They all have needs at this point due to age, but doesn't seem bad. Whats crazy is, if you found a second gen TA in that condition people would be head over heels. But third gens still seem to want to be classified as newer cars so the age related stuff tends to be look at like you would a newer car. Like it only has X miles, so why does it need that stuff, well its 30+ years old at this point.
Smells a bit fishy. For the miles, it's kind of unusual that someone had the interior panels apart and put them back together wrong. What's up with the upholstery falling apart on the passenger's rear lower seat cushion? Why is the texture worn off the leather steering wheel? I don't know, maybe I'm looking too hard for issues, it just looks like a car that's been helped a bit along the way. Biggest issue is it's an LG4 auto, no WS6, and it needs paint. From the window sticker and door jamb sticker, it wasn't even a 16" wheel car from the factory. It's probably worth the current bid, the buy it now might be a bit of a stretch. If it were a TPI car, had WS6, were a GTA, or the condition was appropriate for the mileage, it'd be worth more.
Must have spent all 35,000 outside in the sun. The clear coat is coming off everywhere. The t-top end trim is faded/discolored, the whole front carpet is faded almost white and the t-top bag straps look as if they were dipped in a bottle of bleach. Just a few things I noticed that my garaged 70,000 mile Formula does not have issues with. It does have a nice engine bay though. Tough call on those miles.
Comments don't add up. A car that "has been stored most of it's life indoors..." wouldn't have the clear coat peeling off of it---anywhere. And the notion that "under 350.00 to fix it..." is just laughable.
The headers would be a red flag for me, as would the entire engine bay slathered in Armor-All.
One thing I don't doubt is the comment about the car being on blocks---probably for a long time.
Comments don't add up. A car that "has been stored most of it's life indoors..." wouldn't have the clear coat peeling off of it---anywhere. And the notion that "under 350.00 to fix it..." is just laughable.
The headers would be a red flag for me, as would the entire engine bay slathered in Armor-All.
One thing I don't doubt is the comment about the car being on blocks---probably for a long time.
As always with ebay auto sales, Caveat Emptor.
Didn't the comments also mention a bad clutch? The car is an automatic.
Comments don't add up. A car that "has been stored most of it's life indoors..." wouldn't have the clear coat peeling off of it---anywhere. And the notion that "under 350.00 to fix it..." is just laughable.
The headers would be a red flag for me, as would the entire engine bay slathered in Armor-All.
One thing I don't doubt is the comment about the car being on blocks---probably for a long time.
As always with ebay auto sales, Caveat Emptor.
From what I understand, you don't simply touch up failed clear coat. You have to repaint the entire panel, base coat and clear coat. This is a cool car, but it's a project. $5K is about the right price for it.
From what I understand, you don't simply touch up failed clear coat. You have to repaint the entire panel, base coat and clear coat. This is a cool car, but it's a project. $5K is about the right price for it.
That much damage would require a panel BC/CC repaint, and to do that on only three different panels---on a 30-year-old car--- would make no sense. Even if that were done, it's likely other areas of the original clear coat will eventually fail. Unless someone likes the "patina" look, the car needs a complete repaint.
The car does appear to be rust-free, so there's value in that if the buyer realizes what else he's getting (or not getting) in the package. Would be a good buy---for the right price--- for someone who can paint his own car and address the mechanical/interior issues as well. To hire-out all the work needed to bring the car up to the standards of this forum's members would be quite expensive.
And the notion that "under 350.00 to fix it..." is just laughable.
He just left off a zero is all.
How you gonna have a 35k mile car, with the a/c converted to 134a, a replacement dryer, and a replacement compressor, but the A/C doesn't work? I'm not sure how I missed the headers, or the missing AIR injection. It'd bother me for a collector car, but the LG4 bothers me more. This is one of those cars, a person could do a clean 350 swap, HO air cleaner, some better gears, aka tasteful clean upgrades, and the car wouldn't take a huge hit in value. It's just not a desirable car with those options, and I really like the 85-90 T/As. It's the kind of car I'd stop to look at, see the H in the VIN and walk back to my car disappointed.
Engine bay - at least part of it - was re-sprayed. GM didn't paint the hood bumpers and you can see the difference from the maroon exterior paint to the red in the engine bay in several places.
Those seats are pretty cool and definitely a rare option. Was over spray a factory option too though? Cause' it looks like there's a ton of it at the edges of the windshield cowl
Was over spray a factory option too though? Cause' it looks like there's a ton of it at the edges of the windshield cowl
Sorta... The black cowl panel was pretty typical on Norwood cars. They weren't too careful about the transition from paint to black. Not necessarily wrong. But I will defer to the greatest of thirdgen experts Mr Whine Carweenie.
Almost feel bad about picking on Wayne for something he had nothing to do with... But I guess that's just the way the ice cream cone melts.
Sorta... The black cowl panel was pretty typical on Norwood cars. They weren't too careful about the transition from paint to black. Not necessarily wrong. But I will defer to the greatest of thirdgen experts Mr Whine Carweenie.
Almost feel bad about picking on Wayne for something he had nothing to do with... But I guess that's just the way the ice cream cone melts.
Watch it! eBay legal is on this! You will soon be unmasked.
Well I'll have you know that my friends and I got together last night on a telecom and all agree that this forum has crossed the line into Defamation...
Well I'll have you know that my friends and I got together last night on a telecom and all agree that this forum has crossed the line into Defamation...
Same color combo & engine as the 87 I owned from 1989-1992. My seats were solid gray cloth & analog gauges. Didn't know you could get the digital dash in a std T/A, or the leather inserts on the seats. Interesting car. I also am one who looks hard for things that don't match up to low mile, orignal claims. Lots of nice legit orignal cars out there, but there are 3x as many imposters.
I Took this picture in 1990 ish. Car had about 35k miles at the time
I don't miss the car, but I do miss how cool it was to me at the time. (if that makes any sense)
That seems like a really strong price for that car. Anyone else agree? That's about $1800 more than I would have paid....
The 'sold' price a used-car brought at sale is an infinitely debatable topic; at least there were two people satisfied in that transaction.
Unless the car were in otherwise excellent condition, both appearance and mechanical-wise, I'd be put off at that price due to the fact that the car needs a complete repaint. Around here, that would be somewhere around $2500-3000 just for paint, more for any body work that was required. Any car that old---regardless of the claimed mileage---is going to need fuel/brake system overhaul, and there's no telling what condition the drive train is in until the new owner puts it on the road it for a while and sees what shakes out. And the fact that there were some mechanical modifications to the car drops it's value IMO.
My conclusion from that dumpster fire is this: If you post something, and one poster out of several replies to it and sounds like an a$$hole, that guy is an a$$hole. If, however, you post something, and everyone who replies sound like a$$holes to you, I've got some bad news--- you're the a$$hole.
LMAO @ some douchebag threatening to bring 'legal action' against random forum posters.
I'm still trying to figure out how he got banned a month after his last post... Him and Steves. Most times you can find where they pee'd off a moderator, like the infamous Ski_dwn_it....
I'm still trying to figure out how he got banned a month after his last post... Him and Steves. Most times you can find where they pee'd off a moderator, like the infamous Ski_dwn_it....
On the OP, there were some ridiculous threats made behind the scenes. Personally I think the mods showed infinite patience. But enough was enough.
On the other, I just happened to login and watched it live. An amazing and almost unbelievable display. He self destructed in less than half an hour over several abusive threads.
Yah the meltdown of Steves was very rapid and was since cleaned up if I'm not mistaken. That guy has other problems he should focus on besides coming here and pushing buttons. As Facebook gets more popular and forum activity decreases(everywhere, not just here), there seem to be fewer idiots here, but maybe that's just my perception. Totally off topic but it would be interesting to hear JTs thoughts on Facebook vs web forums and what the future holds. I think web forums are infinitely better places for information exchange than FB for a host of reasons.
Back on topic, this looked like a nice car, I was surprised it sold for what it did. I scraped and scratched for a year to get $10k for a GTA with nice original paint, T56 and 383 with a super ram. This car sold for nearly $6k and it has a garbage drivetrain and needs a paint job. I just can't figure the thirdgen market out....
As Facebook gets more popular and forum activity decreases(everywhere, not just here)........
.................thoughts on Facebook vs web forums and what the future holds.....
Having been a member, and then a forum moderator for several years on a one-time very large non-automotive-related internet forum, it's all about traffic numbers, and maintaining the highest number possible in order to attract the most advertising dollars. Advertisers spend their $$$ where the most people will see their ads, and that's generally not on 'forums' these days. FB has killed off many a forum in the past few years as traffic, and the advertising dollars it attracts, moved to it. Niche forums such as this one survive because the forum members support it by doing business with it's advertisers. And while I don't have any inside information here (I had plenty at the aforementioned site), I'd guess that this forum will continue to exist as long as that (doing business with the companies who advertise here) continues, and Admin continues to keep this site strictly 3rd-gen tech-related with no off-topic forum additions.
Maybe. I bought my GTA off eBay. The sold price shown there wasn't what i paid. The seller ended the auction after we spoke and negotiated a somewhat lower deal.
As always with ebay auto sales, Caveat Emptor.
look, the car needs a complete repaint.
I 2nd that
