LMSkyliner

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nah! I knew what it was! It's still a cool little car. Should really be a fun driver. I still like the bird better though...


And I need to steal your garage



me and my dad (mostly dad) had a really big personal success today on the car. We got ALL the body lines on the front clip to match up, from door to nose emblem. This is huge because he has been working on just the passenger side fender area for 3 days trying to get it to line up. The hood wasnt lining up with the fender, and the fenders were not lined up with the door, so there were some issues. But today he decided he thought it was close and we started mocking it all up again, and the passenger fender finally fit right with the door. Then we set the hood on and shebam! It fits perfect with the fenders. So now all my lines are straight and even, so we can start sanding etc.

hotrod16105

I like them both equally. Its nice to have variety. Theres only part of the garage in the pics. The part you see is only 1/3 of it. The rest is on the other side of the wall. Its just a gravel floor over there. About 5000 sq. ft. Too bad its full of crap and not mine.

Congrats on getting things lined up. That can be a pain. Now sanding Yippee.

Stippy17

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Eh I already had to do that once to my car, not fun lol. Ill have to do it again, because I need to repaint my Front/Rear Bumper & the Fiberglass Hood I bought along with the Notchback Hatch if I decide to buy that car.

Congrats on getting the front clip all lined up, I know when I trying aligning the Hood I bought I did not have fun lol. Sanding is tiresome, but well worth it in the end.

LMSkyliner

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yea it is not fun at all, but I am really glad it is all finished. Now i can sell the other 5-7 fenders I have laying around . I am pretty excited about your project too. It is going to be a good looking and running car I think. we all need to go to the strip the same day to test our new sh**. We gotta get justin's turbos up and running, your 400 worked out, and my 383 tuned in. That is of course, if me and justin get our act together. I'm alittle worried neither of us will be ready by summer. But if we are, I want to race you! I havn't looked through your build in awhile, but it should be a pretty decent race. If i can manage to get my AFRs and cam in by summer Im hoping for some good numbers. Or maybe you'll just be racing a lamed 383 with intake and full exhaust . We'll see how the checkbook balances though.


and id rather be sanding something i can see than contorting my hand up some random dark sharp pointy hole to reach a bolt that is rusted on

GTAwheelman

good to see you are still going strong on the camaro. myself since it is income tax refund season, i just bought/buying a bunch of parts to get my camaro running better. a new y-pipe, heater core, and blower motor are the major things.

now it wont sound like crap and i will have blowing heat that isnt going to kill me

Stippy17

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Oh yeah we should def. have a meet with all of us at the strip sometime this summer, itd be nice to have a few actually. I need to get my act together to haha, time is counting down and I need to get things ordered and get this thing finished. As long as the funds keep coming in from selling things and working, I should have a running car by the end of May hopefully. I have no problem racing you haha, I plan on running 215cc Aluminum Canfield Heads, .525/.525 Cam, Performer RPM Intake, 750cfm Speed Demon Carb, & 3in. Exhaust. I hope that setup, and the weight Im dropping with a Fiberglass Hood and maybe a Notchback Hatch, will get me into the high 11s. If I run low 12s all day I wont be disappointed for my first build tho.

LMSkyliner

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yea, after looking at your thread, I think i'll leave you alone for now . Your build is coming together much much faster than mine. I think in the end tho, it will be a very good race. We are both looking at high high 11's, low 12s, and about the same wheel numbers (i should have you on torque). But i have been hemmoraging all my extra money here for awhile and havn't been able to put any more in the camaro fund like i had planned, so it is going to take some extra time to get it in top shape... but once it is I'll race ya motor to motor. Pretty sure I'll take you with the bottle though!

Maybe I'll see if hotrod will race. I think his bird did 14 flat last fall?? I should be able to get him. I hope


note: no offense to you man, I just would hope that a half built 383 would be able to keep up with a pretty stock L98

racerquinny

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hey doug, what paint did you use for your wheels, i want to do something similar when it gets warmer. now its a little cold in pa.

hotrod16105

I'll race you. It ran 14.28. Should have been faster. It was definitely running too rich. We tried to burn a chip but the car wouldn't start. I hope to have that taken care of by spring. The car does have a cam and the basic bolt on stuff. We will see.

Orr89RocZ

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yes if i would have remembered to unplug that 9th injector i bet you would have broken into the 13's. we'll get that car running good this year. lets get it on a dyno.. theres one not to far from you in clairton pa. i dont think thats to far from you

LMSkyliner

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I'll ask my dad as soon as I get a chance.. It came in a rattle can though so it wasnt too crazy


Your on!! Should be a good race i think. Unless I get more done than its looking at this point. Then maybe not so good of a race

Any room for me on that dyno? No matter what work I get done this winter, even if I just end up bandaiding it with the L98, I want to get on a dyno and see what I'm really working with here. We should all do a dyno day

LMSkyliner

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edit: wow.. board glitch!

LMSkyliner

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....


maybe it'll automerge??

Stippy17

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I could def. see a dyno day happening. Clairton really isn't too far from all of us. Im only about 20 mins away, and Justin is prolly 35 mins away, Josh 40-45 mins away, and your about 20 mins away aswell.

Orr89RocZ

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its a good middle ground and yes i can do all the fuel injected cars... Carbs i dont know crap about

Anyway, hopefully my car will be done or close to done by then. IF not turbo'd i still want to see what the motor does without boost and tune that first

Stippy17

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Well I am the only one running Carb huh? Only one with a Trans Am too. Come to think about it most of my car is different from everyone else's lol.

Hopefully I can find someone who can help with tuning my carb w/ my engine. My dad can do alot, but its been a long time lol.

Seems like this Summer is going to be really fun if all goes as planned.

Orr89RocZ

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the way things keep going for me, i may be stuck with my old 383 with a bigger cam

turbos are hard to build

Atleast me and the other 383 kid can compete black 383 iroc's going at it should be fun. Wheres my nitrous kit? OOH i sold it already...darn

Stippy17

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You still having the 383 wouldnt be a bad thing for me haha, I could possibly atleast keep with you.

Turbos are hard to build, but itll be well worth it when your done.

Lol at no nitrous kit anymore, just more inspiration to get your other power adders in lol.

LMSkyliner

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Hey I still need a shortblock built or im gonna be the 350 kid for awhile . Ill hit your boost up spray for spray .


I got a carb guy for you. My dad. He used to build/rebuild/tune carbs for his day-day job, and apparently he was really good at it. I believe thats where he got his one nickname, "Doc" from. Carb Doctor i'm assuming. He may be a bit rusty but I bet he could give you a better tune than what you'll start with.

Stippy17

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Sounds good!

LMSkyliner

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mmhm. ill just havta make sure he will volunteer lol. Im sure he wont mind to much because he'll want to be there if we do a dyno day.


what do you guys think i should do with my money.. Should i build my shortblock and maybe cam or exhaust, or should i do heads/intake/cam... Or maybe i should do something else???


also, Happy birthday to me!! I did pretty good car wise. I got my 3.73 posi out of a 2002 blazer if i heard dad right. Hes also promised to get the axles and c-clip elims etc free of charge as a late birthday present. I just gotta find some discs to throw on the end and I'm good to go!

Stippy17

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Well how much do you have to work with? And what do you already have that you can use?

LMSkyliner

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lets see. I got my 3.73 rear. I got a 88' GTAs L98 (complete), a complete Vortec 350 outta a 98 van, my 305. some roller rockers. my dyno don headers and y-pipe, access to GM parts at a discount, and $825 price tag for the FIRST. I got a good machine shop on the line, but don't particularly want to do it. I got about $2000 cash and should have money from a menial minimum wage job for a few hours a week after school. Probably wont add up to much though.

Orr89RocZ

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buy my shortblock

LMSkyliner

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love to...


allowed to is a different story.. Though I am 18 now and i suppose i can do whatever I want, im not going against my dad. He refuses to pay $2000 for it. Sorry man. i know its worth it when u look at it as a new shortblock that cost like $3500 from Golen, but he keeps telling me that its like a new car. Drive it off the lot and its value drops like a rock, no matter the miles. And then he went on about how in this economy he can get complete 383s for $1500, and we cant afford to do a shortblock for $2000.

Orr89RocZ

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Well i understand. But if you can find a complete one as nice as mine for less than 2000 hats off to you

maybe a mild cam/heads L98 is in order for now? Then keep saving for later in the year 383 using same heads? Like buy AFR's now and run them on a L98

LMSkyliner

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not saying i can! just saying what he said. He likes your shortblock he just cant justify the price in todays world...



i was just talking to him. Im thinking something like this if i cant get a shortblock together. take the vortec block, do any little tricks i can to up the compression without new pistons, buy some AFRs, cam, and then try to get the FIRST by spring. Put that together with the RR and maybe the rest of my exhaust and then go from there.

Stippy17

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Well my advice to you is do what you can with what you can.

The way I see it you have 2 options:

1. Build it the way you want the first time, and have no set time limit or budget.

Or

2. Build it with what you can when you can.




By no means the 400 build Im building is the engine I dream about doing with the car. Im building it with what I have, what I can afford, with deals I find, and people that volunteer to help me. Id like to get all kind of machine work done, stroke it, bigger cam, bigger carb, manual tranny, nitrous, etc but I know I cant afford all of that right now so I make do with what I can which is exactly what your doing.

LMSkyliner

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I'm definitely doing #1. well. I mean I would rather do an LS1, but thats not gonna happen any year soon . So as far as what I am capable of doing now, I am doing #1. It's just that I dont know what I should start with. I am only goign to be able to get either the shortblock or the shortblock up done, not both. So what should I do? who knows... /shrug

Orr89RocZ

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If i end up using my 383 i probly will get new crank/rods/pistons. I should just get new pistons and keep the rods/etc but not sure yet.. Would you want my internals?

or hell, i may beable to give you the shortblock for 1500 since i dont think i'll ever sell this motor for what i want and i cant hold it forever. Is 1500 too much?

LMSkyliner

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I'll ask him when I get the chance. I think thats the pricepoint he set as the max hed spend.


You guys see the summit 80% off thing this weekend? I might take a ride up and see if i can find one of these cheap cheap:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...8&autoview=sku

or maybe
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...8&autoview=sku


just to throw in and put the FIRST on top of... any thoughts?? It might only be a $100 cam depending on the sale and if i can find one. Those are 350 cams btw. So they drop a few hundred RPM for a 383 right? like 200 if i remember correctly...

LMSkyliner

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Got alittle more work done yesterday. I had to start on the interior in order to get theside skirts off. That was a pain. The bolts that attatch the seatbelts to the floor of the car in the back were a real pain in the a**. Those suckers were STUCK in there, and did not want to come out. Luckily my dad has a few tricks and they came out soon afterwards.

Other than that, since we finally got the driver fender off (by removing the driver skirt, which we didn't have to do on the passenger side because it broke off......) we decided to mock up the entirety of the front end of the car. Here are the results.





The hood is sitting alittle low i nthe front compared to the fenders, but in this situation that was OK. The bumpstops for the hood were not on the fenders, so it was laying down low to the front. I think once the stops are replaced it will fit pretty seamlessly once adjusted alittle again. Other than that, the lines were very nice and even all around after alittle tweaking, though the front bumper needed adjusted quite a large amount from the stock location. I am wondering why that is, but no big deal because it fit ok with the changes.

also note there were only 4 bolts holding that entire mock up together so there was alot of play in everything that can be adjusted out when its all snug.


Also, heres a better picture of the back work that I got when we opened the garage door (it was above 40 yesterday!! )

LMSkyliner

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My baby is now officially on the schedule to be rolled into the body shop on monday!!! I just gotta do some sanding and then we'll send her down to get some real good primer and then the paint!

19CAMARO85

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cant wait to see it man. keep us posted

hotrod16105

Sounds good. Are you spraying it or did you find someone to do it?

LMSkyliner

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I got a buddy that is gonna do it. He's gonna work out the more difficult waves, pop out the many MANY tiny dings all over (like 20+. nearly impossible to see, but there), put some good good primer on it, and the paint and clear for ~$1500. the shell is going down monday, then the fenders, doors hood bumpers etc will go down separate to get good edges etc.

Sonymaster20

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1500$? Thats really good if he does good work. If It were me and I was painting someones car, I would charge way more than that just because its so much work.

LMSkyliner

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well like i said, he is a buddy. He does nice enough work. Not show quality, but driver quality. He does mostly insurance and crash work. or medium level repaints for a warn out car. That kinda thing. Not exactly a $20,000 paint job void of orange peel and deep as the seas, but definitely not Macco either.

Plus, we took all the panels off, are putting them all back on, are edging most of the car, sanded it ourselves, and removed all the major dents and waves. Thats the REAL crappy work. He just has to pop a few of the harder dents and get to spraying.

heres his work. Our mustang was done from nose to rear by him after mom hit a dear with it, meaning a new nose and fresh paint was in order:




he did the exact same thing for the mustang as he is doing for the camaro, although the mustang was redone almost 10 years ago, and he now has a brand new, and much nicer, shop. So also note that that paint job has 10 years of use on it and has some chips and maybe a stray dent from driving.

hotrod16105

Sounds like a good deal. Thats alot of work for the money. From the look of the mustang i'd say he does good work. If only i had a booth at my place. Still working on that one.

Sonymaster20

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Sounds good. Looks pretty good. Its alot of work though,My whole cars been work just like yours lol full tear down and rebuild.. Good luck and I hope to see more of your car.

LMSkyliner

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Spent all weekend scuffing and sanding the jams and cowl and all those other pesky areas of the car. Turns out the guy wants us to leave the paint on the main shell for now so he can see the waves and dings better. (he plans on having that all fixed this week, so this weekend we are going down with some scuff pads and alot of sanding/prep stuff and finishing the prep to keep $ down.)

butttttt, we turned it around yesterday so it is facing out of the garage, and the painter plans on stopping over tonight with a flatbed and taking her down to the shop! I can't describe how excited I am to see this comign together finally. It's just so cool to do something like this with my own hands, and at such a young age too!

ssean92

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Looking forward to see how it turns out

Stippy17

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I replied to your PM Doug.

LMSkyliner

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yea i saw that, but i didnt like what it said so i ignored it .

I think dad already bought one.. he overpaid for it but i suppose he just wants to get it and move on...


trying to upload a video for you guys.. its pretty interesting and I think you will all like it if i can get it to work lol. even though its nothing important.

edit: really bad video taken with crappy camera. grabbed it spur of the moment and sound quality (and picture quality) sucks. But i was wondering if you guys had ever seen a stripped down car rolling around before.. It looks funny lol. I'll try to video tape it during the day too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bApeplNHoWE

LMSkyliner

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Orr89RocZ

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awesome, cant wait to see it done

Stippy17

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x2

Sick!

So what color is that your going with? Looks almost like a Gunmetal Grey Metallic which is what I wanted to paint my car last year but couldnt find it pre-mixed.

Orr89RocZ

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yeah i thought he was doing black or yellow

hotrod16105

Kinda hard to tell the color from those pics, but it looks pretty. Cant wait to see it.

LMSkyliner

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It's black .

I know it looks gunmetal in allllll my pictures, but it is pitch black in real life. It seems to be a combination of the lighting and my camera. I took a picture of the quarter when it was in black primer, and the primer looks positivly light grey. .

I was invited to come back today to get pictures of the car in the open with all the layers and clear etc on it and hardening, so I fully intend on taking advantage of it.

We are now preparing the other panels for paint and ordering what else we need. I need to find some good stripper for the rubber, but we have scuffing/sanding stuff for the metal. I think i was going to order the Iroc-Z decals from Pheonix Graphix (sp), and all the emblems from that modern muscle place (cheaper than Hawks). GFX stripes are being done at my dad's work because i want non-factory colors.

The last/only thing that i really need to decide is what emblem I am putting on the back. I cannot decide between the "5.0 TunedPortInjection" and "5.7TunedPortInjection". Thoughts??