im not really sure how much strength i'll need because my dad had an 84 t/a and had a 305 in it with a few mods and cracked the frame but im dropping in a 350 in my rs so im not sure what to do.

 

Well, there is no "frame" to crack to begin with. Most likely, you (or he was) are referring to the typical door window rear corner at the roof cracking. Virtually happens on every 3rd gen without SFCs.

Unless you are putting in a STOUT 350 & going drag racing, 1 set of SFCs will suffice.

 

im not sure how much strength ill need because my dad had an 84 t/a with a 305 and a few mods and he cracked the frame. im putting a 350 in my rs camaro so im not sure what to do yet.
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sorry about posting that twice it wasnt showing up and yeah thats what i meant about the crack.

 

the unibodies are so weak they often crack even with frame connectors..... i think the more support the better personally. i ran inner frame connectors on my last rs and noticed no real unibody sway, but things like rattles and such that others said dissapeared stayed the same on mine....... either way its a great investment they are fairly light and simple to install and hugely benifical by design.

i still am running without them on my new camaro but only because ive yet to take mine to a frame shop to see how tweaked it is....... i figure after i get it straight ill let them weld on a set. after all its much easier to do on an alignment rack or such with full weight on the wheels.

if you have never put a third gen camaro on a standard lift then i advise you to do so and you'll how terribly weak they realy are, my old camaro would barely open its doors on a standard rack.

 

It looks like the LT1 Car but it is DEFINETLY not a v6 it does not sound like a v6 at all or runs like a v6 it runs like a perfectly formed v8. The motor does look like the Ls1 you showed me but it doesnt have that plastic black box around it in the front.

 

That plastic box is the stock air filter housing, so may very well have been changed.

But it sounds like....Either a LS1 has been put into a LT1 body, or a LT1 nose put on a LS1 body. What year is the car? Can't change that, legally. People have been know to swap VIN tags out, but that generally happens on OLD cars, for high value purposes.

 

probably around the mid 90s or so its got a good 80k mileage

 

exactly. the ls1 is fast. but the 3rd gen looks way better

 

"1968 was the second year the L88 was offered for the Corvette. Factory claims listed the L88 V8 producing 430 hp, but dyno testing on a "68 L88 found it had 560 hp

For 1968 the L88 engine package included aluminum heads, 12.5 to 1 compression, hi-lift cam, a 850 CFM 4 barrel carb"

If your brother had an L88 swapped 3'rd gen, I don't doubt it would snap a speed in ten, especially not with mods.

I doubt that engine would be very easy to find though.. everybody knew what it was back then, and now.

 

He didnt swap it some other guy did. We were the third or fourth owners of the car. My brother was probably only 17 years old when we gave him the car. He said it was a L88 because he remember the guy we bought it from was a L88. My dad recalls it to be a Big Block Chevy motor but he doesnt remember if it was a L88. After some research a L88 motor is 427 CID. would a 427 BBC + mods + the f-body third gen camaro = 10 second car? I think itd be more if it had mods.

 

stop watching fast and the furious it takes alot to run 10s, alot more then just POWER!!! u have to hook. A 427BBC is a beast and i love them but even rated at 430hp back in 68 thats not the same as 430hp by todays standards, to quote the latest issue of superchevy mag, when they compare old school camaros vs the new 2010 one...."One perhaps controversial number is the guesstimate on what yesterdays muscle car engines would make under the latest SAE net ratings GM uses today. When GM first switched to net ratings in 72 it was said the difference was 20 to 25 percent lower. The most recen standard instituted is STRICTER STILL. If u look at the mph figures garnered from old road tests and do the math based on weight you can see these new hp ratings to be accurate" So 420hp well take away 20% that 86hp (25% would be 105hp)by todays standard the motor would be rated between 315 and 334hp....hardly enough to run 10s in our cars. Guys with LS1 swaps that make about the same power by todays standards and weigh a good bit less thanks to that all aluminum engine run high 12s at best on stock motor......so was the car fast? Probably, 10s? Doubtfully, It would have had to been FAR from stock, talking Aftermarket heads, huge cam and stall, he would have been destroying the stock rear so it had to have been aftermarket, a nice suspension and maybe some Nitrous. or NOS how you would probably say it.......

 

Fast and the furious was a movie that made no sense to me at all..A supra even on NOS would not have touched the charger at the end >.> I hated that movie with a passion. NOS? My parents took me off the bottle a long time ago. Hooking is easy if you warm the tires up all you need to do is go get some Mickey T's and burn them out then there you go you pretty much hooked up well. Im done arguing about this car because no one here can tell me anything other than what Ive already heard or knew.

 

There are a lot of variable in hooking with a fast car, just heating up the tires will not be enough. You must always remember the suspension mods that run hand in hand with hooking at the line.

 

Thats really all it takes? All this stuff about angles and weight distribution and vertical forces and all that is irrelevant? I should have just been burning off my "mickey Ts" instead of wasting all that money I spent on suspension.

How did he get the TPI on that big block anyway? I mean you cant exactly plug a chip into a carb.

Stop spreading the BS and ask a question get an answer. Better yet, start reading and using search features.

 

you have alot to learn

 

While I realize that this has gone way off topic, I'll put in my $.02 as I've owned both...
Unless you have a sentimental attachment (as I do), a strict budget or a preference in looks...the LS1 F-body is the way to go. Much faster out of the box, better technology, better brakes, better trans, the list goes on... My 2000 Z28's LSx 383/150shot was around 650rhwp with nothing exotic and drove like a nearly stock F-body.
Don't get me wrong, I love my current L98 Formula to death, but can be realistic about the comparison.
Unless you want to do a lot of work, it's tough to beat a bolt-on 12-second LS1 F-body that can be a daily-driver and deliver 20+ MPG.

 

Its easy to beat that with a 12 second bolt on LS1 thirdgen. Fast cant make up for ugly.

 

it certainly can

as for LSx motors, 10 head bolts is g*y...that is all

 

Not to mention too heavy, less favorable aerodynamics, higher center of gravity, and the same rearend made out of glass.

I won't say they are ugly though...

 

I'll go that far, fourth gens are ugly. Would I turn one down, no.

 

You can easily get an LS1 for 3-6 grand and if you pick right it will still be reliable, it may not be pretty as one in a higher price range but if you want to start out with a great base performance car then id do that and eventually get dents taken out / paint done. But you could pay 2 grand for a fair 3rd gen (stock probably) and restore it up yourself as the years go by.. i like that option more myself Also even though 3rd gens are easier to make look good.. you cant totally down 4th gens, theres just too many people that leave them totally stock and stock 93's-97's id have to agree are ugly (what was GM thinking with those rims? lol) But if you do a few simple things like getting a different hood, new rims, and black out lights (if you have the right color car) then they can easily look badass just as any other. I'm not a huge fan of body kits on most cars but on the 93-97's theres some that look totally insane. Check out the 4th gens in this vid (few badass 3rg gens too) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy13eLPUQug

 

I've never seen an LS1 car for 3-6 grand that I would want own. A nice LT1 car can be found in that price range though.

As far as looks, I realize this is a 3rd gen board but come on, you guys cant honestly think that an LS1 WS6 isn't one badass looking car

 

To conclude my search for the "perfect camaro" it has come to an end.. Not perfect but not too far from perfect. We traded my truck (=/ ill miss it) and 2 grand for this:

1994 Camaro 3.4 SFI Crate Motor w/ cam
New Paint Job
3 speed automatic w/ overdrive
1700 miles on motor
130k on car (doesnt even look like its got over 30k with the new paint job)
BEST HEATER IN THE WORLD (and a/c maybe but who cares thats what power windows are for)

0-60 i'd say about 6? or 7 seconds dont know how its possible to get an accurate time... =/ but i'd say 6.5

I already tested it out on a..."track" and had it up to 110 MPH didnt take very long. Im guessing kind of low rear ends havent figured it out yet and havent met the previous owner yet.


Cant say im not happy really It is a camaro... To be honest with you guys 4th generations dont look as ugly as they do in the pictures. Not many cars have front ends that go into a V like if you know what I mean and thats a big thing to me. I'll post a picture of it when I can get my hands on the camera I loaned my brother because the car does look nice.. Im not going to put stripes on it like everyone else I think I'll put flames on the sides of it. Hopefully that doesnt get too exspensive.

 

Congrats on your purchase. Whatever makes you happy.

You are dreaming when it comes to 0-60. Real high 7 or low 8...maybe.

 

I dont know I see a lot of people saying the 4th gen v6's do anywhere from 0-60 in 6 seconds and the ls1's do it in 4.9 I think it'll change this summer when I add some bolt ons and maybe some motor work. I like it... does good on ice =) found that out today with the freezing rain we had

Cold Air Intake
SuperCharger (maybe =))
Better plugs and wires and filters and other stuff (new tune up basically think it needs it...)
Maybe a chip...

 

seriously don't listen to them---if they say that--they are clueless

160hp is not much.

My 2.4L Cobalt automatic was clocked by Car and river 7.5 to 60mph.

Its lighter then a 4th gen 3400. And has more HP.

I don't want to beat you up about it---just get informed....the 3.4L is slow..

I can dig out my roadtests from Car and Driver and M/T if you want?

Go check out camaroz28.com ask around too. Good site for 4th gens.

 

I know 160 hp is not much..I perfer to test the car's horsepower myself this summer before and after I work on it. I know im probably only adding a rough estimate of 40 to 60 horsepower not including the super charger or chip. Different car's have different horsepowers imo. My nieghbor has a brand new 09 cobalt 2.2L with 5 speed /overdrive. We havent raced yet but I know his is pretty fast... I did however race another car...a little bit faster than his and I beat it 0-60 here's the other car's specs

2003 Hyundai Tuscani:
Cold Air Intake
Stock turbo (1)
6 speed trans
Tuscani package (13.7 car)
2.7L Elisa Package motor (v6)

Basically its your average tuscani with the bolt ons... But on take off his front wheels spun from first to second and then third I was probably already at 60... But I had him until we hit 80 then he caught me (damn 6 speed manuals =/) But when we did a rolling 55 race I held up very well until we ran out of road at 95 MPH.


Thanks for the website though, Ill be sure to dig up some racing information about my car. A lot of people like my car before I tell them it's a v6 >.>

 

There was never a factory Turbo on Tuscani (all were V6).......was it aftermarket?

 

This is a 3rd Gen board you know. Why not go to a mustang board and ask the same question. But, I have both. A 4th gen, such as a 2002 firebird formula will run under 10 grand in good condition. The Formula was a low production car, 420 auto and 420 manual. Numbers are close. They have the LS1 in and you can add another 3 grand and 30 hp with the ram air. lightly modded LS1 will walk all over most heavily modded thirds. No all, most. The are fast top speed will bury the 165mph speedo.Cold air intake, coolant bypass and bellows will be all you need. If you have little driving exp buy the third first. But the 2002 is 6 yrs old third is about 20, fourth will be more dependable.

 

He doesnt know much about cars and he wont take the stupid engine cover off for me to look >.> It kicks in at around 4.5k RPMs if that tells you anything im not a turbo man... My best guess is pick one of the cheap turbos out to install and thatd probably be it.

 

ok so you got a camaro great, but its not a third gen so well this is not the site for you bud. talk about third gens if u want but we dont care about your 3.4 v6 4th gen. Also im tired of reading the stupid stuff you write, go learn something and come back. you say he doesnt know much about cars, well look into the mirror bud neither do u. If yall popped the hood on that thing and started messing around it would be like two monkeys tryin to *** a football....i have a 4th gen v6 camaro too as my dd, but i dont talk about it here now do i? please stay on topic or move along

 

I'm not going to argue over how fast a 4th gen with an LS1 can be - stating the obvious.

But when you have the same LS1 in both a third gen and a fourth gen, the 4th gen becomes the hunted. 400lbs of extra weight will do that for you, 14 year age difference or not.

 

Honestly guy...I dont care what you think it started out as me wanting to know something and you've been giving me nothing but negative answers. Wanna know something new? Go play chicken with a train. Or better yet try to run across a highway because I dont really care what you have to say. If your tired of reading what I say just dont read it. I dont know if thats hard for you or not but I suggest you do so.

 

400 lbs?

My 96 WS6 weighed 100 lbs more than them 89 TTA. Both loaded except the WS6 was a hardtop vs. the Lexan tops of the TTA. 3650 vs 3550.

GTO's were 400 lbs heavier than F-Body's though...

 

OK, first the guys ask about the diffrence. So the fourth gen has to come up. Just because your jelous dont knock him, he was answering a question.
Second with the power of a LS1 over any third gen makes the diffrence of the 400lbs. Abouting putting the LS1 in a third just reinforces my response. Never heard of a Fouth gen doing a eigine swap with a LG4.

 

do you have the cd numbers to back up the aero claim? I had always heard a 4th gen camaro was supposed to be extremely aerodynamic.

as far as ugly goes, I like third gens better, but I wouldn't call a 4th gen ugly because of that.

 

thats a myth. I read reviews of 4th gens when thye came out in 93--that mentioned the areodynamics. Nearly the same as 3rd gens. Despite the swoopy windshield.

As for weight---theres no 400lbs diff

 

does anyone have drag coeffeiciant numbers? i'd like to see the difference.

 

According to the book:

Camaro
By Steve Statham

The 93-97 Z28 had .34 cd

 

As ugly as everyone says the fourth generations are, alot of thirds running around with knock off T/A hoods. I will agree, the fourth Camaro is butt ugly, but the T/A's are in there own class. I remember when we used to sit in class and rag a guy hard about his brand new 82 Camaro. We couldnt beleive they made the Camaro into a hatchback. A four cylinder at that. That was 1982, second gen Camaros were a dime a dozen. Also in the parking lots were Roadrunners, Cudas and a GTO judge. I drove a V8 vega. LOL

 

Lol about the story. But I never knew camaros were 4 cylinders and wouldnt have even thought about it for a second. But I guess if mustang can be a 4 cylinder then maybe Camaro had the better 4 cylinder too just to prove it >.>

 

Swap in a LS1 into a third gen without any extras and you get a 150lb weight break right there. So if you are 3500lbs, you drop to 3350lbs. Take off another 100lbs if you do the x-member, coil overs, hood... 3650 is probably a very light WS6...

 

They do look very aerodynamic, but looks are deceiving.

Actually they are about the same CoD stock, but the 4th gens (Z25 especially) sit very high and allow a lot of air under the car that creates lift. If you look at 4th gen race cars, most have some sort of very low hanging spoiler package to keep the air out. They also run very tall rear wings as the airflow over the window is not as clean.

Bonneville guys prefer the thirdgens for top speed runs as they are more efficient when you modify the body...

 

My WS6 wasn't light, it was about normal. Mine had everything but leather and tops. It was a 6spd but they weigh the same as the automatic.

My TTA had everything but didn't have glass tops, had Lexan tops. From memory, the only 4th gens that weighed over 3700 were the convertibles.

I weighed them on the same scale also, both at MIR.

If I were to get another F-Body, it would be a swapped in LS1. They are incredibly easy to work on and they make great power. A win/win in my book!

 

No, they didnt. The mustang got the tried and true ford 2.3L. The chevy got the "Iron Duke." AKA garbage.

 

Well he said it was in 1982 so I was just agreeing with him because from the late 70s to early 80s i never really read up on camaros and thats when they started putting Fuel Injection in cars to be more efficient

 

dont get me wrong i got a 89 irocz with a l98 in it and i love it but i have driven alot of 4th gens and i could honesty say they are faster stock. plus mine has bolt ons and its still close. and you could look at the aftermarket for ls1's its unbelivable but also very expensive with a 3rd gen you could spend less but be ready to put time in.

 

Thanks for your input. It's good to see I finally get some positive posts out of this topic. But honestly which would you rather have? Looks or Performance?

 

ummm they are both lookers i mean you can get heads to turn from either one and performance.currenty im buliding a 383 stoker for my car but i love ls1 becuase even bolt on power is alot so it matters on time and money to spend. are u going for bolt ons

 

Id perfer bolt ons rather than taking the motor apart... Bolt ons anyone can pretty much do them yourself.. I actually perfer both generations of camaros but then again Im one of the few people who like the looks of the late 70s camaro. There is a guy down the road who has a 86 or 87 iroc-z (very poor condition) and he says its got a lot of horsepower I have never rode in it before but a lot of other people who have said its definetly got power because he can be cruising at 55 MPH and kick it down and before you know it your in the 130+ range