My *** Crew members. Bot towers of the Wolrd Trade Center and the Pentagon have been hit by airplanes. As of now there's no reports of Casulties although you can gurantee there will be.



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I watched the footage of the second tower being nailed about 20 times so far...

Even if it makes me look like an ****... that shyt is awesome, I want that on a tape!!!

Pentagon got nailed... huge hole in that....
both towers collapsed, and they're sayin another one might collapse...

No airports open... the Columbia Tower in Seattle (summer knows where thats at ifn y'all don't... big tall black glass lookin thing) was evacuated... lot of buildings in the U-District are empty right now...


50,000 people worked in the two towers... my guess? they're lucky if they got 2000 survivors including the ones lucky to get outta the buildings...

 

I dunno it's crazy. One just crashed into the rocky's

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1987 IROC-Z T-Tops wait... GUTTED MAF!

 

Travesty. They are meeting in downtown Seattle right now to determine if all of downtown should be evacuated. 8 of our subcontractors have left the site. It's eeriely quiet here right now.

One plane crashed in the Rockies? I wonder if that is by chance or if it is a hijacked plane. One of them is still missing.

The part of the Pentagon that got hit was under construction, so it wasn't packed full of employees. But quite a few construction workers, I am sure. My Aunt's office is in the Pentagon. Thank *** she wasn't there.

This means war! I knew I should have stayed in the Army. I'm ready for the frontline and I'm not even a soldier.

Can you fathome what detail went into planning this huge attack? To hijack those planes simultaneously and make what happened, happen is an amazing feat. A lot of planning went into this. I can't wait to see the justice put into play.

[This message has been edited by 82Zee28 (edited September 11, 2001).]

 

I can't say *** ? That would be doG bassackwards...

 

Yeah you can't say *** . But ya know the weird thing is that all the hijacked planes were headed for California.

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interesting censor ($50 says its because of me and my usage language...)


Anyway... Summer, Bin Laden is multi-billionaire... I'm sure he had pilots under his payroll and told them "Yanno ... ifn you do this for me... your families are set for life wherever they want to live, whatever they want, its theirs" ...

Lotta planning into it... but that basically would be all it boils down to...

What an interesting thing to wake up to...

Bush literally said "seek and destroy" ... this is gonna be an interesting year

 

Space Needle is shut down

 

I don't think they intended to head to Cali. I think the plane being full of fuel for a long flight to CA was important in their decision to hijack them. The more fuel, the bigger the explosion. Flying, human bomb.

That, and how ironic that they orchastrated hijacking them in such close time constraints.

[This message has been edited by 82Zee28 (edited September 11, 2001).]

 

That's what I"m saying. All the planes where destined for California. But they were hijacked for a reason. I don't think it was american pilots that did this. I hope retribution is swift and painful. An Eye for an eye...

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1987 IROC-Z T-Tops wait... GUTTED MAF!

 

I think what John meant was that the flights original destination was actually to be Cali (I think?)

 

Yup. That was their destination. I highly doubt any American pilot was involved. I was thinking earlier, if I was a pilot in that situation, knowing I was going to kill all of the people on my plane while taking out the WTC, I would have tried to crash elsewhere...

Maybe that's what happened inthe Rockies? They could have been on their way here.

 

So John... does that mean we should kill 12,000 some odd palistinians or arabs or whatever? (if so, I support that and hope we can atleast get twice as many as they got for us ...)

But then again I'm a twisted person and I have differing viws not many people would like so I'm keeping them to myself

 

That's exactly what I was meaning. 3 to LA and 1 to SF. I just htink it's an interesting Coincidence.

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I totally agree. Take em out. If they don't like the price they WILL pay for living in that craphole of a country, then they should have started their visa process to the US a long time ago.

Let em fry!

 

Yes it does Demon, Yes it does, They kill ours we need to wipe them off the earth. As a japanese pilot said when they bombed pearl harbor "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant" You can bet the people responsible will be thinking that as well.

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1987 IROC-Z T-Tops wait... GUTTED MAF!

 

The public's opinion of how justice should be dealt is not in the public's hands for a reason.

I understand everyone's feelings, but is bringing death and destruction to an entire race of people because of the actions of extremists the solution?

And to people with the above, arrogant attitude: you disgust me. I am ashamed to think that I even belong to a race in which I am associated with the likes of thinking that genocide is an appropriate punishment to hand out due to the actions of a few.

It is the arrogance of humankind that will lead to our own destruction.

[This message has been edited by The Dirty Bird! (edited September 11, 2001).]

 

I hardly think my post says anything about the destruction of an entire race. No, the destruction of the ones responsible. an eye for an eye. How many acts of senseless violence does it take before the U.S. retaliates? How many tiems have we been bombed or attacked by terrorists just to say "Oh don't do it again or you'll get it!" Over and over again. that's why these terrorists think they can win. They think that we won't do anything. And if bush's earlier comments hold true, woe be to those responsible. "You can rest assured that we will hunt down and punish those responsible" American President George Bush

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1987 IROC-Z T-Tops wait... GUTTED MAF!

 

Did I say I was talking to you? No.

Was I addressing you? No.

I did not quote you, so please assume that I am not talking about you. If I had wanted to quote you, I would have done so in the correct fashion.

But since you do insist on proving that I quoted you, let's do...

You say you want "an eye for an eye." If X number of American civilians die in a terrorist act in a non-military setting, do we suddenly have a divine blessing to drop a nuclear bomb on Mecca (well, it's not a military installation, why not?) and kill Y amount of people (assuming Y is about equal to the amount specified in X), just because revenge is the right thing to do?

Oh, this doesn't qualify as genocide? Feel free to elaborate on what you describe as "wip[ing] them off the earth", because your words are surely pointing towards genocide.

 

In a nutshell, I don't care how punishment is dealt out.

Punish the guilty ones, but don't take innocent ones with you.

 

Doesn't it also say those responsible? I'm not going to argue with you because it doesn't matter that much. niether of us have any say in anything that will come to pass. If you don't like what this post is saying, or you think it's saying, then don't post and don't read.

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1987 IROC-Z T-Tops wait... GUTTED MAF!

 

Perhaps you should practice what you preach.

 

I made this post I can do what I wish.

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1987 IROC-Z T-Tops wait... GUTTED MAF!

 

Oh, the "I did it first" excuse. How mature.

Well, I can make posts too, and I just did, so does that mean I can do what I wish too?

 

hehe you two are funny...

I was going to post something... but... I think I'll wait for a few...

Lets just say since everyone is putting their thoughts on the table... I shall do so with mine, and it will reflect negatively upon me and more than likely **** everyone off...

And yes... even with this kind of subject... I do not change my views, I do not hold back, so for those of you who know me even just a little bit... if you expect something bad from what I may post soon... you might wanna stop reading when I do post it...

Having said that.... I'll wait to see how this thing with Jason and John pans out before I do post it

 

Simple, when you find out who did it, nuke 'em.

 

I could care less with what Dirty Bird says about my views. I hope we find who's responsible and destroy them. If civilians die then so be it. It is war. Innocent people di ein wars it's inevitable. I'm done arguing.

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Thank *** i live in Canada,Canada will never get bombed ,because people love us.Their is a reason people sew canadian flags on their backpacks when they go travelling"so they don't get shot".I feel sorry for every person that was killed but some of these Terrorists have been trained by the US.US has in the past supported Dictatorships and trained their soldiers to fight countries that The u.s doesn't like.

When Iraq and Iran were at war The U.S trained Iraqi soldiers,then the same guys they trained turned on them when US and Iraq went to war. American Foreign policy needs to change or they will get rammed up the a.s.s over and over again.I just heard that speech that Bush just gave what a crock of ****,Superiorattitudes like that is why you get bombed in the first place.

On another note i still have my car,the deal fell threw so it's still for sale

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High Flow Cat,
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Dynomax Super turbo Muffler
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Man I thought the Crew was better than that. "Oh gosh Canada is so much better" That's bull****. ALl you canadians get the f.u.c.k. out of the crew if that's how you feel. f.u.c.k. you all. bastards

 

I never said we were better we just have a more likable views towards the world.We are peacekeepers ,you are enforcers.

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kn filter
High Flow Cat,
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Dynomax Super turbo Muffler
TB Coolant bypass
Lubricated by Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic

 

Ok I'm going to post what I did before... theres been plenty of time to mull over whether or not you wanna read it... so if you read it and get offended... thats your problem not mine

The follwing post by me is going to reflect VERY negatively on me... and theres a 99% chance it'll **** everyone off ... so if you don't care to see my views or my thoughts, don't read further














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It's all a bunch of religious bullshyt that started the whole damned thing ...

He screws with us for a few years... we can turn around and screw with him and end it quickly.

I'm glad Bush has the ***** to back his statements up... I'm also glad that he has the ***** to make those statements in the first place...

If it ends up being mass genocide... so be it... they supported one mans cause they deserve to go down with him... 98% of the ones who'll die if it happens, civilian or not, support it in one way or another... and lets face it... the guy has more money than the whole country and its government combined... he can get that kinda shyt done so they'll support it... I don't care, kill whoever, lol

Those of you who know me know I don't give a damn about religion ... so without further ado... I give you something that will more than likely strike anger in your hearts towards me and promote negative feelings... but since everything is being put out on the table I feel I may as well do it too...

If you don't want to see it, I suggest you stop reading ... I also suggest you keep in mind that I have a twisted sense of humor...

Call me sick
Call me twisted
Call me a complete nutcase
Call me coldhearted
Call me someone who doesn't really care
Just please don't go off on a rant about how I position myself in life and do what I choose instead of doing what others choose...

It might be mean, it might be wrong, it might be the truth, hell it might even be what a lot of other people feel towards it...

But hey, more or less, take it as a lighthearted joke in a time of darkness (if thats how you'd like to view this whole situation)

You knew this was coming ...
http://members.aol.com/xxchaoslordxx/where.jpg

No, I do not feel sad for what happened
No, I don't really care either...
Yes, I enjoyed watching them reply the second plane slam through that building and burst into flames dozens of times from different angles

Life is too damned short to be feeling sorry for people who died, theres no point in being sad for something that you had no control over in the first place

What happened happened, if the President seeks retribution for it, fine, good, I don't care... Kill thousands of people, just leave me the hell alone and don't bug me to go kill someone I have nothing against in the first place aside from religious views.

My only regret is this:

I wasn't there to see it in person on a rooftop ... I would have liked to watch that... I consider it a once in a lifetime opportunity missed ...

:: shrug ::

 

Sorry to say this, but those days are long gone. The old Canadian Flag on the backpack may have worked in Europe in the 70s, but not today. Today, many of these fanatics only view of Canada is an easy place for them to get in and then sneak into the U.S. They could care less if Canadian's is killed along with the Americans. I'm sure they feel good riddance.

All I say, is that if I ever get caught in a hi-jacking, I'm going to try and jump them; because if I don't, I will be dead anyways.

 

Where is the Respect for one another here. Sure this is a place to let your mind be heard, but as everyone can see, some people here are upset and pissed off. For all the other Canadians, what would it be like if they destroyed the CN Tower or something similar?

but IMHO, lets just move on and fix the situation.

"All I say, is that if I ever get caught in a hi-jacking, I'm going to try and jump them; because if I don't, I will be dead anyways."-Couldn't have said it better man


[This message has been edited by F-BOY (edited September 11, 2001).]

 

You people are such a dissapointment to me. (you know who you are, if it's not you don't be offended) I was hoping this post would be a place that we could all express our disbelief and shock, but we can't do that can we? SO far you people can't can't even agree that is's a sad occurance. What the hell type of crew are we when we can't even keep attitudes in check towards eachother in a time like this. America is no better than Canada, and Canada is no better than America.

For the record, my wifes canadian and I'm american, anybody want to say how much better or worse she is than me?

Demon, the only thing that pissed me off about that post was your choice of where to place it.
I know, you don't care.

 

What I'm pissed off about is Andy and Stormshadow are saying. America didn't deserve it. 18,000 people didn't deserve it. If you don't like America ANdy and Stormshadow get the hell off this board get out of the crew. We don't want people that act like you.

 

I try to stay out of political issues but I must say a few words here. We are all here becuase we share a love for thirdgen's and after meeting many of you guys and talking to you guys online it has become quite obvious that we are a like in many many more ways than our choice of vehicle to use as daily drives or hot rods and the like... Why all the bickering?? Something like this effects more than just the US, and unfortunatly it will more than likely happen elsewhere in some form or another. I would hope that we could all be reasonable adults and have civilized discussions but that doesn't seem to happen all the time, especially on major issues

Well said man, well said...

We have always been the best crew, and I believe the only crew with a large group of Canadians actively involved in it. The site may be hosted and ran from the US but it is not a US only board/club. Its been so fun, why let unfortunate events crumble and degrade our crew, bring unwanted and unecessary fighting with in our members? it may sound cheesy but: Can't we all just get along?

And guys; please stop using spaces, underscores, periods, dashes, italics, bold, underline, or anything like it to bypass the swear filter. We can get the idea with *'s

Jess

 

The thing that I do not understand is that in hard times, your friends stick together and support one another. I am disgusted with the lack of support and negitive attitude of our "friends up north"! And if you did not read my post on DeathZ's post, my best friend works for Otis Elevator co. and he has an office on the 47th floor of that building. I have been unable to contact him via email, or lan line. I fear the worst yet do not know the outcome? I am really disipointed in a particual group of thirdgen members If it were to have happend in Canada YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE US WOULD BE SENDING MONEY AND AID TO HELP! Therefore, If these thirdgen members continue to Bash our country and have no positive things to say.....Let them start their own thridgen

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...

I don't agree with it being a sad thing because thats how I am... I was talking to Doug about it earlier and I know he doesn't agree with my view on this, and thats fine... I didn't expect anyone to share my views on this situation at all, and actually I expected more responses, but oh well ... my post wouldn't have fit in anywhere, but since john and everyone put it all out, I decided I may as well too. Might have been oddly timed, but what the hell isn't anymore.


Now onto the Canadian views... they're allowed to say what they will... They always will be a part of Cascade, its non-negotiable ... Only 4 canadians of 10 or more have posted... all of which have varying views and all of which are different...

Just because a person expresses their feelings is no reason to tell em to get the ƒuck off the board or to get the ƒuck out of cascade ... that is more unlike cascade members than ANYTHING ELSE ...

We don't judge and tell people to bugger off just by a few posts, no matter WHAT the situation may be...

Not everyone has to be sorry or afraid because of this... everyone has their own beliefs, experiences, knowledge and whatever else...

A lot of people don't know Andy that well... and thats fine, he speaks his mind and I see his point in what he said...

Doesn't mean everyone has to like it... I know not many people cared for mine, thats just how it is... everyone has the freedom to post what they like when they like... no one can stop that ... and just because they're from Canadia doesn't make them any different as a person in Cascade.

Shyt happens, everyone has to live with it, end of story.

 

Then they should act like part of this crew and like friends and offer sympathy not bitch and say it was coming. Canada is not a peace keeper it just sits there. Confined in it's own little borders helping only when the UN decides to. And, frankly, when it comes to U.N., U.S.A. acts and the rest follow.

 

Personal decency, integrity, morality, and political beliefs, are open to disussion only within defined bounds. Ideals outside those bounds can be measured and judged against an absolute truth which is not negotiable nor relative. People are entitled to personal opinion but that does not imply that the opinion must be accepted. When you go outside the bounds of acceptability you no longer are entitled to equal treatment. I firmly stand with Craiger. Those with cold hearts and highly unfavorable views towards the USA are not welcome in the Crew. I'm suprised that only a few people are willing to take this stand.

 

Sympathy should never be an act... if it cannot be offered sincerely, then its either not worth giving or receiving is it?

Like it or not, they ARE part of this crew, and just because some of them have different views than you, do not start a damned fight over it because when you express your views they can and will do the same and it will be no better than what you're doing now...

It probably was coming... its the perfect time... they screwed with clinton countless times because he wouldn't do anything about it ... now we have someone new and who is generally viewed as incompetent as far as presidents go by quite a few counties...

Not all Canadians have to agree with our lifestyle and not all of them have to like or even care about what happens here... but no matter what they're allowed to express their views.

If it happened to Canada... I'm fairly sure a lot of the same people bashing on them for saying what they did would more than likely do the same were the tables reversed... (And don't tell me there isn't anyone who would do it... Americans are 50 times the *******s than Canadians are most of the time)

Thats just my views (again) ...
Personally I think everyone has valid points... and yanno what? I don't disagree with much of either of anyones posts right now that was said until it got to the point of actually attacking your own cascade members...

 

Once again, I was watching the news and something really made me choke up. I could care less if it happened in Canada USA or BF Egypt. In the madness of the attack, a huge cloud of debris came chasing a croud of people as the tower came down. On film a man holding his infant...INFANT! and thousands of innocent people murdered. I am is disbeleif with some of your cold hearted attitudes. Like I stated before, I KNOW FOR A FACT, IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN IN CANADA, THE USA WOULD BE SENDING MEDICAL AID AND MONEY TO H E L P ! AND YET YOU DISRESPECT US, OUR FAMILIES. Quick trip is right, this board is open to all discussions but many of you have crossed the line! Just watch the news, look at all of those innocent people, loss of loved ones. I will most likley be there in a few days since I am a Paramedic and am on a disaster responce team. Maybe I'll take my digital camera for some real footage? If i go that is...Let our prayers be for the many of victims and the lives, families, and friends they left behind.

 

Then they shouldn't be attacking the American people or Country. Like it or not You live in America Aaron. I still stand firmly that if they want to bash on America and act as they are then this place does not need them. I'm not blaming all canadian's I'm not saying that is how they all feel because I know it's not. But of Andy and Stormshadow are going to act like ****** and **** then **** them and they can leave until everyone cools down or this blows over. yes they are entitled to post they're opinions but those entitlements come within certain boundries which they have stepped over. There is a such thing as freedom of speech but only to an extent.

 

yes, and while living in america, I speak my mind when I see fit, I do not constrain myself with boundaries even though stepping over them may or may not **** people off (I'm sure when I do, it does, but not many people have said so lol)

If they have boundaries, you do as well, no one set up any boundaries to begin with, if they had maybe a lot of this wouldn't have been posted...

They also have differing boundaries... they are not required by any law or whathave you as to where they cannot express themselves...

You can't tell them how to feel or what to post anymore than I or they can't tell you how to feel or what to post... not everyone has to feel badly about what happened...

Rethink the boundaries you set for people, because until they're aware of said boundaries, they'll continue to step over them... and just remember, everyone has different boundaries so don't step over others when making your own...

Maybe this thread should be locked... its not doing any of us any good

(Just to make it tech... MUFFLER!!!)

 

I have very little to say except i said i felt bad about the innocent people dying.

Aaron looks like me and you can finally agree on something.Progress is great isn't it

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We all have boundries... as humans we have boundries... and a lot of the moral boundries that should NEVER be crossed have been crossed.

This is war... even the EU said this is a deffinate act of war against the US... which means against a hell of a lot more then just the US. Innocent people have already died... and you are saying we musn't kill more to stop this ****? We say find 15 people guilty... wack them, whatever... what happens when someone else gets pissed? They see the US having 5 digits of people killed and retaliate with 15... ****.. thats a good ratio... at that ratio Cuba could destroy the US. What more do we really need before this NEEDS to be stopped?

 

This is a horrible thing that has happened. My roommate and I drove home from UBC to watch the news on what was happening.

A couple of thoughts that I had:

It was amazing how the building collapsed. This wasn't a random thing. My dad took me to several building implosions when I was a kid and explained it all to me. Apparently the WTC is built to collapse in on itself, to avoid toppling and destroying other buildings. I think that the terrorists knew this, and this is why they aimed the airliners (which were full of jet fuel to go to the West Coast) where they did... the top half of the building is damaged, weakened by fire, and it takes out the bottom half of the building from the collapse. This must have taken a lot of planning, with blueprints of the buildings, and engineers to analyze it.

Who are the suspects behind it?

My first thought was Osama bin Laden, I mean, he's got enough money from the CIA funding him in the 80's, he probably has the tech to do it. He's probably got enough people willing to do it, but they didn't claim to do it. Strange, becuase usually the suicide bombers are treated like heroes.
Anti-capitalists, like the WTO protestors? I don't think they have that kind of disregard for human life. I don't think they would have the combat skills or the piloting skills to do it.

Ex-military US citizens? It's almost a movie plot the way it worked out, except the bad guys won. But it could be ex-mil guys, like McVeigh, because they might have the combat skills and the piloting skills to do it. Remember, everyone assumed it was Arabs that bombed the OKC builing, but they were wrong.

I'm assuming the terrorists were the ones piloting the plane, since I'm sure no actual pilot would do this, even with a knife to his throat. They would have all ditched the planes like the one in PENN if they had the chance.

One thing I did hear, which would be really important, is that a stewardess called from a cell phone with the seat number of one of the terrorists. This could really help the investigation.

Peace.

 

One thing that is important to note that since this board and it's server are housed by the U.S. it is under U.S. Jurisdiction for everything. Including speech so Technically Everyone posting here regardless of where or whom they are, is under U.S. law restrictions. That's just a side note. Alex, You are right. They said that the towers should not have collapsed at all and they think there were secondary bombs planted on lower levels. Right after world war 2 a hijacked jet crashed into the Empire state building and it did not collapse. The WTC is supposed to be newer safer better architectual technology and that just because it lost those floors it should not have collapsed. They're saying either bombs or the fuel from the jets leaked down and caused secondary explosions.


Oh so this post is tech my IROC is a piece of crap.

[This message has been edited by JohnnyIROC-Z (edited September 12, 2001).]

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Demon Z28:
so if you read it and get offended... thats your problem not mine

The follwing post by me is going to reflect VERY negatively on me... and theres a 99% chance it'll **** everyone off ... so if you don't care to see my views or my thoughts, don't read further

Aaron, you make this statement several times in different ways. Are you hoping for some mass rage of response?? I don't think you are going to get it...

so without further ado... I give you something that will more than likely strike anger in your hearts towards me and promote negative feelings... but since everything is being put out on the table I feel I may as well do it too...
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That was totally juvenile and was done with no other purpose than to appease your selfishness and offend those of your crew that you know feel indifferent.

Life is too damned short to be feeling sorry for people who died, theres no point in being sad for something that you had no control over in the first place

Hmmm...I recall your feeling very sad and depressed in February when the anniversary of the death of your Uncle came. How hippocritical of you.


And Jesse asked you to not bypass the swear filter. Can you not respect the request our fellow moderating crew member as repeatedly asked of us on numerous occasions? This is not 3GO, Aaron.



[This message has been edited by 82Zee28 (edited September 12, 2001).]

 

Hehe, she called you a troll.