3rd gen vs 4th gen
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okay... when I was growing up my big brother had a 86 iroc-z 305 with a super chip in the computer that made it run low 10s in the 1/4 mile it would burry the speedometer getting on the highway onramps is how fast it was.. I want another one of these but you wont ever find them again sadly so i told my parents i wanted a 89 iroc-z z28 with the 350 tpi. But they said i could get a 2000 ls1 z28 ss camaro with the 350 in it to and it would be faster. I dont know which is better. Which one is faster accelerating and more top speed?
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
#1..A 10 second chipped 305? Sorry, but your brother was LIEING to you....
#2, the 4th gens are WAY faster stock. Even a modded 3rd gen barely gets as fast, unless the mods are GOOD.
You simply wants fast? Buy a 4th gen.
You fast AND good looks? Buy a 3rd gen & put a 4th gen LS1 in it....
#2, the 4th gens are WAY faster stock. Even a modded 3rd gen barely gets as fast, unless the mods are GOOD.
You simply wants fast? Buy a 4th gen.
You fast AND good looks? Buy a 3rd gen & put a 4th gen LS1 in it....
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the car had more than just a super chip in it though i cant really remember what else it had i was only 8 when we got it =/ I had to call my brother to find out what he remembers it had in it.. he said he could only remember that it had a L88 LE corvette motor in it with the tpi + super chip it had headers and flow master exhausts. It might have had a cam in it he couldnt remember. it had so much power on a rainy day if you go from park to drive without hitting the gas at all like your regularly shifting it you would chirp the tires. I dont know you guys probably know a lot more about this stuff than I ever would I dont want a firebird im a die hard camaro fan =)
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Sounds like a little white lie. What he probably meant was 13's or 14's in the 1/4 or maybe 10 sec in the 1/8 IDK
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
Wow that's a good story that your brother told you lol. L88 was a very rare big block engine from the late 60's so yeah not a 305.
4th gen will be faster stock for stock and mod for mod. A good running L98 3rd gen can hang with the 4th gens on the bottom end but they will get walked pretty hard up top. With that said, a super clean Iroc or 91-92 Z28 is more of head turner imo. Or you could always just get both.
4th gen will be faster stock for stock and mod for mod. A good running L98 3rd gen can hang with the 4th gens on the bottom end but they will get walked pretty hard up top. With that said, a super clean Iroc or 91-92 Z28 is more of head turner imo. Or you could always just get both.
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
well.. for the price your going to pay for a 2000 ls1 car (im guessing anywhere between 8-11 grand??
you can find a third gen for a grand put 6 into it and then tear ls1's up.. the car in my sig has 4 grand in engine 2 in drivetrain and around 350 in suspension.. pulling mid-low 12s depending on witch tires im on. stock ss camaros dont hang with me even on the street with my 3 speed. the ws6 runs about 1 length behind from 30 rolls... it all depends on how much work you want to do.. if thats none at all get a 4th gen if you want to tell ppl you made your car what it is on your own do it the way i did
you can find a third gen for a grand put 6 into it and then tear ls1's up.. the car in my sig has 4 grand in engine 2 in drivetrain and around 350 in suspension.. pulling mid-low 12s depending on witch tires im on. stock ss camaros dont hang with me even on the street with my 3 speed. the ws6 runs about 1 length behind from 30 rolls... it all depends on how much work you want to do.. if thats none at all get a 4th gen if you want to tell ppl you made your car what it is on your own do it the way i did
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nevermind the camaro having a 305 it was a l88 le motor not a motor that came with the car it was swapped out of a corvette into the camaro for drag racing purposes. it did run low 10s because the motor was built for it. Seeing as how light a camaro is i wouldnt doubt it. I decided i would get a 4th gen if i can find one for 5k if not ill stick to my iroc dreams =).
Thanks for your help on such short notice I doubt the camaro we had back in the day even moves anymore lol.
Thanks for your help on such short notice I doubt the camaro we had back in the day even moves anymore lol.
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i seriously doubt you will find a ls1 4th gen for 5 grand.. even here in colorado where weather bodes unwell for muscle cars the market is 8-11 like i said.. more for the low miled and slightly built ones.. now you could find a lt1 4th gen quite easily i see those for 3-4 grand all the time
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Actually ebay just checked yesterday had a pretty good ls1 4th gen for 5 grand starting bid >.> There is actually a 1978 Recently Restored and very good looking L-48 Corvette up here in ohio for 7800$ that my parents are looking into.
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it was originally a 305 car but the motor was swapped for a L88 corvette motor the only specs we have on the corvette motor was that it had a cam in it with some other basic stuff for drag racing like headers
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
i seriously doubt you will find a ls1 4th gen for 5 grand.. even here in colorado where weather bodes unwell for muscle cars the market is 8-11 like i said.. more for the low miled and slightly built ones.. now you could find a lt1 4th gen quite easily i see those for 3-4 grand all the time
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
Theres a ls1 4th gen around me for 5 grand its a formula bird has like 80k on it and put out 313 whp and 333ftlbs just had hit a deer and the body was fixed needs paint its pretty nice
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http://www.bocchicchio.com/98ss/ls1info.htm
Ls1s are 350s
I dont know what LS2s are but Ls1s are 350s and Ls7 is a 7.0 which i think is either 454 or 427? I think its a 427 i dont know much about these LS motors I dont know much about these liters either i wish theyd go back to putting SS 350 on camaros and corvettes really not... SS Camaro doesnt even give a motor size it could be a v6 camaro ss =/
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yea looking around i think i can wait until i find just that right one you know...When I aint got the money for a car it just comes out of no where and when I do have the money for it it seems like the price raises =/ just my luck i guess
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http://www.bocchicchio.com/98ss/ls1info.htm
Ls1s are 350s
I dont know what LS2s are but Ls1s are 350s and Ls7 is a 7.0 which i think is either 454 or 427? I think its a 427 i dont know much about these LS motors I dont know much about these liters either i wish theyd go back to putting SS 350 on camaros and corvettes really not... SS Camaro doesnt even give a motor size it could be a v6 camaro ss =/
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yea looking around i think i can wait until i find just that right one you know...When I aint got the money for a car it just comes out of no where and when I do have the money for it it seems like the price raises =/ just my luck i guess
Ls1s are 350s
I dont know what LS2s are but Ls1s are 350s and Ls7 is a 7.0 which i think is either 454 or 427? I think its a 427 i dont know much about these LS motors I dont know much about these liters either i wish theyd go back to putting SS 350 on camaros and corvettes really not... SS Camaro doesnt even give a motor size it could be a v6 camaro ss =/
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yea looking around i think i can wait until i find just that right one you know...When I aint got the money for a car it just comes out of no where and when I do have the money for it it seems like the price raises =/ just my luck i guess
You should read the info in the link you provide before you provide it
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
ok i will rephrase this then... i seriously doubt you will find a well maintained ls1 car for under 8 grand I.E. not been in a wreck and deent miles.. also 5 grand is on a BID someone who has more money and really wants the car will try and out bid you pushing up to above or at the range i suggested earlier.
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
346 in³ = 5.66992 L
Almost every manufacture rounds a number like this up--so 5.7L!
Fords 5.0 was really 4.9L though....it was something 4940 CC (cubic centimeters)
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
It really sounds like you should be looking at a V6. You are obviously pretty young and you don't need anything that fast to begin with. Work your way up to the power.
And a little research and comprehension go a long way.
And a little research and comprehension go a long way.
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
im 18.. i daily drive a mid 12 car and have a solid 12 second backup.. been through 2 under 14 second third gens befor my current.. age doesnt mean much if you know what your doing.
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
That was meant for the original poster, not you. You're right, it doesn't matter if you know what you are doing. But to jump in a fast car is asking for trouble when you first start to drive.
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To quote all of you about the 346 not being a 350 I think you all need to open your eyes and race a Ls1 and a normal 350 camaro and tell me if there is even a difference between the drag times.
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Right now I drive a 1978 Chevy 1/2 ton with a 350 4 BBL and a mild cam in it with who knows what else because it was built for one thing. Mud Racing. It has a 8 inch lift on it with 38 inch Super Swamper TSLBogger Tires on it and I drive it every monday through friday to school and back I get 6 MPG and I can run over a Mazda and not even know it. Every morning at 6 am I have to start it up and believe me I wake up the nieghborhood. I can put you in the passenger seat and make sh** run clear to your ankles. Dont tell me I need something slower because I wanna go faster at this point now that I know what 0 to 60 in 5 seconds feels like. Right now im putting a transmission in it so I havent had time to comment all of you but to let you know about my camaro searching I think my dad might buy me that 79 corvette L 48 sitting down the road.
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
[QUOTE=frostbite;3977346]To quote all of you about the 346 not being a 350 I think you all need to open your eyes and race a Ls1 and a normal 350 camaro and tell me if there is even a difference between the drag times.[/QUOTE
I have no clue what your talking about.
What's a "normal 350 Camaro"? what year?
We, the people who say its a 346 are 100% correct. Were not talking about any specific times.
GEN 3 LS1 5.7L 3.90" x 3.62= 346 CID or 5.66L--rounded up 5.7
GEN 1 4.00X3.48 = 350 CID or 5.73 L -rounded down 5.7
I have no clue what your talking about.
What's a "normal 350 Camaro"? what year?
We, the people who say its a 346 are 100% correct. Were not talking about any specific times.
GEN 3 LS1 5.7L 3.90" x 3.62= 346 CID or 5.66L--rounded up 5.7
GEN 1 4.00X3.48 = 350 CID or 5.73 L -rounded down 5.7
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yes you sound very young....and i buaght my car at 17 put 3-4k into it ALL myself hard earned money in it(40 hours a week)...my dad help me b/c he is much wiser then me...but finacialy i did my car
maybe if kids paid for there own cars..they woundt abuse them or wreck them as much
oh....i forget to mention im 18 now
so i hate when i hear...."my dad might buy me this corvette"
maybe if kids paid for there own cars..they woundt abuse them or wreck them as much
oh....i forget to mention im 18 now
so i hate when i hear...."my dad might buy me this corvette"
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yes you sound very young....and i buaght my car at 17 put 3-4k into it ALL myself hard earned money in it(40 hours a week)...my dad help me b/c he is much wiser then me...but finacialy i did my car
maybe if kids paid for there own cars..they woundt abuse them or wreck them as much
oh....i forget to mention im 18 now
so i hate when i hear...."my dad might buy me this corvette"
maybe if kids paid for there own cars..they woundt abuse them or wreck them as much
oh....i forget to mention im 18 now
so i hate when i hear...."my dad might buy me this corvette"
i worked the whole summer doing construction and bought two camaro's a 90 rs with a v6 and an 81 z 28 over the winter i am dropping a 350 in the rs
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yes you sound very young....and i buaght my car at 17 put 3-4k into it ALL myself hard earned money in it(40 hours a week)...my dad help me b/c he is much wiser then me...but finacialy i did my car
maybe if kids paid for there own cars..they woundt abuse them or wreck them as much
oh....i forget to mention im 18 now
so i hate when i hear...."my dad might buy me this corvette"
maybe if kids paid for there own cars..they woundt abuse them or wreck them as much
oh....i forget to mention im 18 now
so i hate when i hear...."my dad might buy me this corvette"
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To quote all of you about the 346 not being a 350 I think you all need to open your eyes and race a Ls1 and a normal 350 camaro and tell me if there is even a difference between the drag times.[/QUOTE
I have no clue what your talking about.
What's a "normal 350 Camaro"? what year?
We, the people who say its a 346 are 100% correct. Were not talking about any specific times.
GEN 3 LS1 5.7L 3.90" x 3.62= 346 CID or 5.66L--rounded up 5.7
GEN 1 4.00X3.48 = 350 CID or 5.73 L -rounded down 5.7
I have no clue what your talking about.
What's a "normal 350 Camaro"? what year?
We, the people who say its a 346 are 100% correct. Were not talking about any specific times.
GEN 3 LS1 5.7L 3.90" x 3.62= 346 CID or 5.66L--rounded up 5.7
GEN 1 4.00X3.48 = 350 CID or 5.73 L -rounded down 5.7
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
I guess you mean a first gen SS, since there were no third gen SS cars.
No, a LS1 would have the old school camaro it's ***. And so will my V6 Buick.
My LS1 ran 13.2 bone stock, 12.97 with nittos/lid/exhaust, and 11.73 with full bolt-ons (stock heads/cam, no power adder)
Third gen cars run in the 14's normally.
Old school muscle cars are 14's, 13's for the very fast ones.
And yes, it is a 346. But 5.7 covers it.
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No, a LS1 would have the old school camaro it's ***. And so will my V6 Buick.
My LS1 ran 13.2 bone stock, 12.97 with nittos/lid/exhaust, and 11.73 with full bolt-ons (stock heads/cam, no power adder)
Third gen cars run in the 14's normally.
Old school muscle cars are 14's, 13's for the very fast ones.
And yes, it is a 346. But 5.7 covers it.
Ed
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
Here is the way it works!
You are either a 3rd gen fan or you are not!
If you have to ask which to buy, 3rd or 4th, then your not a 3rd kind of guy and you are better off with a car you are not going to have to do any work on.
You are either a 3rd gen fan or you are not!
If you have to ask which to buy, 3rd or 4th, then your not a 3rd kind of guy and you are better off with a car you are not going to have to do any work on.
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
I would buy the 4th gen if your looking to go faster. I love my 3rd gen but I can't deny how fast an LS1 is and mod for mod it beats the older style 5.7 theres some cam and heads LS1's running low 10's N/A and most full exhaust LS1 F-bodies run a 12.6 to 12.8 on a good run on street tires. You can still make a 3rd gen fast though it'll just be alot more work.
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
All your doing is telling me what the other guys are. A normal 350 Camaro meaning a plain 5.7L camaro ss not a LS1. If you get out of a Ls1 Camaro and jump in the regular 350 camaro ss I doubt you could tell the difference even if you tried. If anything the LS1 would be faster because most of them come with Ram-Air Options and High Performance Rear Ends. I just looked at a Ls1 Trans Am today WS6 Package and all.
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This is a little off topic but i don't know much about 4th gens so do they have the same frame as 3rd gens or are they weaker or stronger?
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
Define "handle"...The rear axle is wider, effectively giving it a wider foot print.
The wheelbase is about the same.
And the front suspension is a totally different design. And most experienced roadracers will say...The 3rd gen design handles better, but I'm sure others might say their 4th gens have a better handling design. Both are so close, it depends more on the driver than the suspension.
The wheelbase is about the same.
And the front suspension is a totally different design. And most experienced roadracers will say...The 3rd gen design handles better, but I'm sure others might say their 4th gens have a better handling design. Both are so close, it depends more on the driver than the suspension.
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I think he thinks 4th gens come with "350s" and some have the LS1 "VETTE ENGINES!!!!" if this is what you are thinking lil guy, go away!!! all 98-02 camaros come with 1 of 2 engines either a 3.8L V6 or for the Z28s and SS the LS1 346CID V8 that is shared with the vette.... the only "SS 350" camaros are from 67-72 and those ran 15 second 1/4 miles stock, the 98-02 SS and Z28s run mid low 13s stock!!! they would feel nothing alike if u "get out of a LS1 Camaro and jump into a regular 350 camaro" LS1 camaros put out crazy amounts of power and have very lil if anything in common with the classic Small block chevy 350.....
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This whole topic is off topic at this point its just becoming a big arguement against me. There is a regular 100% plain 4th gen camaro sitting out at my school it does not have 1 single badge on it saying what motor is in it. The kid says his dad bought the car brand new it came with a 5.7L motor the dealership even says its not a LS motor its a regular 350 chevy. That is the ONLY 4th gen v8 camaro out there so I dont have anyway of looking at a LS motor to see if theyre different. When I said jump from a LS1 to a 350 I would think there is regular 350 camaros out there but I guess not if you want to say there isnt its not like I have anyway of knowing.
Both cars have totally different front ends...No need to even open the hood.....LS1 car ...... LT1 car
Which nose does the car have?
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
This whole topic is off topic at this point its just becoming a big arguement against me. There is a regular 100% plain 4th gen camaro sitting out at my school it does not have 1 single badge on it saying what motor is in it. The kid says his dad bought the car brand new it came with a 5.7L motor the dealership even says its not a LS motor its a regular 350 chevy. That is the ONLY 4th gen v8 camaro out there so I dont have anyway of looking at a LS motor to see if theyre different. When I said jump from a LS1 to a 350 I would think there is regular 350 camaros out there but I guess not if you want to say there isnt its not like I have anyway of knowing.
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Re: 3rd gen vs 4th gen
You could install double SFCs, if you think you need that much extra strength.
Get one set that goes outwards, along the rockers & another set that goes inwards, more towards the tranny tunnel.
Get one set that goes outwards, along the rockers & another set that goes inwards, more towards the tranny tunnel.