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okay... when I was growing up my big brother had a 86 iroc-z 305 with a super chip in the computer that made it run low 10s in the 1/4 mile it would burry the speedometer getting on the highway onramps is how fast it was.. I want another one of these but you wont ever find them again sadly so i told my parents i wanted a 89 iroc-z z28 with the 350 tpi. But they said i could get a 2000 ls1 z28 ss camaro with the 350 in it to and it would be faster. I dont know which is better. Which one is faster accelerating and more top speed?

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#1..A 10 second chipped 305? Sorry, but your brother was LIEING to you....

#2, the 4th gens are WAY faster stock. Even a modded 3rd gen barely gets as fast, unless the mods are GOOD.

You simply wants fast? Buy a 4th gen.
You fast AND good looks? Buy a 3rd gen & put a 4th gen LS1 in it....

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the car had more than just a super chip in it though i cant really remember what else it had i was only 8 when we got it =/ I had to call my brother to find out what he remembers it had in it.. he said he could only remember that it had a L88 LE corvette motor in it with the tpi + super chip it had headers and flow master exhausts. It might have had a cam in it he couldnt remember. it had so much power on a rainy day if you go from park to drive without hitting the gas at all like your regularly shifting it you would chirp the tires. I dont know you guys probably know a lot more about this stuff than I ever would I dont want a firebird im a die hard camaro fan =)

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Sounds like a little white lie. What he probably meant was 13's or 14's in the 1/4 or maybe 10 sec in the 1/8 IDK

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look at my sig for 4th gen numbers, the times I ran where with a slipping trans

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Wow that's a good story that your brother told you lol. L88 was a very rare big block engine from the late 60's so yeah not a 305.

4th gen will be faster stock for stock and mod for mod. A good running L98 3rd gen can hang with the 4th gens on the bottom end but they will get walked pretty hard up top. With that said, a super clean Iroc or 91-92 Z28 is more of head turner imo. Or you could always just get both. :)

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well.. for the price your going to pay for a 2000 ls1 car (im guessing anywhere between 8-11 grand??
you can find a third gen for a grand put 6 into it and then tear ls1's up.. the car in my sig has 4 grand in engine 2 in drivetrain and around 350 in suspension.. pulling mid-low 12s depending on witch tires im on. stock ss camaros dont hang with me even on the street with my 3 speed. the ws6 runs about 1 length behind from 30 rolls... it all depends on how much work you want to do.. if thats none at all get a 4th gen if you want to tell ppl you made your car what it is on your own do it the way i did

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nevermind the camaro having a 305 it was a l88 le motor not a motor that came with the car it was swapped out of a corvette into the camaro for drag racing purposes. it did run low 10s because the motor was built for it. Seeing as how light a camaro is i wouldnt doubt it. I decided i would get a 4th gen if i can find one for 5k if not ill stick to my iroc dreams =).

Thanks for your help on such short notice I doubt the camaro we had back in the day even moves anymore lol.

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i seriously doubt you will find a ls1 4th gen for 5 grand.. even here in colorado where weather bodes unwell for muscle cars the market is 8-11 like i said.. more for the low miled and slightly built ones.. now you could find a lt1 4th gen quite easily i see those for 3-4 grand all the time

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I would love to know the combo in the 305 that runs low 10's.

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Actually ebay just checked yesterday had a pretty good ls1 4th gen for 5 grand starting bid >.> There is actually a 1978 Recently Restored and very good looking L-48 Corvette up here in ohio for 7800$ that my parents are looking into.
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it was originally a 305 car but the motor was swapped for a L88 corvette motor the only specs we have on the corvette motor was that it had a cam in it with some other basic stuff for drag racing like headers

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and LS1's aren't 350s

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Here in Southern CA i've came across a few ls1 4th gens for under 5 grand. But most of them are high mileage and a little beat up.

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Theres a ls1 4th gen around me for 5 grand its a formula bird has like 80k on it and put out 313 whp and 333ftlbs just had hit a deer and the body was fixed needs paint its pretty nice

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http://www.bocchicchio.com/98ss/ls1info.htm

Ls1s are 350s
I dont know what LS2s are but Ls1s are 350s and Ls7 is a 7.0 which i think is either 454 or 427? I think its a 427 i dont know much about these LS motors I dont know much about these liters either i wish theyd go back to putting SS 350 on camaros and corvettes really not... SS Camaro doesnt even give a motor size it could be a v6 camaro ss =/
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yea looking around i think i can wait until i find just that right one you know...When I aint got the money for a car it just comes out of no where and when I do have the money for it it seems like the price raises =/ just my luck i guess

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I want to say they are 346 ci

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You should read the info in the link you provide before you provide it :idiot:

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ok i will rephrase this then... i seriously doubt you will find a well maintained ls1 car for under 8 grand I.E. not been in a wreck and deent miles.. also 5 grand is on a BID someone who has more money and really wants the car will try and out bid you pushing up to above or at the range i suggested earlier.

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LS1 is a 346, might as well be a 350, close a damn nough.

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yeah but the boreXstroke is all different.

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He said ls1 wasnt a 350.. I gave him proof a LS1 is equal to a 5.7L even though it says its a 346.. its just a 350 anyways

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But your link is wrong....The LS1 bore x stroke actually equals 346.

So no...The LS1 isn't a "350"...Its a 346.

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and still makes a hell of a lot of power

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its called rounding

346 in³ = 5.66992 L

Almost every manufacture rounds a number like this up--so 5.7L!


Fords 5.0 was really 4.9L though....it was something 4940 CC (cubic centimeters)

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Amen, brother....

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how is it a 350 anyways when it's 346 cubes?

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It really sounds like you should be looking at a V6. You are obviously pretty young and you don't need anything that fast to begin with. Work your way up to the power.

And a little research and comprehension go a long way.

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im 18.. i daily drive a mid 12 car and have a solid 12 second backup.. been through 2 under 14 second third gens befor my current.. age doesnt mean much if you know what your doing.

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That was meant for the original poster, not you. You're right, it doesn't matter if you know what you are doing. But to jump in a fast car is asking for trouble when you first start to drive.

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To quote all of you about the 346 not being a 350 I think you all need to open your eyes and race a Ls1 and a normal 350 camaro and tell me if there is even a difference between the drag times.

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Right now I drive a 1978 Chevy 1/2 ton with a 350 4 BBL and a mild cam in it with who knows what else because it was built for one thing. Mud Racing. It has a 8 inch lift on it with 38 inch Super Swamper TSLBogger Tires on it and I drive it every monday through friday to school and back I get 6 MPG and I can run over a Mazda and not even know it. Every morning at 6 am I have to start it up and believe me I wake up the nieghborhood. I can put you in the passenger seat and make sh** run clear to your ankles. Dont tell me I need something slower because I wanna go faster at this point now that I know what 0 to 60 in 5 seconds feels like. Right now im putting a transmission in it so I havent had time to comment all of you but to let you know about my camaro searching I think my dad might buy me that 79 corvette L 48 sitting down the road.

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[QUOTE=frostbite;3977346]To quote all of you about the 346 not being a 350 I think you all need to open your eyes and race a Ls1 and a normal 350 camaro and tell me if there is even a difference between the drag times.[/QUOTE

I have no clue what your talking about.

What's a "normal 350 Camaro"? what year?

We, the people who say its a 346 are 100% correct. Were not talking about any specific times.

GEN 3 LS1 5.7L 3.90" x 3.62= 346 CID or 5.66L--rounded up 5.7

GEN 1 4.00X3.48 = 350 CID or 5.73 L -rounded down 5.7

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yes you sound very young....and i buaght my car at 17 put 3-4k into it ALL myself hard earned money in it(40 hours a week)...my dad help me b/c he is much wiser then me...but finacialy i did my car


maybe if kids paid for there own cars..they woundt abuse them or wreck them as much


oh....i forget to mention im 18 now


so i hate when i hear...."my dad might buy me this corvette"

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:iagree: i worked the whole summer doing construction and bought two camaro's a 90 rs with a v6 and an 81 z 28 over the winter i am dropping a 350 in the rs

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What did you do for work? My dad owns a semi trucking business and a housing business. I grease his semi for him when he asks me too. I help him with the houses we gotta build and fix up for money. Know why my dad bought me this nice truck? Because every week its washed and waxed and swept out. Its in better condition than what we got it in. He buys me this stuff because I help him and whatever he gets me I take care of. If any other kid my age got this truck I own right now it would have been rolled on its side in a ditch in the snow by now or stuck in a mud hole. Not my truck I take care of my stuff dont tell me I sound young because I hate it when people try to tell me Im too young or too inexperienced because the only way you learn how to do stuff the right way is to do it yourself. If he buys this corvette you really think hes not going to drive it too? Lets say he doesent buy me it lets say he gets me another sports car like a ls1 firebird 6 speed. Whenever I wreck that into a tree because im being too careless then maybe ill learn next time I try to take a turn at 110 MPH.
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[quote=avro206;3977483]All your doing is telling me what the other guys are. A normal 350 Camaro meaning a plain 5.7L camaro ss not a LS1. If you get out of a Ls1 Camaro and jump in the regular 350 camaro ss I doubt you could tell the difference even if you tried. If anything the LS1 would be faster because most of them come with Ram-Air Options and High Performance Rear Ends. I just looked at a Ls1 Trans Am today WS6 Package and all.

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I guess you mean a first gen SS, since there were no third gen SS cars.

No, a LS1 would have the old school camaro it's ***. And so will my V6 Buick.

My LS1 ran 13.2 bone stock, 12.97 with nittos/lid/exhaust, and 11.73 with full bolt-ons (stock heads/cam, no power adder)

Third gen cars run in the 14's normally.

Old school muscle cars are 14's, 13's for the very fast ones.

And yes, it is a 346. But 5.7 covers it.

Ed

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Here is the way it works!
You are either a 3rd gen fan or you are not!
If you have to ask which to buy, 3rd or 4th, then your not a 3rd kind of guy and you are better off with a car you are not going to have to do any work on.

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I would buy the 4th gen if your looking to go faster. I love my 3rd gen but I can't deny how fast an LS1 is and mod for mod it beats the older style 5.7 theres some cam and heads LS1's running low 10's N/A and most full exhaust LS1 F-bodies run a 12.6 to 12.8 on a good run on street tires. You can still make a 3rd gen fast though it'll just be alot more work.

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I think he thinks 4th gens come with "350s" and some have the LS1 "VETTE ENGINES!!!!" if this is what you are thinking lil guy, go away!!! all 98-02 camaros come with 1 of 2 engines either a 3.8L V6 or for the Z28s and SS the LS1 346CID V8 that is shared with the vette.... the only "SS 350" camaros are from 67-72 and those ran 15 second 1/4 miles stock, the 98-02 SS and Z28s run mid low 13s stock!!! they would feel nothing alike if u "get out of a LS1 Camaro and jump into a regular 350 camaro" LS1 camaros put out crazy amounts of power and have very lil if anything in common with the classic Small block chevy 350.....

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This is a little off topic but i don't know much about 4th gens so do they have the same frame as 3rd gens or are they weaker or stronger?

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Both unibodies. Same style, but not the SAME. Not interchangeable at all.

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so the 4th gen can't handle any more than a 3rd gen can?

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Define "handle"...The rear axle is wider, effectively giving it a wider foot print.

The wheelbase is about the same.

And the front suspension is a totally different design. And most experienced roadracers will say...The 3rd gen design handles better, but I'm sure others might say their 4th gens have a better handling design. Both are so close, it depends more on the driver than the suspension.

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i mean can the frame handle a stronger motor than the third gen

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This whole topic is off topic at this point its just becoming a big arguement against me. There is a regular 100% plain 4th gen camaro sitting out at my school it does not have 1 single badge on it saying what motor is in it. The kid says his dad bought the car brand new it came with a 5.7L motor the dealership even says its not a LS motor its a regular 350 chevy. That is the ONLY 4th gen v8 camaro out there so I dont have anyway of looking at a LS motor to see if theyre different. When I said jump from a LS1 to a 350 I would think there is regular 350 camaros out there but I guess not if you want to say there isnt its not like I have anyway of knowing.

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No..They are both, essentially, weak. Bothe cars need subframe connectors at the least. Hell....A STOCK 3rd or 4th gen should have subframe connectors.

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Pretty simple really....LS looks like THIS and a LT1 looks like THIS

Both cars have totally different front ends...No need to even open the hood.....LS1 car ...... LT1 car

Which nose does the car have?

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NO 98-02 CAMARO CAME WITH ANY V8 ENGINE STOCK THAT WAS NOT AN LS1.... LS1 are considered 5.7l v8. but that doesnt mean they are the 350 of old. Chevy made a 5.7, Dodge made a 5.7, Toyota makes a 5.7, just cause its a 5.7l v8 doesnt mean its a 350....your buddies v8 camaro at school if it is a 98-02 im willing to bet my car that it has a LS1 V8 in it, they probably just pulled the badges off........ So original topic, 3rd gens look better, 4th gens perform better big time. But you can have best of both worlds and buy a third gen with an LS1 engine swap.....the only way your buddy has a v8 4th gen camaro without an LS1 stock is if its a 93-97 those had LT1s wich are a gen 2 small block chevy........

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yeah i've been looking into subframe connectors for my RS... anyway thanks for the info.

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You could install double SFCs, if you think you need that much extra strength.

Get one set that goes outwards, along the rockers & another set that goes inwards, more towards the tranny tunnel.