Hello Members,

Just a simple product your alignment shop will love you for installing. These tie rod adjusting sleeves eliminate the clam shell style adjuster making adjustments much easier. Please visit the link below for more information.

Also new products coming up after we complete the front A-Arms are, in no order- Cast and camber strut mounts, bump steer kit and hopefully a front coil over kit.

Tie Rod Adjusters- www.umiperformance.com/2103

 

you know ryan, i JUST dropped dough on Spohn coil-overs cause i though this was not something you guys would be doing, now this, figures, my timing is impeccable

 

Normally I wouldnt even bother posting this, but you can get the same thing from www.colemanracing.com for half the cost, 100% markup is kind of steep.
Just something to consider.

I love your products, and I can understand the prices for parts of your own design (R&D, fabrication time and the like). Any word on the 3rd gen k members yet?

 

Its not considered a 100% mark up when you are not purchasing and just reselling them. Colemans price for (2) "universal" adjusters is $24.00 which does not include jam nuts or a finish and are cut to fit. Coleman sells a universal items and the buyer needs to cut them to size, from what I can see by quickly looking at our site is the shortest item they have is 10" which is too long and to cut it you may cut off to much thread to make them work, I am not sure.

We make a item specifically buit to fit certain vehicles, not a universal item. That item although some what simple is made by us. We purchase solid hex steel and run left and right hand threads on each end using a CNC turning center.

 

there's always someone who claims they can build something faster, better and cheaper


I've bought UMI products in the past and been very happy with the pricing and quality of the products.

 

they look ok i guess, ive gotten many things from UMI, LCA relocation brackets, adjustable panhard rod, hardware etc very nice products.... but for that price i got the edelbrocks that look alot nicer and are heavy duty too.
u should engrave ur logo on it or something, that would look nice

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

 

I bought Spohn adjusters awhile back when I re-did my front steering.

Not advocating either one... Just wanted to advocate the part itself. They make adjusting the toe VERY VERY easy. I hate stock adjusters. My jeep uses a long hollow tube, and I ditched that for a nice solid adjuster and custom tie rod bar. Just makes it so much easier to mess with.

UMI Performance: Those look nice! Glad to see you guys keep coming out with more products!

J.

 

Since this was mentioned and contested, It HAS been documented here on TGO a few times in past years and I will list the facts. The parts ARE readily availiable from Coleman in 4" Aluminum hex tierod $7.75 each-
http://www.colemanracing.com/catalog...oducts_id=4735


THen you need the jum nuts left and right hand threads- two of each.

5/8 left, 85 cents each- http://www.colemanracing.com/catalog...oducts_id=3098

5/8 right, 60 cents each- http://www.colemanracing.com/catalog...oducts_id=3099

$7.75 + 7.75 + 0.85 + 0.85 + 0.60 + 0.60 = $18.40


Now ALSO keeping with the facts, these are aluminum, but not powdercoated. THey do not look bad, I have some raw coleman tierod tubbing on my car that has been on there for several years and has no corrosion. I personally like the look of raw aluminum, it has a race look to it. You do not see flashy colors under race cars. Its generally aluminum or black.

And thats the facts from the above debate.

 

You were saying?


I am all for vendors making trick products fopr our cars. What I do not support is someone doing like Blythe just said and that is just copying other products and marking them up to a specific crowd like those on TGO that do not happen across the origin of such availiable parts for half the price. THis is a tech board designed to help eachother. Now what I LIKE to see in vendors is someone that will come on here and work with us and design things we need and would buy. I have given one quick suggestion that I KNOW would be beneficial to these cars and alignment mechanics and my post went uncommented on. I keep seeing new vendors pop up carrying the same old parts other vendors have already had for years- just with a little paint on them or sometimes even a very bright stupidd flashy color.


NOW, for the record, the one company currently doing something for us is RACECRAFT making the fabricated lowering spindles. As far as I have hear, the owners of the board will frown on him if he opens his own post talking about them and having us members HELP in the needs of us on a R&D project that is well needed and not availiable from anyone currently. All because RACECRAFT is not a board sponsor- good tech board for us TGO members right? I think not anymore. THis board got its popularity form great tech, but has gone downhill due to crap like this.


Does anybody realise the usefullness of good reputable fabricator shops coming in here and asking the question- What do you guys need ? I have not seen anyone do that. It would help the TGO members, it would help the sponsors make money if they are fair with the product- whts fair? make it and price it, if it sells, the price is fair, if not, then lower the price. This product is not fair.

 

You can leave than. I have no problem with a vendor that brings to light items I may have not seen on the net. Should they give them to us for their cost to be nice? I think not. You must have a hard time buying anything forsale. You should send your comments to Moroso or investigate for us where they purchase their items from. We all know they are the best re-packagers. I'll be waiting on your list. Because you don't want us to pay for their convenience of finding such items.

 

If I left, You would not have seen the info I posted above saving you money on a tech board you got to for advice.


Vendors can make their parts all day, I am not stopping them from doing that (Who would I being thinking I could), What I am doing is if a vendor wants to post up a product on a 'TECH BOARD' then they had better be open to discussion on it. Blyth brought that discussion and I listed the facts.Maybe you should leave and only visit vendors sites where you do not see two way discussion.

 

As I thought I clearly stated, im not knocking the vendor or the product. I run UMI parts on my car and feel for the value I couldn't have found a better part. I wasnt trying to accuse you of just reselling there product, just the fact that the same thing is out there (minus paint) for "a lot" less.

That in my opinion says alot UMI the company. Producing quality parts, equal to the competition, at competitive or better prices.

Ryan as Dean stated, the tie rod ends are available in any imaginable length (half-inch increments IIRC) off the shelf and even custom sizes from Coleman. Jam nuts are also there. Now if powdercoat is worth the extra cost to the folks here on this board, maybe you have found a market, but if they start selling like hotcakes I might have to get into the powdercoating business for myself...

Now if there really is some advantage your product offers, other than shiny paint, my ears are open.

I run the coleman pieces on my car, and can attest to there strength and quality as I snapped and outter tie rod end with no damage to the sleeve. A search of this board for 'coleman' should bring up the appropriate length sleeve.

Once again, thank you for your products, I do run your products and always look through your offerings before a purchase, I'm still waiting for a 3rd gen k-member thats up for the riggers of the road course.

You're on a seemily short list of vendors that seem to be truely interested in customer feedback as I witnessed on frrax during the 4th gen k-member test phase. Hopefully you take this criticism constructively.


-Dean- thanks for the timely reply, I've been on a dial-up connection lately, and with the politics of this board I usually am but a browser.

 

Guys I don't mean to be rude hear but why does a simple post of us releasing a item get turned into this giant debate about prices, ect? I am simpling posting a new product that we have released available and ready to go for you the buyer, if you find them cheaper and want to buy them cheaper go for it, I am not going to stop you. We are doing the best of our ability to produce items at reasonable prices. We have bills to pay and can not sell items at our cost. We need to make profit in order to stay in business. With that being said we are still less expensive then our main competition which prices range from $49 a set to $37, us being at $35 is less. I don't consider Coleman competition and I see no reason to try to compete with there pricing. We are a custom suspension manufacture, they are not. I didn't say powder coat cost that much, I did state our items include powder coat and jam nuts.


Again, I don't mean to be rude in anyway and I appreciate the purchases on the brackets, control arms and panhard bar. But when did style and best looks become part of a tie rod adjuster?? Our design is simple, thats it, there is no need for fancy milling and cutting all to adjust your tie rod ends. The Edlebroke adjusters are the EXACT same as ours including material size except that they mill the hex on the ends to make them look "fancy" this just adds more cost to the item that is not needed and why we can sell them for $2-3 cheaper a set. As for them being more "Heavy Duty" again they are the same size material, and to be honest milling the out of hex to round would decrease strength making ours more "Heavy Duty"

I am done posting in this thread unless someone has a technical question in which I will be more then happy to discuss.

Thank you,
Ryan

 

Thank you, I appreciate that and we do listen to customer feedback and appreciate constructive criticism. How ever I have found no criticism in this thread constructive. Here is what I have gathered from reading this thread-

1. Our price is to high, Coleman sell's univerisal items cheaper then what we do.

2. Our adjusters don't look fancy enough.

Constructive? More like price whinning

Again, I thank all of you who continue to supoort us by purchasing our products.

Ryan

 

i wasnt knocking your product, i like UMI's products! im just saying the price is steep for something that looks the way it does, someone wouldnt pay 15$ more for something like the edelbrocks but 2-3$ is pennies for something that adds alittle looks to the car, i mean look at all ur products u guys try to make them look good with flashy powder coatings etc, i mean everyone wants a good balance of performance and looks, yes yoours look fine but companies like edlebrock/hotchkins etc are doing the same things as you but at al most the same price with added looks, thats all im saying...

i like the logo of the UMI performance brand, im a grahic designer so i take pride in good designs, i think you would sell more of them with your logo lightly engraved with ur logo thats all even if its 3$ extra.... just trying to help.

 

Just to wiegh in a little, the way I see it, if there is only a small difference between buying say Edelbrock or UMI, I'd go UMI because they support this board and they are one of the few that make specialist parts for our cars. Universal stuff is mostly made by companies that don't give a crap about third-gens, I'd rather support those that support us.

 

the part is under the car, it will be covered in grease, oil, grime and dirt in a short amount of time, why does it need a logo? are the little critters going to be reading it as you drive over them? this is one of those pieces that has a functional purpose and nothing else, they are not really meant to be flashy. As far as UMI logos on parts, their torque arms have a HUGE logo etched into them, but its UNDER the car and you wont ever see it unless you take it off. I see no reason wasting time adding logos to parts like this, and if they did have logos and bells and whistles people would be griping about the cost because of all the wasted time and effort on all the bells and whistles. why cant people take a post like this for face value? its a company letting you know that they exist, and they have a new product, nothing else. You dont have to buy it, though i probably will, i have UMI's whole catalog on my car now and know their quality and what to expect from them, they are great people to deal with and i in no way think the are out there ripping you off. And besides, UMI supports the boards, last time i looked edelbrock, coleman and all these other people dont, if it wasn't for site sponsors, there would be no site, no place for us to gather and share info and learn about all this new stuff that out there. And no place to came and start to rant like im starting to now...

 

Ok which side has the left handed threads and how can I easily look at them and tell the differance?

 

if you look into the end of the adjuster, you should be able to find the lead thread, then follow it around the inside of the adjuster, if it travels in a clockwise rotation, its right handed, counterclockwise, left handed

 

I know this, typucally most places put a notch to denote which side encases the left handed thread.

IIRC the inner tire rod has the left handed threads. Its been a while since I've thought about that.

 

well there you go, constructive criticism, thats not a bad idea, how bout a notch the left hand side for quick reference?

 

I wish you would have had these last year before I bought the edelbrock ones.I have your subframe connectors and panhard bar.I love your products and plan on buying more of them.Any timeline on the strutmounts? Also any plans for a 3 point strut tower brace?I want to ditch my hotchkis two point.Thanks for all the great products you offer us third gen owners and keep them coming.

 

i know this to be fact, as i ordered a set of coleman's sleeves and jam nuts three years ago.

 

During the production run there is a groove placed on one end which signifies a left hand. The set in the pictures is a one off set for pictures only. Production run has a marking to indicate the threads.

 

 

hey umi dude,, i ordered youre weld in sfc's, lca's, torque arm and panhard bar.. a couple weeks ago.. great items, "fancy" finish.. and all. great products. and i too appreciate companies that sponsor thirdgen. youre services keep these classic muscle cars going and going faster and cornering better! keep up the good work. and dont mind the childsplay weve been seeing on our forums lately. i need some sway bars.. when will u guys be making some?

 

Yeah UMI when you guys gonna get some A-Arms. Love to see what you guys come up with. Maybe some special ones that you can use with air bags :OP

 

I have talked to Ryan about some of these questions...

UMI has a two point brace available now and is looking at making a three point in the early spring (I am waiting for one as well).

I asked Ryan the same question. UMI has no plans to make sway bars in the near future as they do nt have the space available for the machines required and like to make their own product rather than sub out to a third party...which Spohn does.

UMI has A arms available now. They are just finalizing the design before they ship to customers. (I ordered a set and just waiting for them to arrive). They have a thread on this with some pics as well.

 

ohhh is it to late for that group purchase :O(. If so i guess ill have to wait.

 

that GP is a couple months old already, im waiting for my set of a-arms too

 

any plans in making the 3 point strut tower brace that also fit HSRs!!!! i would really hate to make my own/ or get a BMR one and modify it.

"the project" ive been to UMI's site... and they dont have a 2 point brace for 3rd gens.... just for 4thgens.

 

Hello,

3-Point I am unsure of right now. We do have a 2-Point strut tower brace in the works like Bill (The Project) mentioned, we just haven't finished it yet and added it to our site. I posted a picture below, will be released shortly!

 

UMI has a sale on for the next two days...save 15%

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/su...ance-sale.html

It is not on their website (neither are the a-arms) but it is available. Here is a link with some pics. There are pics at the top AND bottom of page 1.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/su...rut-tower.html

 

Maybe a three point in the spring (nudge).

Can't be that hard

 

looks good but it wont clear my 383 HSR

someone acutally used 1-2" billet aluminum spacers to raise the STB up high enough to clear the HSR.... but that was a BMR peice. i would rather UMI over BMR... so wat could be done to fit the HSR?? and i'll wait fot the better 3 point brace!... get that goin

 

I am not bashing coleman racing but I bought the tie rod adjusters for them awhile back and when the car went in to get aligned they told me the adjusters bottomed out and they needed to go another +1/8". I searched the boards for the correct size before I ordered. There adjusters have about an inch that isn't threaded. So I will be going to Ryan again for parts that fit and are powdered coated.

 

I just got my UMI sfc's and I also got the sleeves not too long ago, and while I dont have any experience with the coleman pieces, the ones I got were top notch construction. I expect them to be a thousand times better than the stock pieces, and I paid like 35 bucks I think, so even if they were a little more, I'm not missing it. I'm extremely happy with my purchases, and i may buy from them again in the future.

 

Got my Tie Rod adjusters in the mail couple weeks ago, awesome!

Waiting on the carb STB

 

I got their SFC's, they are f**n diesel thick. Great quality too.

I plan on getting a set of these tie-rod adjusters before I get an alignment. And that will be after I get new tires. So, maybe this spring / summer.

As for the STB, edelbrock makes a great one for TBI / Carb cars. Its a 3pt bar. If UMI could make a 3pt STB for us TBI folks, and beat Edelbrock's price, I would definately buy from them. But the market for us TBI people isnt as hot as the tuned-port market.

 

I wanted to comment on this thread a few months back, but didn't feel like upping it back to the top from a few pages back. Have any of you guys complaining about UMI's prices looked at what their competitors charge. IIRC, 50 for spohn and 60 for hotchkis.

Anyway, simple product, looks to be a thousand times better than the stock set up. I hope you guys release a third-gen road race K-member sometime. No rush though, I'm still a broke college student

 

I just installed these with Moog inner and outer tie rods. The toe is way out even though I have them adjusted all the way in. I guess I'll have to cut a few threads off the tie rods.



Anybody else have a similar problem? Or is it just my car?

 

is just one side off? it may just be your car. Keep in mind, if the rods are bottomed out, they would also be bottomed out in the stock clamshell adjusters, so there is something wrong there.