91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
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91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
I was heading to Pittsburgh over the weekend, and a 335i came on ahead of me from an on ramp. I was cruising at about 70 and sped up a little, and he just kept out of reach of me when I would speed up. Then, he boots it and takes off, so I follow suit. We end up swapping positions a few times and running hard for a few miles, and I was able to keep with him door to door up to about 90-100, then he pulled on me hard everytime. I pretty much expected it though, considering it runs low 13's stock and is made to have top end, which my stock head and cammed L98 is not. After spring though, it will be a different story.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
I was heading to Pittsburgh over the weekend, and a 335i came on ahead of me from an on ramp. I was cruising at about 70 and sped up a little, and he just kept out of reach of me when I would speed up. Then, he boots it and takes off, so I follow suit. We end up swapping positions a few times and running hard for a few miles, and I was able to keep with him door to door up to about 90-100, then he pulled on me hard everytime. I pretty much expected it though, considering it runs low 13's stock and is made to have top end, which my stock head and cammed L98 is not. After spring though, it will be a different story. 

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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
Gee that's funny with my wife driving our bmw and me in the old thirdgen. She was ahead from start to finish. I couldn't pull on it at all. My thirdgen was a bolt on car too. Healthy condition. Ran mid to low 14's with bolt ons. How is your car running low 13's with the stock heads?
And I didn't say I pulled, I said door to door until 90-100, then he pulled away pretty fast.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
I ran a 1.91 60' and 13.54 1/4 on worn out, cheap street tires and at a DA of 1729 ft., so it definitely has low 13's in it with tires and weather. I am FULL bolt on, nothing left I can do without doing internals parts, or putting boost to it.
And I didn't say I pulled, I said door to door until 90-100, then he pulled away pretty fast.
And I didn't say I pulled, I said door to door until 90-100, then he pulled away pretty fast.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
when i raced my Bmw with my old thirdgen. I got left from start to finish , by the time i hit third gear the beamer was a bus length away and was still pulling away.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
Dragtimes says the 335i run low 13's stock, and I do too plus had a pass., which he did not. We raced at highway speeds and beyond, which is his territory, considering I have a stock cam and heads. The race went just like it should have and I knew it would. Want to see my timeslip, or ask member cashmunson, who was there and watching when I went through the beams? If I was gonna get on here and lie, I would have just said I won lol.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
What mods do u have?
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
something just doesn't sound right. You only ran a trap speed of 98 mph but you pulled a 13.5 sec time?
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
Dragtimes says the 335i run low 13's stock, and I do too plus had a pass., which he did not. We raced at highway speeds and beyond, which is his territory, considering I have a stock cam and heads. The race went just like it should have and I knew it would. Want to see my timeslip, or ask member cashmunson, who was there and watching when I went through the beams? If I was gonna get on here and lie, I would have just said I won lol.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
Obviously you were born last night, because you have no clue wtf your talking about, and are making a fool of yourself right now. Read it and weep, and if the evidence isn't good enough, shoot a message to cashmunson and ask him, since him and his whole family were there when I ran it. And mind you, I ran this 13.5 on ONE SINGLE RUN, the only one I got of the night. I could have tweeked it a little and got a bag of ice for my superram, and ran a low 13. You mightt want to click the link in my siggy too, for my cardomain to see my mods.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
Absolutely not, although port work does work wonders for these heads. I have to call BS on needing aftermarket heads to run 13s lol. Just a stock L98 geared correctly could probably hit consistent 13.9s. Add a decent stall, port work, and a cam, and you're in the 12s.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
Absolutely not, although port work does work wonders for these heads. I have to call BS on needing aftermarket heads to run 13s lol. Just a stock L98 geared correctly could probably hit consistent 13.9s. Add a decent stall, port work, and a cam, and you're in the 12s.
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Absolutely not, although port work does work wonders for these heads. I have to call BS on needing aftermarket heads to run 13s lol. Just a stock L98 geared correctly could probably hit consistent 13.9s. Add a decent stall, port work, and a cam, and you're in the 12s.
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I've shown the evidence man, just accept it and stop arguing a losing battle. Soon cashmunson will pop on here, and tell you what he watched me do. Then more members like phoenix will pop up, and tell you your wrong too. The hole only gets deeper if you don't put down the shovel.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
You can hit the 12's with AFR heads, ZZ9 cam and Stealth ram intake. That combo will get you in the ballpark. Even ported stock heads can't touch a set of aftermarket heads.
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I've shown the evidence man, just accept it and stop arguing a losing battle. Soon cashmunson will pop on here, and tell you what he watched me do. Then more members like phoenix will pop up, and tell you your wrong too. The hole only gets deeper if you don't put down the shovel.
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Nope nothing was mismatched. Tune was probably the best i have seen too. That is just what these cars are capable of. They are not exactly light either. I have been tuning for a while now. There are plenty of satisfied members on this site for whom i have burned chips for. If anyone's combo is mismatched its yours. You are running a super ram intake which makes power in the upper rpms with a stock cam? and a 342 gear? and then you also claim to run a 13.5 at only 98 mph?
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Nope nothing was mismatched. Tune was probably the best i have seen too. That is just what these cars are capable of. They are not exactly light either. I have been tuning for a while now. There are plenty of satisfied members on this site for whom i have burned chips for. If anyone's combo is mismatched its yours. You are running a super ram intake which makes power in the upper rpms with a stock cam? and a 342 gear? and then you also claim to run a 13.5 at only 98 mph?
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Argue all you want man, I posted my timeslip, video, and have witnesses, yet you continue to plead your case. I sure as hell wouldn't have crap tuned by you, because you don't even know what the car your tuning is capable of, obviously. I am just stunned by this ignorant conversation lol, its like being shown a video shot 3 ft. from your face of you killing someone and then saying you didn't do it.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
Those mods i listed are the only "worth while " mods for a thirdgen that is running stock heads,cam , and intake. That is that. I have been around these cars a loooong time.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
mine was as follows: stock heads,cam, and intake.
Edelbrock Tes headers, N10 dual cat ypipe, catback exhaust, CAI, underdrive crank pulley, Ford SVO 24 lb/hr inj,holley dial adustable fuel press reg, ported plenum, 1.6 comp cams roller tip rockers, shift kit, 342 gears, IAT relocation mod,custom chip with Moates G1 adapter , and all of the "free mods".
Edelbrock Tes headers, N10 dual cat ypipe, catback exhaust, CAI, underdrive crank pulley, Ford SVO 24 lb/hr inj,holley dial adustable fuel press reg, ported plenum, 1.6 comp cams roller tip rockers, shift kit, 342 gears, IAT relocation mod,custom chip with Moates G1 adapter , and all of the "free mods".

Sounds like your tune sucks, big surprise.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
Why do I need to care right now? pcmforless takes care of it for me, and I think I trust Alvin, over you.
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You have not the first clue how to tune do you? IAT relocation, also requires tuning to adjust and therefore benefit from it. That is the whole idea of getting your car tuned. There are lots of things that these mail order tuners don't do either. Everyone knows a mail order tune sucks.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
And BTW, I ran a 14.2@96 on nothing but the superram, 24 injectors, flowmaster muffler and tune. I was beating you before I even got started lol.
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You have not the first clue how to tune do you? IAT relocation, also requires tuning to adjust and therefore benefit from it. That is the whole idea of getting your car tuned. There are lots of things that these mail order tuners don't do either. Everyone knows a mail order tune sucks.
And yes, I obviously know more than you, since you can't get your car out of the 14's lol. You must be a horrible driver or a horrible tuner lol, maybe both.
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You shouldn't be running a 160 thermostat either. Your car would do much better with a 180 like mine. Fan on at 195. Why did you get rid of your emmisions? it does nothing for performance by getting rid of it either. 58 mm throttle body is not necessary either. It does nothing. The stock 48 mm is proven to be fine up to 350 hp. You would also be faster if you had your tuner change your torque converter lock up from 75 mph at WOT to 120 mph at WOT. There are lots of things these tuners don't know and can't do.
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How does it suck, when I send them a 20 minute log file to tune off of? They aren't tuning blind, they are doing the same thing you or I would do.
And yes, I obviously know more than you, since you can't get your car out of the 14's lol. You must be a horrible driver or a horrible tuner lol, maybe both.
And yes, I obviously know more than you, since you can't get your car out of the 14's lol. You must be a horrible driver or a horrible tuner lol, maybe both.
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Tune doesn't really add any hp to any car
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that is a guesstimate.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
See , that sounds more realistic. A 14.2 with a super ram and all of your bolt ons. That is about right. I'll disregard your comment at the end.
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Jesus christ, are you stupid. No, 14.2 with JUST A SUPERRAM, INJECTORS, AND TUNE, and it was 80+ degrees out. After the rest of what I did, 13.5. I can't believe your sitting here arguing with me and calling me a liar, when I have proof and witnesses. You would be a horrible juror, lol.
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You shouldn't be running a 160 thermostat either. Your car would do much better with a 180 like mine. Fan on at 195. Why did you get rid of your emmisions? it does nothing for performance by getting rid of it either. 58 mm throttle body is not necessary either. It does nothing. The stock 48 mm is proven to be fine up to 350 hp. You would also be faster if you had your tuner change your torque converter lock up from 75 mph at WOT to 120 mph at WOT. There are lots of things these tuners don't know and can't do.
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Jesus christ, are you stupid. No, 14.2 with JUST A SUPERRAM, INJECTORS, AND TUNE, and it was 80+ degrees out. After the rest of what I did, 13.5. I can't believe your sitting here arguing with me and calling me a liar, when I have proof and witnesses. You would be a horrible juror, lol.
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Re: 91 GTA vs. BMW 335i
A tune doesn't add any hp? that's the one of the stupidest comments i've ever read on this board. A tune adds hp all day long regardless of car make model etc etc. Budfreak's car has stock heads/cam along with working AC. I watched him run that pass at thompson.
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Yeah a good tune Usually adds a couple hp, nothing to write home about. Hp comes from physical changes to an engine, not from a chip.
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