founders performace suspension
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founders performace suspension
im looking into getting a pan hard bar an rear control arms for my 9 bolt rear end i saw a link on here about founders performance an i seen that they are for a really good deal in price. i was looking at the single adjustable control arms an adjustable pan hard bar they both come together in a set has anybody on here ever use these wanna get some feed back before i order them
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Re: founders performace suspension
New Beige! I feel compelled to respond even though I've never heard of this company because the poster is from around the area where I grew up. 
Like I said, I've never heard of Founders myself, so I have no input on their quality, good or bad, to give here. BUT, I will tell you, and I tell this to everyone now, save your money on the Panhard Bar and get an Adjustable Watts Link.
For reference, I have an '82 T/A with (as is relevant here and I can remember at this hour :P), Spohn Fabricated Spherical Upper Strut Mounts and Torque Arm, Bilstein absorbers, Hotchkis lowering springs, SFC, Sway Bars, Rear Trailing Arms, and, at one time, their Panhard Bar.
I have read on this site and others the back-and-forth on Watts Links and have always been pleased with the performance I got out back with the Panhard Bar, but I was having my exhaust done over this fall, (at Custom Tubes in Hampstead, NH, highly recommended), and I was told that if I was ever gonna go with a Watts, I had to do that before the exhaust because of any potential routing issues with the tubes.
So, after months of mulling, late this summer I finally bit the bullet and decided to go with the Fays2 Watts Link (http://fays2.net/fays2_watts_link_21_.html). I talked with Jim Fays on the phone for about 30 mins before finally buying in, and I asked him what one word would he use to describe his product's effect and he said predictable. It would make the car predictable. Hot damn was he right.
Now, I know that the cost is more than three times the amount for an aftermarket Panhard Bar, and the Hotchkis Bar was fine, I certainly felt that improvement when I got it installed years ago, but after I had the Fays2 Watts installed, (and set at -1, see there's that adjustibility at work for yeah), my car is like a frigg'n extension of my legs and arms now, a completely predictable on-rails experience. I was floored just going on on-ramps and off-ramps after the install!
I would never recommend to anyone again to go with an aftermarket Panhard Bar, and I even have a G-Body buddy jonesing for a Watts Link now after going for a ride with me, he's now making plans to try and due the swap on his Monte this winter while it's laid up.
The key is really the adjustability, it totally changes the ride, so make sure you go with one that offers it or it will only give you a slight gain over a normal aftermarket Panhard Bar. In fact, I recommend the one linked above if you ever decide to buy in yourself. It is totally worth the cash, you will be pleasantly shocked at the late-model muscle car feel that you will get out of your 20+ year old ride. I certainly was.
As a last anecdotal tale, I have a rotary on the main street that leads to the road my house is off of. Every night on the way home if there's no other cars in the rotary at the time, I hit that thing like I'm on the track and my nearly-30-year-old car (on stock 15" wheels!) sails around it with such predictability like I'm driving a frigg'n Light Cycle in Tron or something. Simply amazing and I can't recommend it enough!

Like I said, I've never heard of Founders myself, so I have no input on their quality, good or bad, to give here. BUT, I will tell you, and I tell this to everyone now, save your money on the Panhard Bar and get an Adjustable Watts Link.
For reference, I have an '82 T/A with (as is relevant here and I can remember at this hour :P), Spohn Fabricated Spherical Upper Strut Mounts and Torque Arm, Bilstein absorbers, Hotchkis lowering springs, SFC, Sway Bars, Rear Trailing Arms, and, at one time, their Panhard Bar.
I have read on this site and others the back-and-forth on Watts Links and have always been pleased with the performance I got out back with the Panhard Bar, but I was having my exhaust done over this fall, (at Custom Tubes in Hampstead, NH, highly recommended), and I was told that if I was ever gonna go with a Watts, I had to do that before the exhaust because of any potential routing issues with the tubes.
So, after months of mulling, late this summer I finally bit the bullet and decided to go with the Fays2 Watts Link (http://fays2.net/fays2_watts_link_21_.html). I talked with Jim Fays on the phone for about 30 mins before finally buying in, and I asked him what one word would he use to describe his product's effect and he said predictable. It would make the car predictable. Hot damn was he right.
Now, I know that the cost is more than three times the amount for an aftermarket Panhard Bar, and the Hotchkis Bar was fine, I certainly felt that improvement when I got it installed years ago, but after I had the Fays2 Watts installed, (and set at -1, see there's that adjustibility at work for yeah), my car is like a frigg'n extension of my legs and arms now, a completely predictable on-rails experience. I was floored just going on on-ramps and off-ramps after the install!
I would never recommend to anyone again to go with an aftermarket Panhard Bar, and I even have a G-Body buddy jonesing for a Watts Link now after going for a ride with me, he's now making plans to try and due the swap on his Monte this winter while it's laid up.
The key is really the adjustability, it totally changes the ride, so make sure you go with one that offers it or it will only give you a slight gain over a normal aftermarket Panhard Bar. In fact, I recommend the one linked above if you ever decide to buy in yourself. It is totally worth the cash, you will be pleasantly shocked at the late-model muscle car feel that you will get out of your 20+ year old ride. I certainly was.

As a last anecdotal tale, I have a rotary on the main street that leads to the road my house is off of. Every night on the way home if there's no other cars in the rotary at the time, I hit that thing like I'm on the track and my nearly-30-year-old car (on stock 15" wheels!) sails around it with such predictability like I'm driving a frigg'n Light Cycle in Tron or something. Simply amazing and I can't recommend it enough!
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Re: founders performace suspension
I've purchased their single adjustable panhard/LCA kit, along with their strut mounts. everything looks well built and fit well. no complaints so far
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Re: founders performace suspension
im looking into getting a pan hard bar an rear control arms for my 9 bolt rear end i saw a link on here about founders performance an i seen that they are for a really good deal in price. i was looking at the single adjustable control arms an adjustable pan hard bar they both come together in a set has anybody on here ever use these wanna get some feed back before i order them
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Re: founders performace suspension
I don't have any experience with that company but they look like a quality product with a nice price. If they offer a double adjustble bar get that instead.
Its nice to be able to center the axle while its on the car after its fully bolted on.
Its nice to be able to center the axle while its on the car after its fully bolted on.
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