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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 03:06 PM
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Tbi Gta?

Did pontiac ever make a GTA with a 350 TBI? Even a trans am? i have been looking around and i havent seen anything but TPI's. thanks.
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 03:07 PM
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 03:08 PM
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wow that was the fastest answer i have ever gotten.. thanks
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 04:26 PM
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there are trans ams with tbi, i have never seen a gta with tbi, but it is entirely possible. all thirdgens with tbi were LO3's, 305 tbi's.

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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 04:31 PM
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N0 GTA ever had tbi.
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 05:55 PM
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No 350TBI ever came in a F-Body.

Base offerings for the GTA was the L98 350TPI engine, but you could get a credit and the LB9 with the manual tranny. Usually automatic GTA's are either fake or warrantied manuals.
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by evil t/a
N0 GTA ever had tbi.
you may wanna hold that thought. i am not saying for sure that there absolutely were, but it is possible. for a long time people thought there were no tbi formula, trans ams, or irocs. but they were all found.
personally i can't see why anyone woudl spring all teh extra cash for the GTA trim and niceties and not keep the L98, but i have seen so many strangly optioned 3rd gens that i don't doubt any possible option combo anymore.


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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 07:42 PM
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you may wanna hold that thought. i am not saying for sure that there absolutely were, but it is possible. for a long time people thought there were no tbi formula, trans ams, or irocs. but they were all found.
personally i can't see why anyone woudl spring all teh extra cash for the GTA trim and niceties and not keep the L98, but i have seen so many strangly optioned 3rd gens that i don't doubt any possible option combo anymore.


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No, it is not possible. Yea, there were TBI TA's, it was the base motor for a while. Same for the Formula. Same with the Iroc. EVERY GTA (aside of TTA's) are TPI engines, every last one of them.

The most accurate internet source on GTA's:
http://www.gtasourcepage.com
Read this page, it'll tell you what to look for to see if its a real GTA or not (if you wanted a GTA):
http://www.gtasourcepage.com/Authentication.html

"The engine code (digit #8) can throw up a red flag immediately if you look; all GTAs were equipped with TPI engines from the factory, so look for either the "F" (5.0L) or "8" (5.7L) codes."

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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by iroc22
Base offerings for the GTA was the L98 350TPI engine, but you could get a credit and the LB9 with the manual tranny. Usually automatic GTA's are either fake or warrantied manuals.
Although a little off topic,most GTA's were automatics - for example I offer 1988 production figues that show out of 9,765 GTA's built 2,852 were LB9's but only 809 were 5 speed cars.And scince the L98 was an automatic only engine that means the other 2,041 LB9's were automatics for a total of 8,956 automatic 88 GTA's

All the other years show the same production breackdown with the exception of 1989 where 366 LB9's were made as was 366 5 speeds - probrobly due to the fact that in 1989 the L98 with t-tops combo was very common and easy to get/order where as in other years it was near impossible to get t-tops with the L98(impossible to the point where I have never seen or owned one,and I have had over a dozen 87-89 GTA's)

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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 10:18 PM
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nope, wasn't offered, pontiac wouldn't disrespect the GTA nameplate with that kind of engine
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by NJ SPEEDER


you may wanna hold that thought. i am not saying for sure that there absolutely were, but it is possible. for a long time people thought there were no tbi formula, trans ams, or irocs. but they were all found.
personally i can't see why anyone woudl spring all teh extra cash for the GTA trim and niceties and not keep the L98, but i have seen so many strangly optioned 3rd gens that i don't doubt any possible option combo anymore.


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Its not an opinion , its a FACT! NO GTA EVER HAD TBI. PERIOD
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 12:54 AM
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I see someone likes their Turbo TA's
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by TBI305Camaro
I see someone likes their Turbo TA's

Who wouldn't?
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 04:55 AM
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I see someone likes their Turbo TA's
Yeah I have a sort of problem with them

But I guess it's better than being an alcaholic or on drugs or what not.... at least thats what I keep telling myself

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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 12:55 PM
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Well the best answer is there shouldn`t be any TBI GTA`s but they are, and I have seen one! In fact it was the first bird that I wanted to buy.

THIS WAS FOR REAL & I`M NOT JOKING I know very well all the firebird`s facts and info, I`m like walking Firebird encyclopedia still growing.

So I was amazed when the seller lifted the hood. I saw TBI.
The car was a black Trans Am GTA from 1991. I have seen the invoice and all papers the car was bought new from the dealer.

This is true! I`m not joking.

To prove the theory that every combo is possible let`s see for example 5,7 liter 3 gen Fbodies with t-tops whereas they should all have hardtops with L98 engine! Or the 1991-1992 Firehawk Formulas should be red and not all of them are! Not to mention the last Firehawk which is Trans am not Formula.

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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 01:44 PM
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Well the best answer is there shouldn`t be any TBI GTA`s but they are, and I have seen one! In fact it was the first bird that I wanted to buy.

THIS WAS FOR REAL & I`M NOT JOKING I know very well all the firebird`s facts and info, I`m like walking Firebird encyclopedia still growing.

So I was amazed when the seller lifted the hood. I saw TBI.
The car was a black Trans Am GTA from 1991. I have seen the invoice and all papers the car was bought new from the dealer.

This is true! I`m not joking.

To prove the theory that every combo is possible let`s see for example 5,7 liter 3 gen Fbodies with t-tops whereas they should all have hardtops with L98 engine! Or the 1991-1992 Firehawk Formulas should be red and not all of them are! Not to mention the last Firehawk which is Trans am not Formula.

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Dude you are full of ****. Everyone already knew from day one that there all Firehawks werent RED and that L98s could be had with ttops , but there were NO TBI GTAs EVER. The all had TPI
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 02:00 PM
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ok,real quick math here

1988:
2,852 LB9 GTA's made
6,913 L98 GTA's made
9,765 total GTA's made

1989:
366 LB9 GTA's made
6,554 L98 GTA's made
1,550 LC2 GTA's made
8,470 total GTA's made

1990:
289 LB9 GTA's made
595 L98 GTA's made
884 total GTA's made

1991:
714 LB9 GTA's made
1,321 L98 GTA's made
2,035 total GTA's made

1992:
82 LB9 GTA's made
144 L98 GTA's made
226 total GTA's made

Now as you can clearly see there were never any TBI GTA's made,and the one you saw(a 1991)was a fake,as in a T/A that someone made into a GTA or,the other possibility is your not bright enough to tell the difference.

I'm sorry for being rude but this has to be the dumbest question I've ever heard and the answers are even worse,people are trying to say "well it could happen".No is the simple answer because the GTA was the top of the line Firebird,why would they put a bottom of the barrel low performance motor in it?

Steve
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by TTA850
Now as you can clearly see there were never any TBI GTA's made,and the one you saw(a 1991)was a fake,as in a T/A that someone made into a GTA or,the other possibility is your not bright enough to tell the difference.

Steve
Or he is telling a flat out lie.
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 02:17 PM
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so faceman, how could u tell it was a GTA, what did u see that made you think it was a GTA? by the badging?


I'm still laughing at "all 91-92 firehawks were red" comment
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Old Jul 31, 2002 | 05:19 PM
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I can describe the vehicle I saw:

It had GTA badging everywhere it should have of course.
it had gold diamond spoke 16" wheels
it had camel tan leather interior.
It had 140 mph speedometer.
It was written on the invoice that it was Trans Am GTA 5,0 liter.
The owner was rather old and I don`t think that he was playing in "swapping the motor" game. In fact in our country it would be very difficult to swap one.


And I`m sure that it was TBI under the hood. I don`t know what do you think but I believe my eyes and I know what I saw. I don`t know what was TBI doing out there but it was TBI.

And I would like to state that I know how GTA looks because a friend of mine has white `88 GTA, with 5,7 TPI / camel interior.
And another friend has `91 red ( used to be pewter metallic -rare color) GTA 5,7 TPI so GTA`s are more common than Formula in Poland. And they`re too heavy to do the job

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