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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 12:37 AM
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Adjustable wonder bar

Why would you need an adjustable wonder bar?
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 05:03 AM
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yeah why would you?
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 05:46 AM
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The idea is pre-loading the brace. As to weather or not it is effective, I cannot say. I've had no experience with it. But I dont think Spohn is the kind of guy that would put it there to make it seem cooler or anything. He stand behind his product so I believe him. Here is what it says right off his website:

This adjustable version of the tubular steering brace uses a 3/4-16 right and left hand threaded double male adjuster placed in the center of the brace that threads into 4130 chrome moly TIG welded threaded tube adapters, for easy on-car pre-load adjustment.

Is this adjustment a gimmick? Honestly, a resounding no. We built one of these after a serious brain storming session just to see what it would do. We were quite honestly amazed at the crisp steering response it provided, so we decided to offer it as an option. What the adjustment allows you to do is place pre-loaded tension onto the front sub frames. It makes for a very tight front end!

I plan to get one for my track car.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 06:07 AM
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i'd guess i'm wrong, but wasn't the idea behind the wonder bar to keep the frame from flexing and prevent the frame cracking around the stearing box and not to preload the suspension? however it does seem to be a good idea.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 07:45 AM
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ummm so?how do you know if you got the right preload?or how do you know when you've gone to far?
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 09:09 AM
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The adjustable Wonder bar is designed to go along with your other adjustable parts. So you will have something to adjust all the time.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 04:08 PM
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I am very knew to suspension stuff....I understand about how pre-loading the rear suspension helps control off the line torque but how and what does preloading the front suspension help?
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 05:48 PM
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I always figured it was for the cars with really f*cked up suspension geometry (accidents, etc) that normal wonderbars don't fit on anymore.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 10:54 PM
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anyone else have any ideas?
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 11:30 PM
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I always figured it was for the cars with really f*cked up suspension geometry (accidents, etc) that normal wonderbars don't fit on anymore.
it think it would be worse to preload a crooked body
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 01:08 PM
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i need to be convinced that this would a worth while buy
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by 91banditt2
i need to be convinced that this would a worth while buy
If your car does not have the stock factory steering box support (AKA WONDER BAR) just buy the standard Non-adjustable one.

The basic purpose is the steering box support is for cars with 16" wheels and the original 245/50/16 tires.

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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by ksrammstein
anyone else have any ideas?
For those times you need more wonder?

.....Sorry....
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 12:57 AM
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For those times you need more wonder?

.....Sorry....
ouch man, that was painful
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by DJP87Z28
If your car does not have the stock factory steering box support (AKA WONDER BAR) just buy the standard Non-adjustable one.

The basic purpose is the steering box support is for cars with 16" wheels and the original 245/50/16 tires.
Not buying what i can make
Attached Thumbnails Adjustable wonder bar-mvc-317s.jpg  
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 02:22 PM
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I made one too... havent installed it though.
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Air_Adam
I always figured it was for the cars with really f*cked up suspension geometry (accidents, etc) that normal wonderbars don't fit on anymore.
BWAHAHAHahahahahaha


i donno why, but that made me laugh.






as to why.


well look at what a wonderbar does.

when you turn the wheel, the steering box turns this arm..... the arm moves the steering linkage....

but the box is mounted at the end of the "frame".... and it flexes.... so say you're turning left.... the "frame" the box is on is stressed and trys to bend to the right. towards the other side.
the oppisate occurs when you turn the other way.


its this slight bending stress that causes the cracks around the box.

this stress is what the wonderbar is suppost to correct.



but think about this.... as you turn the wheel, the frame has to take up all the slack between the bolts, wonderbar, bolts on the otherside, ect before its braced by the wonderbar.

putting preload would put tension on the bar... making it be a lil tighter... feel a lil more crisp.

will most people feel the diff? no. because most people dont have a fresh, rebuilt steering system... and you need sticky tires to put that much stress on the box anyway.... so 8" wide front tires, need not apply.





the wonderbar does NOT do anything to the suspension...... it just keeps the frame from flexing by the steering box.
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 02:40 PM
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ummm so?how do you know if you got the right preload?or how do you know when you've gone to far?
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by 91banditt2

when somthing breaks.


id ask spohn how he tells, but i would just tighten it until it was snugly preloaded... after that, you're just bending parts instead of preloading them.
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