im sorry but i hate it when these moderators keep closing these threads. There's no war going on, apologies were given and everyones giving their opinion on the subject. No wonder many people leave this site. Cant talk about anything anymore, sort of sounds like Mayor Juliany(the devil of New York)

 

I dont see that many leaving...but anyways this site is not a nontech site and wed liek to keep it that way. When its only Tech its better, no bull.

 

Sometimes I enjoy the bull. I'm just sayin...

At lease Ede explained why he closed the thread and is allowing a continuation. I thought that was pretty upstanding of him.

Oh, and in keeping with the topic, I'd take the Corvette any day of the week. It just looks better and it just HAS to be more comfortable than the Maclaren (sp?).

 

Just to add tech to this continuation of the thread, here's why the F1 will win a good street race.

ENGINE:
Type: ..................................V-12, aluminum block and heads
Type Number:............................S70/2
Bore x stroke: ....................3.38 x 3.42 in (86.0 x 87.0mm)
Displacement: ....................369.9 cu in, 6064 cc
Compression ratio: ............10.5:1
Engine-control system: ......Bosch Motronic, with port fuel injection. Twin Aluminum Water.
Emissions controls: ............3-way catalytic converter feedback fuel-air-ratio control auxiliary air pump
Valve gear: .........................chain-driven double overhead cams
4 valves per cylinder
hydraulic lifters
variable intake timing
Power (SAE net):................ 627 bhp @ 7400 rpm
Torque (SAE net):.............. 479 lb-ft @ 5600 rpm
Redline: ..............................7500 rpm

Gear Ratio Mph / 1000 rpm Max. test speed
I) ...... 3.23 8.2 -- 62mph (7500 rpm)
II) .....2.19 12.1 -- 91 mph (7500 rpm)
III).... 1.71 15.5 116 mph (7500 rpm)
IV) ... 1.39 19.1 -- 143 mph (7500 rpm)
V) ..... 1.16 23.2 -- 174 mph (7500 rpm)
VI) .... 0.93 29.4 -- 221 mph (7500 rpm)
Final) .... 2.37:1,limited slip

Wheelbase: .........................107.0 in, 2718 mm
Track, F/R: ..........................61.7/57.9 in 1568/1472 mm
Length: ................................168.8 in, 4288 mm
Width: ..................................71.6 in, 1820 mm
Height: .................................44.8 in, 1140 mm
Frontal area: ........................19.2 sq ft
Ground Clearance: ..............5 in, 120 mm
Curb Weight: .......................2495 lb, 1134 kg
Weight distribution, F/R: ....41.2/58.8%

CHASSIS/BODY:
Type:....................................unit construction with 2 rubber-isolated subframes
Body material: ....................aluminum honeycomb and carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic

SUSPENSION:
Front: ...................................Double wishbones, light alloy dampers, co-axial coil springs, anti-roll bar
Rear: ....................................Double wishbones, light alloy dampers, co-axial coil springs

Turns lock-to-lock: ..............2.7 mm
Turning circle curb-to-curb: 42.6 ft

BRAKES:
F: ............................................13.07 x 1.26-in vented disc
R: ...........................................12.01 x 1.02-in vented disc

WHEELS AND TIRES:
Wheel size:
F: ............................................9.0 x 17 in
R: ............................................11.5 x 17 in
Wheel type: ..........................cast magnesium
Tires: ....................................Goodyear F1
F: ............................................P235 45ZR 17"
R: ............................................P315 40ZR 17"

Top speed: ...........................243.1 mph
0-60 mph: .............................3.1 sec


Yes the vette is nice, but at 800 hp, you have a dragster, that's all. The F1 is 1.25 tons, and has the suspension and braking to out-do just about everything on the road.

Of the current american production lines, I love the vette, and the mods they did to the LS-1 making the new LS-6. I hate the look of the new Dodge vipers, but you still gotta respect the power they make!

Still for all out Pro Street/FORMULA 1 the McLaren will rock the competition.

As for the cost, well look at the body material!!! The body is Carbon Fiber!!!! I can't stress these points enough, it uses the most exotic materials, to make it as light, powerful, and nimble as possible. I am sure they would be more than willing to set up a race w/ the Ligenfelter Vette if Liggenfelter was up to it, but I am sure since he is quite intelligent, that he would not want to be embarassed in a loss like that.
Oh yeah, other reasons for the price--Hand built, with STRICT QC. (Not like porsche who found when they went to automated production they had less problems). To maximize thermodynamics the enging compartment is lined with 24+ karet gold. It comes with a titanium tool set, with everything you will need to work on the car. Carbon fiber body (I know a repeat, but this stuff costs big $$$) Plus look at the research cost of the thing. How many dyno/wind tunnel/flow benh hours do you think were logged.

Out of our price range, yes, overpriced, well, is SLP overpriced? The do similer amounts of research and use only the best materials, i mean $450 for headers? $350 for the cat-back? well, we got 409SS and 305 SS in thoe pipes! No wonder! Plus, all the flow bench hours finding the routing/shape/diameter that flowed the sbsolute best. I bought the set and had the headers coated, and pro installed. I had to save for 4 months on my college student budget, but it was worth it. So is the F1.

Ok I've ranted enough, I'll bet no one posts about the F1 again now
BTW the info obtained above was from
<A HREF="http://www.mclaren.f2s.com/mclaren.html">This web site</A> then click specifications, then click the F1 logo.


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Corry Lazarowitz
clazarow@voicenet.com
clazarowitz@hotmail.com
SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3" cat back (stock cat MSD ignition.
MSD Blaster SS coil.
3.73 Rear end gears
Holley AFPR
More soon when funds are avail...

[This message has been edited by Corry (edited April 12, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by Corry (edited April 12, 2001).]

 

They are all beautiful Cars.

You have to respect them For what they are, No matter who made them, how much they cost, or where they came from.




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60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )
85 Sport Coupe LG4 - Daily Driver

Just another Hot Rod kid, or thats what they all tell me.
Livin' the Stereotype

 

i agree they are both beautiful cars and you do have to respect them for what they are

with that said ill take two vettes please



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1983 CHEVROLET CAMARO with a 1986
305 C.I.D.V8 BORED .030 OVER
HIGH VOLUME OIL PUMP
FLAT-TOP PISTONS
MILD CAM
EQUAL-LENGTH HEADERS
3" CAT BACK EXHAUST W/ FLOWMASTER MUFFFLER
KEYSTONE CLASSIC WHEELS.
TH350 TRANNY
B&M RATCHET SHIFTER
STAGE THREE SHIFT KIT
(she'll spin em into third)

"Wise man once say, friends dont let friends drive Fords!!"

 

The thread was locked because it had strayed away from tech to opinion. If you want to post opinion, take it to www.nethirdgen.org.


About a year or so ago the message boards were taken down because of this problem, so non-tech threads tend to get locked quickly.

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89 iroc-z 305 tbi
k&n filtercharger, open element air filter. nuffin' else

 

to all of you here and on the other thread: first i don't want to sound like a ***** or hard *** , i'm not. the thread was closed for several reason, mostly you all are going to play nice on my board, if you don't like it here you can write me, or any of the moderators, the adminstrators, or leave. none of us want you to leave, i sure don't, and we all want you to have a good time here. if you want to post non tech go to www.nethirdgen.org i read the original thread at 5am for the first time and locked it, no i never read every word. i spend way too much time here to read everything and to read all that i look at entirely.

vortech (sic)305 posting on here saying what a poor job i do solves nothing and how there was no flame war going on. write me, or dirk if you have a problem, or idea and see if you can resolve it. i believe in my original reply i never singled you out by name did i? so why draw attention to yourself now? thank all of you for understanding.

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ICON Motorsports

1st & 3rd
MM Black Diamond 538 F&AM

 

And you thiought that ligenfelter would outdo GM, well, they did, but check this out! Was looking up Lotus GT1 info and found this never produced 2000 camaro!!!!! 770HP!!!!!!!!!!!!STOCK!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.supercars.net/SDBQ?y=2000...0ZL1%20Concept

 

In my opinion this thread has nothing to do with our cars and should be locked to. What more is there to say that hasn't already been said in the first one? What's the point and who cares. I can't afford a Million dollar car and I doubt anyone else here can so why keep talking about this and taking up space. This is a Third Generation Board which pertains to '82-'92 Camaro's and Trans Am's not Corvette's or that other hunk of junk. If you want to talk about Corvette's find a Corvette Forum. If you want to install that engine from the Vette into your Camaro or T/A then this is your place.

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'87 Trans Am:
(Engine)
305 TPI
180 Degree Thermostat
JET Fan Switch
TB Bypass
Accel 300+ 8.8 Racing Wires
Accel Super Coil
Bosch Platinium Plugs
Custom Ram Air with K&N
Removed Emissions Equipment & Cat.
(Stereo)
Full Kenwood Excelon System

 

Hey corry u forgot the mclaren doesnt have air conditioning or heat, let alone a radio, corvette, has all that and more. Ill take a black Lingenfelter corvette stage II and a 92' anniversary CAMARO Z28(CONVERTIBLE)

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

 

well, it better for a car that costs that much!

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--Steve S--
1984 Trans Am 305 LG4, 5 speed Daily Driver, Flowmaster 80 Series
Holley 600 cfm & vacuum advance Soon: Edlebrock Intake & TES

 

Actually the Mclaren DOES have AC/heat, cd player, power windows, etc.


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89 iroc-z 305 tbi
k&n filtercharger, open element air filter. nuffin' else

 

well guys it's time to lock this thread too. don't think i need to explain why do i? thanks for understanding.

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ICON Motorsports

1st & 3rd
MM Black Diamond 538 F&AM