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budfreak1 11-21-2012 12:35 PM
91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
I was heading to Pittsburgh over the weekend, and a 335i came on ahead of me from an on ramp. I was cruising at about 70 and sped up a little, and he just kept out of reach of me when I would speed up. Then, he boots it and takes off, so I follow suit. We end up swapping positions a few times and running hard for a few miles, and I was able to keep with him door to door up to about 90-100, then he pulled on me hard everytime. I pretty much expected it though, considering it runs low 13's stock and is made to have top end, which my stock head and cammed L98 is not. After spring though, it will be a different story. ;)

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:22 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429027)
I was heading to Pittsburgh over the weekend, and a 335i came on ahead of me from an on ramp. I was cruising at about 70 and sped up a little, and he just kept out of reach of me when I would speed up. Then, he boots it and takes off, so I follow suit. We end up swapping positions a few times and running hard for a few miles, and I was able to keep with him door to door up to about 90-100, then he pulled on me hard everytime. I pretty much expected it though, considering it runs low 13's stock and is made to have top end, which my stock head and cammed L98 is not. After spring though, it will be a different story. ;)
How is your car running 13's with the stock heads?

budfreak1 11-21-2012 01:26 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429047)
Gee that's funny with my wife driving our bmw and me in the old thirdgen. She was ahead from start to finish. I couldn't pull on it at all. My thirdgen was a bolt on car too. Healthy condition. Ran mid to low 14's with bolt ons. How is your car running low 13's with the stock heads?
I ran a 1.91 60' and 13.54 1/4 on worn out, cheap street tires and at a DA of 1729 ft., so it definitely has low 13's in it with tires and weather. I am FULL bolt on, nothing left I can do without doing internals parts, or putting boost to it.
And I didn't say I pulled, I said door to door until 90-100, then he pulled away pretty fast.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:30 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429050)
I ran a 1.91 60' and 13.54 1/4 on worn out, cheap street tires and at a DA of 1729 ft., so it definitely has low 13's in it with tires and weather. I am FULL bolt on, nothing left I can do without doing internals parts, or putting boost to it.
And I didn't say I pulled, I said door to door until 90-100, then he pulled away pretty fast.
Those things are twin turbos

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:32 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
when i raced my Bmw with my old thirdgen. I got left from start to finish , by the time i hit third gear the beamer was a bus length away and was still pulling away.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 01:33 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429051)
Noooo, he should of left you by a bus length. They are twin turbos
Well he didn't, but by time we got from 70-130 he had about 3 car lengths on me, but he didn't started making distance until I hit about 100.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:34 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
335i is about equal to the c5 LS1 vette.LOL

budfreak1 11-21-2012 01:36 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429052)
when i raced my Bmw with my old thirdgen. I got left from start to finish , by the time i hit third gear the beamer was a bus length away and was still pulling away.
I am one second quicker than you were, do the math man.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 01:39 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429054)
335i is about equal to the c5 LS1 vette.LOL
Dragtimes says the 335i run low 13's stock, and I do too plus had a pass., which he did not. We raced at highway speeds and beyond, which is his territory, considering I have a stock cam and heads. The race went just like it should have and I knew it would. Want to see my timeslip, or ask member cashmunson, who was there and watching when I went through the beams? If I was gonna get on here and lie, I would have just said I won lol.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:40 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429055)
I am one second quicker than you were, do the math man.
How do figure? and who timed your 1/4 mile? I even had mine "tuned". How do you figure your thirdgen was quicker than mine?

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:42 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
What mods do u have?

PhoenixFirebird 11-21-2012 01:42 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
13s out of stock heads aren't that uncommon.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:45 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
something just doesn't sound right. You only ran a trap speed of 98 mph but you pulled a 13.5 sec time?

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:46 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by PhoenixFirebird (Post 5429062)
13s out of stock heads aren't that uncommon.
Nah , you need aftermarket heads to break into the 13's consistently with these cars.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 01:47 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429058)
Dragtimes says the 335i run low 13's stock, and I do too plus had a pass., which he did not. We raced at highway speeds and beyond, which is his territory, considering I have a stock cam and heads. The race went just like it should have and I knew it would. Want to see my timeslip, or ask member cashmunson, who was there and watching when I went through the beams? If I was gonna get on here and lie, I would have just said I won lol.
So, what makes your bolt on car a full second quicker than mine?

budfreak1 11-21-2012 01:53 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
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Obviously you were born last night, because you have no clue wtf your talking about, and are making a fool of yourself right now. Read it and weep, and if the evidence isn't good enough, shoot a message to cashmunson and ask him, since him and his whole family were there when I ran it. And mind you, I ran this 13.5 on ONE SINGLE RUN, the only one I got of the night. I could have tweeked it a little and got a bag of ice for my superram, and ran a low 13. You mightt want to click the link in my siggy too, for my cardomain to see my mods.


PhoenixFirebird 11-21-2012 01:53 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429067)
No, you need aftermarket heads to break into the 13's consistently with these cars. I wasn't born last night.
Absolutely not, although port work does work wonders for these heads. I have to call BS on needing aftermarket heads to run 13s lol. Just a stock L98 geared correctly could probably hit consistent 13.9s. Add a decent stall, port work, and a cam, and you're in the 12s.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:07 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by PhoenixFirebird (Post 5429073)
Absolutely not, although port work does work wonders for these heads. I have to call BS on needing aftermarket heads to run 13s lol. Just a stock L98 geared correctly could probably hit consistent 13.9s. Add a decent stall, port work, and a cam, and you're in the 12s.
Sorry, a correctly geared L98 , assuming you are using the stock intake would be correctly geared using a 323-342 ratio. I have said it before , the 13.9 second cars were the LT1 4th gens. I can believe that with a Super ram intake, which is a whole different beast than the stock tpi intake, you might be able to hit a 13.9 if the car was tuned correctly.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:11 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by PhoenixFirebird (Post 5429073)
Absolutely not, although port work does work wonders for these heads. I have to call BS on needing aftermarket heads to run 13s lol. Just a stock L98 geared correctly could probably hit consistent 13.9s. Add a decent stall, port work, and a cam, and you're in the 12s.
Just so you know, my L98 was "geared correctly" with a 342 and it wasn't a 13.9 second car by any means

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:12 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
I've shown the evidence man, just accept it and stop arguing a losing battle. Soon cashmunson will pop on here, and tell you what he watched me do. Then more members like phoenix will pop up, and tell you your wrong too. The hole only gets deeper if you don't put down the shovel.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:12 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
You can hit the 12's with AFR heads, ZZ9 cam and Stealth ram intake. That combo will get you in the ballpark. Even ported stock heads can't touch a set of aftermarket heads.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:13 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429082)
I've shown the evidence man, just accept it and stop arguing a losing battle. Soon cashmunson will pop on here, and tell you what he watched me do. Then more members like phoenix will pop up, and tell you your wrong too. The hole only gets deeper if you don't put down the shovel.
Can i see the video?

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:14 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429081)
Just so you know, my L98 was "geared correctly" with a 342 and it wasn't a 13.9 second car by any means
Then your mods were mismatched, you suck at driving, or it wasn't running right. Plain and simple. List your mods please.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:16 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429084)
I bet a Toyota Rav 4 v6 SUV would smoke you.
Lol, your silly. :lmao:

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:18 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429085)
Then your mods were mismatched, you suck at driving, or it wasn't running right. Plain and simple. List your mods please.
Nope nothing was mismatched. Tune was probably the best i have seen too. That is just what these cars are capable of. They are not exactly light either. I have been tuning for a while now. There are plenty of satisfied members on this site for whom i have burned chips for. If anyone's combo is mismatched its yours. You are running a super ram intake which makes power in the upper rpms with a stock cam? and a 342 gear? and then you also claim to run a 13.5 at only 98 mph?

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:22 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429088)
Nope nothing was mismatched. Tune was probably the best i have seen too. That is just what these cars are capable of. They are not exactly light either. I have been tuning for a while now. There are plenty of satisfied members on this site for whom i have burned chips for. If anyone's combo is mismatched its yours. You are running a super ram intake which makes power in the upper rpms with a stock cam? and a 342 gear? and then you also claim to run a 13.5 at only 98 mph?
Argue all you want man, I posted my timeslip, video, and have witnesses, yet you continue to plead your case. I sure as hell wouldn't have crap tuned by you, because you don't even know what the car your tuning is capable of, obviously. I am just stunned by this ignorant conversation lol, its like being shown a video shot 3 ft. from your face of you killing someone and then saying you didn't do it.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:24 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429085)
Then your mods were mismatched, you suck at driving, or it wasn't running right. Plain and simple. List your mods please.
My car was running great! LOL

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:26 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429090)
Argue all you want man, I posted my timeslip, video, and have witnesses, yet you continue to plead your case. I sure as hell wouldn't have crap tuned by you, because you don't even know what the car your tuning is capable of, obviously. I am just stunned by this ignorant conversation lol, its like being shown a video shot 3 ft. from your face of you killing someone and then saying you didn't do it.
Oh now i don't know what it's capable of? I will give you a hint on tuning. ON a thirdgen, most of the "tuning" and power you can gain from a tune is in the fueling.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:28 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Those mods i listed are the only "worth while " mods for a thirdgen that is running stock heads,cam , and intake. That is that. I have been around these cars a loooong time.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:29 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429091)
mine was as follows: stock heads,cam, and intake.

Edelbrock Tes headers, N10 dual cat ypipe, catback exhaust, CAI, underdrive crank pulley, Ford SVO 24 lb/hr inj,holley dial adustable fuel press reg, ported plenum, 1.6 comp cams roller tip rockers, shift kit, 342 gears, IAT relocation mod,custom chip with Moates G1 adapter , and all of the "free mods".:welcome:
Ok, you had emissions equipment, which I do not. Stock TPI, which is junk and I do not have. IAT relocation = useless.
Sounds like your tune sucks, big surprise.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:30 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429094)
Oh now i don't know what it's capable of? I will give you a hint on tuning. ON a thirdgen, most of the "tuning" and power you can gain from a tune is in the fueling.
Why do I need to care right now? pcmforless takes care of it for me, and I think I trust Alvin, over you.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:32 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Accel/Lingenfelter SuperRam intake
24 lb Bosch design III injectors
Accel 58 MM throttle body
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator
PCMforLESS tuned chip
160 degree thermostat
Hypertech 176 on/166 off fan switch
Hedman headers
Hedman Y pipe
Flowmaster 80 series muffler
Milodon high flow water pump
March underdrive pulleys
Goodyear hi miler hoses
EGR deleted
AIR pump deleted
Cats deleted
TB coolant bypass
MSD streetfire ignition box
NGK G power plugs
Taylor 8MM wires
Hypertech cap and rotor
Hypertech 53K volt coil
Poly. swaybar endlinks
Poly. trans. mount
KYB GR2 Struts
Spohn tubular rear lower control arms
Spohn tubular panhard bar
'00 Camaro SS 3.42 posi rear diff
Ram air II hood
Ram Air intake box w/K&N air filter

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:35 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429098)
Ok, you had emissions equipment, which I do not. Stock TPI, which is junk and I do not have. IAT relocation = useless.
Sounds like your tune sucks, big surprise.
You have not the first clue how to tune do you? IAT relocation, also requires tuning to adjust and therefore benefit from it. That is the whole idea of getting your car tuned. There are lots of things that these mail order tuners don't do either. Everyone knows a mail order tune sucks.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:35 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
And BTW, I ran a 14.2@96 on nothing but the superram, 24 injectors, flowmaster muffler and tune. I was beating you before I even got started lol.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:38 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429103)
You have not the first clue how to tune do you? IAT relocation, also requires tuning to adjust and therefore benefit from it. That is the whole idea of getting your car tuned. There are lots of things that these mail order tuners don't do either. Everyone knows a mail order tune sucks.
How does it suck, when I send them a 20 minute log file to tune off of? They aren't tuning blind, they are doing the same thing you or I would do.
And yes, I obviously know more than you, since you can't get your car out of the 14's lol. You must be a horrible driver or a horrible tuner lol, maybe both.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:40 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
You shouldn't be running a 160 thermostat either. Your car would do much better with a 180 like mine. Fan on at 195. Why did you get rid of your emmisions? it does nothing for performance by getting rid of it either. 58 mm throttle body is not necessary either. It does nothing. The stock 48 mm is proven to be fine up to 350 hp. You would also be faster if you had your tuner change your torque converter lock up from 75 mph at WOT to 120 mph at WOT. There are lots of things these tuners don't know and can't do.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:40 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429106)
How does it suck, when I send them a 20 minute log file to tune off of? They aren't tuning blind, they are doing the same thing you or I would do.
And yes, I obviously know more than you, since you can't get your car out of the 14's lol. You must be a horrible driver or a horrible tuner lol, maybe both.
A tune is not a magical answer to getting out of the high to mid 14's

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:42 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Tune doesn't really add any hp to any car

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:44 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
that is a guesstimate.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:47 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429104)
And BTW, I ran a 14.2@96 on nothing but the superram, 24 injectors, flowmaster muffler and tune. I was beating you before I even got started lol.
See , that sounds more realistic. A 14.2 with a super ram and all of your bolt ons. That is about right. I'll disregard your comment at the end.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 02:50 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Ha a 2012 Rav 4 SUV runs a 14.2 also!

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:58 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429115)
See , that sounds more realistic. A 14.2 with a super ram and all of your bolt ons. That is about right. I'll disregard your comment at the end.
Jesus christ, are you stupid. No, 14.2 with JUST A SUPERRAM, INJECTORS, AND TUNE, and it was 80+ degrees out. After the rest of what I did, 13.5. I can't believe your sitting here arguing with me and calling me a liar, when I have proof and witnesses. You would be a horrible juror, lol.

budfreak1 11-21-2012 02:59 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429108)
You shouldn't be running a 160 thermostat either. Your car would do much better with a 180 like mine. Fan on at 195. Why did you get rid of your emmisions? it does nothing for performance by getting rid of it either. 58 mm throttle body is not necessary either. It does nothing. The stock 48 mm is proven to be fine up to 350 hp. You would also be faster if you had your tuner change your torque converter lock up from 75 mph at WOT to 120 mph at WOT. There are lots of things these tuners don't know and can't do.
And I'm gonna take your advice, when I am a second quicker than you? :lmao:

ninetyone 11-21-2012 03:00 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429121)
Jesus christ, are you stupid. No, 14.2 with JUST A SUPERRAM, INJECTORS, AND TUNE, and it was 80+ degrees out. After the rest of what I did, 13.5. I can't believe your sitting here arguing with me and calling me a liar, when I have proof and witnesses. You would be a horrible juror, lol.
your calling me stupid and your spending time and money trying get an old 80's car into the 13's?

budfreak1 11-21-2012 03:02 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429125)
your calling me stupid and your spending time and money trying get an old 80's car into the 13's?
Yep, I am. And not trying like you, doing it.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 03:02 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429122)
And I'm gonna take your advice, when I am a second quicker than you? :lmao:
your not a second quicker.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 03:03 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by budfreak1 (Post 5429128)
Yep, I am. And not trying like you, doing it.
Your not doing ****, most modern family cars would embarras u on the street nowadays

CashMunson 11-21-2012 03:05 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429111)
Tune doesn't really add any hp to any car
A tune doesn't add any hp? that's the one of the stupidest comments i've ever read on this board. A tune adds hp all day long regardless of car make model etc etc. Budfreak's car has stock heads/cam along with working AC. I watched him run that pass at thompson.

ninetyone 11-21-2012 03:08 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by CashMunson (Post 5429132)
A tune doesn't add any hp? that's the one of the stupidest comments i've ever read on this board. A tune adds hp all day long regardless of car make model etc etc. Budfreak's car has stock heads/cam along with working AC. I watched him run that pass at thompson.
Yeah a good tune Usually adds a couple hp, nothing to write home about. Hp comes from physical changes to an engine, not from a chip.

kmcn47 11-21-2012 03:08 PM
Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
 
Originally Posted by ninetyone (Post 5429125)
your calling me stupid and your spending time and money trying get an old 80's car into the 13's?
cough cough its a NINETY ONE, FYI :lmao:i'll feed the troll all day buddy, everyone on this site already hates me


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