda says explained it:

The site may be useless to you because it didn't have what you're looking for, but that hardly makes it useless.

A little back info. You can thank GM for not having that information. Try going to your GM dealer and getting a list of RPO codes for your 1989. Almost certainly they won't have it. That's also why Compnine doesn't. Anyone that has a 1989 or older ThirdGen that's not an export is very limited on the information they can get because GM doesn't have that information. There may be a few 1989 records out there, but it's not until 1990 does the records become nearly complete.

JT

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PurelyPMD's response was not to you. It was to another member's use of "unicorn" for a paint color. And it's a matter of opinions.

Don't misunderstand the replies here as if the car is junk. Though the pictures are way too small to get a better condition. That said, if someone wanted the 5.7 and T-Tops from the factory on the Trans Am/GTA then they were limited to the 1989 model year in which they were fairly plentiful. Otherwise, it's a 1987 Canadian export or aftermarket C&C T-Tops. Some people prefer the first year for the GTA and its one-year steering wheel. It also has the optional digital cluster. Even though the digital cluster was a common option on the Trans Am/GTA during that time, it's limited to a few years.

We're just trying to help you understand that it's not exactly a "unicorn" and that you're probably not going to make any significant money off of it - since you noted selling it.

scooter

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I know, right? I was thinking an early 1LE, or a 91/92 Firehawk, even a B4C or players car or late 1LE, or a 92 GTA and in one of the 92 only colors.....

PurelyPMD

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Guarded by trolls - you may be right, but if you spent any time here you would realize that JT, Okfoz & myself have monthly memberships and have given away more free compnine reports than what you spent on the car. We have also used that tool (as limited as it may be) to sift out some truly valuable information on production totals and real life unicorns.

And not to be crude - it's a great memory you are presenting & a noble one but the truth is you thought you had something special and came here hoping to get top dollar for it, got offended by anyone challenging that belief and by everything said outside of that as well.

At 37 you are old enough to know the difference.

F-body-fan

I think a 1987 350 with T-tops would be cool even if its not a rare car. I have always thought that 1987 was a lower production year for the GTA in general as it was the first year, & they increased in numbers after? Could be wrong on that, just something I thought I read at some point in the past.

I think the steering wheel & digital gauge setup up is pretty cool & sets the 87's apart. But, I am partial to 1987's as I owned a 1987 Trans am back in 1990 ish & was very fond of that car at the time. I remember a guy having a black 305 GTA at the same time & I thought that car was the coolest "newer" car on the road at the time.

Not sure what happened at post #22.......I didn't find any responses here offensive, so I am a little lost unless the Mods removed something?

jworks

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chucks gta before he passed
im not saying you dont have a nice car, i have the "domestic" version of the same car lol. same color same options (excluding the metric dash), heck even the same intake. 87 was the first year for the gta= kinda special
87 was the last year for the norwood plant= kinda special
t-top= not special but makes it cool
5.7= again not really special but cool
digital dash=kinda special.
basically you have a cool, kinda special car. who cares if its not a unicorn. its a fun car with memories, just like mine.


and BTW the russet (brown) may not be a widely liked color but I like it lol.

F-body-fan

I love brown vehicles, but ironically never owned one. Buddy of mine had an early 70's (72-73?) formula in brown with cragar SS's on it. was a very good looking car.

MY87LT

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Yes. And I want rainbows to come out of the exhaust too like how a unicorn does when it farts.


Or like I have mentioned in past other posts, a 1987 Camaro LT convertible as opposed to the "regular" sport coupe, Z28, or IROC. I have only seen one LT convertible in picture form only. As for the Canadian cars, they do bring interest in knowing what was produced specifically for other markets. But as we all know, GM for some reason, felt that our cars didn't deserve the same respect as the big brother Corvette and other niche cars like the turbo this and that models and not keep good records.


And I prefer the Canadian/export fuel gauge for the Camaro's before the 1990 dash change over.

MY87LT

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Who's the troll you're referring to?

PurelyPMD

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It was me.

MY87LT

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You're not a troll.

jharrison5

My definition of unicorn is the rust free black and tan hardtop factory manual IROC I own now. It took me 12 years to find that car and I am not letting it go. Is is rare? Not at all, but it is the car of my dreams.

PurelyPMD

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I've been called worse.

Everyone has a Unicorn and it can be anything from the 69 ZL1 Camaro noted above (69 built, 300 surviving) to a 4 cylinder low mile 1984 Camaro in completely original condition. It doesn't have to be a special car or even rare, it just has to be special to the person who wants it. I poked fun at MY87LT for his brown unicorn reference and he took it the right way - wasn't meant to be mean, we all need to laugh a little more at ourselves sometimes.

Bob88GTA

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"we all need to laugh a little more at ourselves sometimes."

Bigtime!!

Greg '85 T/A

My car eats rainbows and poops butterflies.

Bob88GTA

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jworks

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mine doesn't do any of that silly stuff... but it does...(wait for it).... have gas

MY87LT

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Kindda on and off topic on the rainbow and butterfly "exhaust", I just filled up my SUV with gasoline and I totally forgot how nasty this stupid winter blend we use here in California smells.

Paxton87

I was referring to 1969 Corvette ZL1 as a unicorn, not Camaro, as PurelyPMS suggested. I stand behind my apology earlier but defend my intuition that PurelyPMS is a troll and was misdirected here after an accidental click when seaching Google for THIRD GENDER CHANGE...

jworks

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wow... thats rough. I dont know purely PMD personally (ive been here less than a year) but hes a good dude, he helps everyone and he knows a lot about these cars (many people here do). sorry he didnt tell you what you WANTED to hear, but he told you exactly what you NEEDED to hear and that's the truth. you dont have a unicorn, you dont even have a rare or valuable car, but it's a cool car that means something to you. don't get all butt hurt over someone telling you the truth. walk away, lick your wounds and learn a new way to approach the people that know more than you.

Bob88GTA

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Ummmm, PurelyPMD is no troll here as you suspect. In fact, he's pretty valuable to the group.

Tread lightly Paxton87...just saying.

Drew

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This thread has come down with the gay condition. Too many rainbows, and unicorns for my tastes.



Screw it, I'm outta here.





Thirdgens aren't unicorns, they're cars.