Excuse me I'm fairly new here...but is a practice of 3rd Gen Moderators to be rude to people asking for help?

I was having a problem getting a pic to show in my signature...so I stated a thread called " Signature test ". Now perhaps I should have called it " Signature help" because that was what I was really asking for. I figured this was the right place to ask because I was having a basic problem with the " Site" and this Forum states that " This is where you post for "problems/help/suggestions/comments relating to the site"....is it not?

I'd already gone through the FAQ's and done a search but I couldn't get the stupid thing to link properly.

Thanks to MDFormula350 he got me pointed in the right direction and I figured it out. This is exactly what I wanted and thankyou once again to MDForrmula350. ( My upload site did not allow Direct links and I had a problem with my profile in TGO Reader rides )

However before he responded, EDE one of the so called "moderators" comes back with a sarcastic comment in Post #3,

Quote: "like this hasn't been covered a thousand times. all you need to do is make whatever changes and look at a old thread or reply, it up dates everything you ever did."

Thanks...that really helps a lot ( Sarcasm) . Nothing I didn't know already...which you could tell if you read Post #2. No smilies or grins...just a flat out statement that does nothing to help some one who is having a problem.


I took this as a "snippy" reply . That is how I interpreted EDE's response. My response to his reply was pretty civil IMHO.

Now that's all fine and dandy...not a really big deal. However...Now I get a very, very rude PM from EDE a day later . I won't post the contents here...it is Private afterall.

I'm just wondering why I'm wasting my time here trying to help others with technical problems when certain moderators seem to think it's all right to insult people. I always thought a " Moderators " job was to be " Professinal and Couteous " at all times. Regular posters I can understand...but a " Moderator " should be above that.

This whole episode has left a bad taste in my mouth in regards to TGO. I like to help people out and have over a 25 years of Road Racing, Engine and Chassis construction and general Motorsport experience to freely share. But if this is how your site is going to treat people, then I am sorry, I have better things to do than be insulted by "Forum Moderators"

Richard Boyk

 

I would just let it go and move on. theres no point in agruement, maybe it was just the way you named your thread and thats why ede said what he said.

 

yeah i understand how people can get mad at someone for telling them to search or it has been covered but in defense of ede, this has been covered way to many times to restate which is why people tell you to search, or that it has been covered before etc. dont get upset. look at ede's posts in the past, he has helped tons of people before. dont go shooting crap in anger since it is definitely not shot upon you in the same manor. anywho not trying to give ya hell or anything but dont take it out on the mods, especially since they have alot to do as it is.

 

True..but the Administrators of the board should be made aware of the problem or else it will continue to get worse. I would like to send a Copy of the PM to the site Administrator and let him or them decide if any action needs to be taken...but I don't know who to send it to.

 

I was not overly upset by EDE's initial response. I figured he just did not read my post carefully the first time..or I did not make myself clear. What I am upset about is his very rude PM to me ...A Day Later... that I consider to be totally unnecessary. He was the one responding in anger and with no due consideration of other people. I will be passing the PM on to the Administrators of this board....whomever that may be.

Regardless of how much work a " Moderator " does...he is an " Ambassador " for the site. If EDE was having a bad day and he wishes to aplogise then I am certainly willing to forget and forgive.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over this. But I do feel that it is a valid comment and the Administrators should know what is going on. This is no way to attract new members.

Edit: Spelling

Richard Boyk

 

IROCZTWENTYGR8 is the admin to pm.

 

Thanks.

To the administrators. Probably best to lock this thread. I have made this comments in the hopes that they will be taken as Constructive Criticism. I would not want this thread to be turned into some sort of a " Flame War". I fully realise all of the hard work that moderators do...but they are human and sometimes they may need a little " nudge " to get them back on track. My comments are intended to help the board attract new members and to point out a potential problem.

I will forward the above mentioned PM's and I now consider the matter closed. Thankyou.

Richard Boyk

 

write the admins at webmaster@thirdgen.org. Pms are a private matter for corospondance between members for topics or messages not for the public boards ,that applies to everyone equally, not selectively. i did offer assistance in a polite and timely manner. you failed to understand it or follow up on it. you also failed to word your thread i na mannor the reflected what you were asking. you were the one to start with the snippy remarks as you call them not me. if you have a problem with a mod why not write the mod in question. if you want to appoligize i'd be willing to accept it.

 

OK, the " like this hasn't been covered a thousand times" was unecessary and so were the remarks in that PM, but he did help. You gotta remember ede, no matter how many times a question is asked or has been covered, there are people that still don't know or are hearing things for the 1st time and each situation should be approached that way unless you know for sure that they are experienced enough to know the rules and how to work the boards.

 

ede,

have you ever tried to e-mail the admins of this site. not going to get a response, ever.

 

You will and people do now.

 

Whenever i have, on methods to improve this board thru vBs software, it went unnoticed or uninterested.

 

I listened to anything you had to say since I've been able to do something about it. Before it wasn't gonna happen.

 

seriously though. we have a problem on the boards with moderators getting crappy with people because they ask the same questions. irocztwentygr8, I constantly see people being called "dumb", "stupid" and etc. Senior members usually start this corruption of logistical speaking and the moderators usually come on and provoke it by adding to. They are supposed to moderate discussion and be of a higher caliber. yet, I see the same 5 yr. old mentality from them that I do other members, at times. I have had something to say about it before and Moderators have banned me. They ban me for doing exactly what they do. Hypocrits! I have tried to contact admin before it happened and still nothing. I am a little more proficient with this site now and try to better follow the rules. I tolerate more abuse from moderators than I see help. That is not right and it's not fair to me or anyone like me. the "B" mechanic still learning. (actually i consider myself an A- apprentice because I do know more than the average apprentice) It is discouraging and people are starting to ask for banishment so they can leave and never be bothered with it again. I myself am almost ready to throw my hands in the air with this site and say, "forget it. I don't need this. There must be a better way. I'm going back to the books." We come for help and get harassed.
Irocztwentygr8 I am asking for you to be Augustus Ceasar and get rid of all the antagonist moderators. please. keep the good ones and throw away the garbage. Vader is probably the only good moderator I have seen yet. I have not seen an insulting post from him yet. Maybe he's not perfect and I am a poor judge of character but, so far, I've seen no abuse from him towards myself or others.

Thank you for your consideration of my comments here.

 

yes, i believe all mods should model themselves after vader. he is curtious, helpfull, and takes no bs. i wish we had him on the tbi board, because i havent seen another board with so much trash talk, outright rudeness, or name calling than the tbi board. i myself have been involved in some of these incidents, but only after being provoked, and the last time it happened i bit my tongue, decided to be the bigger man, and said thank you, my mistake. i enjoy this site for the most part, but i have frequently asked myself,"is it worth this s__t?". i seriously hope this matter gets taken care of for the sake of TGO.

 

If this is a surprise to any of you guys, it shouldn't be. Try having a 3rd Gen that they only built 1555 of and nearly everything about them is different than any other Camaro or Firebird. Yes I am talking about an '89 Turbo Trans Am. It has been made very clear that I am on the wrong site as my car only has a V6 and since it is white it is ugly and boring. Well guess what, I don't come to this site to get help anymore since the mods hate my car and if I post about it I get bashed. I do come here to try to help others that are interested about the turbo 6's and having one in a thirdgen.

BTW, I have never seen so many posts by admins and mods that were edited. Censorship is a way of life here that really degrades this site and earns it a bad rap that it shouldn't deserve. The whole purpose of this site is for technical info, but some of the best info is people's opinions adn they are freely deleted on a regular basis.

 

1btta, if I recall, the situation you are talking about happened a long time ago between you and a Mod on the History board when he expressed that he did not like TTAs. Then you went and said things that were not called for on another board and he found it then banned you.

Look, it was a long time ago and many people like TTAs here. TTAs can be discussed on the V6 Board or on whatever board is needed to get help for 1. If you were having problems, you should have contacted us instead of arguing. I don't think you should have an opinion of TGO like that because of 1 stupid situation.

 

IROCZTWENTYGR8,

the problem is, it isn't just one situation. look on this first page. how many of these posts are because of rude/inapropriate comments by mods.

1badtta's situation is NOT an isolated problem. it happens day in and day on with some of the TGO mods. i learned long ago, there are just some things you don't bring up on here, even if it would help the person answering the question. because the mods are just going to lock it, or send nasty PM's.

 

I've been working on it.

 

I had the same problem under another name I had here. They don't edit anything you have to say about technical stuff. they only bleep out the curse words. which isn't that bad. however i never saw a moderator or anyone switch your words around or anything like that. They did under my other name delete stuff I wrote. the guys in the v6 forum are rude. I know from experience. especially agood2.8. he is very rude. the mods in there are a little up tight as well. So I solve my problem by not going into the v6 forum. I either go to general tech. or TBI for answers to my 6. technically, my v6 MPFI does have a TBI unit. my advice, stop posting in v6 if they are giving you problems. We just had a huge discussion about this in one of my posts. if you have a problem with a moderator, contact admin with maybe a small sample of what was said. include the forum name, the offenders name and maybe a time would help too. I made such a big issue out of it that twentygr8 knows there is a problem and has instructed everyone on the proper procedure. CONTACT ADMIN. that is the procedure. please use it cause i got real close to being banished to figure it out and help everyone else figure it out.

 

Twentygr8, the job is hard...keep up the good work.

 

Yes, some Mods do need to adjust their attitude and I think that they are, but Members need to also sometimes. As soon as Mods are given a reason to go back at some1 who acts like a moron to them, and they do go back at them, I don't want to hear complaining from Members!! Because that is what I also get sometimes. They have every right to in that instance.

 

For the record-
I love TTAs, they are a sweet car.

I don't know who exactly is the one who edits everything, but just to clear up that the mods don't censor swears, the board does that automatically. And personally, I only edit posts to remove images or if someone is really out of line I will erase what they say but I don't switch people's words around.

 

Hey metallicamaro, I don't know if you're referring to what i said but, just so there's no confusion I was telling him that curse words get editted. I forgot to mention that sensorship occurs automatically. Mods do not sensor anything. Nor have I ever saw a Mod twist things around. I was just trying to explain that to the lad. I also forgot to mention that under my old name I was pretty ticked and wrote some stuff that was way out of line and that is why it was removed. Mods don't remove threads because they feel like it. They remove them when necessary. Like mine. (under my old name that is...the rude ones)

Metallicamaro here happens to be one of the nicest Mods (right next to Vader) so nobody give him (or them) any crap...please.

 

Actually it wasn't even myself that had teh brunt of the problem, but one mod in 1 thread managed to delete/ban at least 3 members for not agreeing with him. He dared people to contradict his OPINIONS and then when they would, he would ban them and delete their posts. Why he was a mod to begin with and why he himself wasn't banned is beyond me. It does seem to set the stage for others to follow though.

And no I have never accused anyone of editing someone elses posts to say things they didn't.

I just feel that to be a mod on any board, you should be held to a very high standard and some, not all, mods here aren't any better than what they are here stop.

Imagine if everyone was a moderator, anybody could do anything they wanted, well there are some that can and do.

Back under my thirdgen turbo Buick

 

Even better is when the mod of the V6 section bashes having, buying or building a V6 and spews how you should just buy a V8. Like the rest of this board doesn't do a good enough job of that. Don't even try and ask a question about anything and let it be known you own a V6. No one will have anythin to say but how you should get a V8.

Sorry bu that is the last thing anyone wants to hear from the V6 mod.

Some people like having a 6, have already owned a V8 before and chose to stick with the V6 for more than crotch grabin rights.


Would be like the mod of the small black sectoin bashing and telling everyone to build a big block. Or the auto trans mod smackin how a T56 is the only way. Why are you a mod of this section when don't own or even support what the section is about

TomP for V6 mod.


Matt

 

So when is the enima going to begin? If this site is to ever reach it's full potential (which I think is alot higher than it is now) then it need to get rid of the dead weight mods that do more to discourage people than promote the site. I will continue to use the search feature on this site, but it will be extremely rare that you will ever see me post a topic or even a technical comment (unless it relates to the turbo 3.8's). I think the owner of this site needs to sit down with all the people he has allowed to be mods and admins and set some things straight with them. The mods need to not post rude and opinianated comments in their moderator user name, if they want to act like any other member, log in with a different name. Something needs to happen around here.

 

Who is this and do you have proof??

 

I don't have the time to dig throug hte wade of crap. Last few weeks have been a mess of crap filled threads about how even fixing a V6 is worthless.

One mod never ever chimes in, talks or does anything and the other couldn't even wash his face before taking a pic and think the V6 is a waste of time and money.

[Even though we got 3 turbo and one fageol super charger V6 project going]

Hang out over at V8Buick.com and see how a board and mods run a nice friendly active forum with love for each other.

Thirdgen.org is one of the best 3rd gen forums but the there is no love.

If you own a V6 all you will hear is how you should get atleast a 305. Get a 305 and all anyone will say is don't build it get a 350 and once you have a 350 you will hear noting but how a stroker is the only way. An the next thing you know your scraping out a C5 vette for an 86 camaro.

3 problems with this forum

no love
mods who have no intrest in their sections or topics.
[They just like the power]
no love

TomP for V6 mod.

Matt

 

I don't believe that's true, don't let a few guys or instances change the way you think look at the site. I would need to see what you are talking about for real but there is 1 part of your post that particularly caught my attention, and that is your Mod request.

 

Not all mods have no interest in their forum. Some might say I'm too active in my forum because I enforce the rules "too much". I don't use the V6 board, so I can't speak about it, but the boards I frequent all seem fine.

 

if you want proof that the v6 forum has become out of control and that the mods of that forum should be re-thought, then the post that you want to check out is the Power of the 2.8L post. just to make it easier heres the link.
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=203224
i agree when a mod doesnt even like the subject of the forum, then that person should not be the mod of that form. tomp for mod. i mean, gumby hit the nail on the head. please look into this, i love this site, and i love third gens. but this is ridiculous. tomp for mod.

 

i assume you are talkign about the comments by overclocked_350 ?


if so, you may not like it, but everything he said is the truth. i don't want to turn this into a V6 vs V8 argument. but at some point you do have to live in reality, which he tried to sprinkly a dose of into that thread full of misinformation.

 

...

 

I don't see anything wrong with that post except its a little off topic. He is stating facts and opinions in a nice way, nothing wrong with that. To me, that post is just a good ol' debate.

 

I agree completely with Metalli and D316.

 

I asked him and he declined because of time constraints. (and probably not wanting to deal with the BS!!)

 

yeah I have to agree. Overclocked was stating the obvious. A motor that runs 17's is nothing to brag about. even if it is a 6. My buick ran that (before the 350 z28 addition. I got pics ) and it was a 4200lb car. This my boy is called constructive criticism. That's all he was doing. If he would have called you a retard or something then yeah I could agree with you but, he didn't do any name calling. It looks like you get defensive. most gearheads do. I do. It sucks when you think you know something. i mean you really think you really know it and then someone comes up and tells you your wrong and they have people to back them up. It sucks. I personally start to feel inadequate when this happens. But, understand that noone is trying to make anyone feel dumb. They are telling you that you are wrong. Instead of getting defensive, ask then where you are wrong. what did you say that was wrong and what is right. That's how you learn. By accepting when you may be wrong and being willing to take in some new info. It's hard to change your mind about things like this. What we are talking about in this particular thread is abusive conduct. Unfortunately, that doesn't look abusive.

 

im not saying that overclk was being rude in that post. i was stating the fact that the mods for the v6 forum do not like v6s. at least as far as i know. maybe i should've made myself more clear. sorry for any confusion.

 

I agree that as a member there was nothing wrong, but as the Mod for the V6 forum he hung hinself. If he has any right to be a mod in the V6 forum, I shoud be the one and only administrator of the rest of the board! LOOK WHERE HIS PRIORITIES LIE!! he doesn't even drive a V6 3'rd Gen, Go Figure?

 

He did own a V6. ede is a Mod there now too and owns a V6.

 

I think that if he used to own a 6 and doesn't own one any longer, he should be transfered to a forum where he'll be of more use. You lose it if you don't use it. and you can't use it if you don't have it. in other words, How can he preach v6 talk if he hasn't wrenched on one in a while. He may have forgotten a thing or two by not having one. I think that's everyone here's point. which in that case I would have to agree with you guys.

A mod in a forum should be considered "elite" among everyone else. he should know his forum front and back. if He is in the 6 chats, he should be a master at 6's. if he's a cooling expert, throw him in cooling it down. And if he's like me, a lot of knowledge on this and that but, not a master at any one thing, throw him in genereal tech. I'm sure that's the way it's supposed to be and I'm sure that Admin tries to keep it that way but, there's some slack in the belts right now.

Man if being a Mod is hard...I'd hate to be Admin.

 

The most important thing about being a Mod is keeping the board you're on clean. It doesn't matter much if they own a V6 or not, especially when there's a few Mods because usually people that know alot about a subject are put onto specific boards, but not all the time.

 

here is a quote off of one of the v6 post:


quote:
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Originally posted by DJsyclone
The V6 part of this board does a lot of V6 bashing.
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i had to suffer with a weak-kneed 3.1 for 3 years

it sucked, it couldnt get out of its own way

show me someone who can smoke my 305 with a 660 with the price of the 660 mods less than what it cost me to do my swap, and i will eat my hat

doesnt look like i will be eating my hat anytime soon


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I added the sig. just to clarify the person. this person is a mod on the v6 board. im not saying that he isnt knowledgable, but he shouldn't bash a v6 on the v6 board which he is a moderator of. thats all im saying.

 

* double post. sorry

 

I could see how that would dishearten someone in the v6 chats. but, the only thing I see that is a real violation is he is off topic. otherwise he is again speaking fact. your talking about 150 more cubic inches and 2 cylinders of more power than most 6 cylinders. If you really want cheap horsepower the only way to do it in my opinion is first start with the Chevy 502 then go from there. This crate engine is the largest that chevy built (to my knowledge) and for obvious reasons, has the most power stock of any other stock chevy engine. This motor will blast any other motor chevy ever built, assuming we are talking stock parts vs. stock parts. You want to get 10's and be sure to grab them with few mods, grab a BBC 502 and work from there. they usually run about 5k for a long block I think.
I'm not PMS'ing here I'm just posting my view point on the whole motor vs. motor nut flexing contest that I see all the time on these threads. I'm sure you guys know the ones, " a 305 will beat a 6...", " a 396 will beat a 350..." I would love to see these comments go bye bye but, so long as TGO permits it, he can say it bro. Like I said, he looks to be off topic but, other than that I don't see any violations. And like I said before, I agree with you on that being out of line only on this term:

it is a v6 chat, making comments about swapping out for a v8 in the v6 chat does seem to be out of line. It is disheartening to v6 owners and makes them feel like they are below someone else just because they have the 6 and not the 8. It is wasted space and has not technical value to it. it is mindless, opinionated criticsm. It unnecessarily states the obvious.

but, this is my opinion.
It is not against the rules to state such things, it is against the rules to stray off topic though...i think.

 

I don't feel that he was insulting them, just posting facts. BTW I need you to put what actually belongs in the Car/Engine/Transmission part of you User Cp, that mess isn't gonna be aloud. Thanks.