What Will It Do?
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Car: '83 Z28, '07 Charger SRT8
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What Will It Do?
I'm building up my 350 alot in the spring, and I've started collecting the parts already. I have a few, but not all of these.
- Fresh '79 Z28 shortblock (rebuilt to original specs about 15k ago, stock type dished pistons, etc)
- AFR 195cc (68cc chamber) aluminum heads
- XE274 cam from Comp Cams
- Edelbrock RPM Air Gap intake manifold
- Holley 4150 double pumper (650cfm)
- Vacuum advance HEI w/ hotter coil, weight/spring kit (I'll adjust this as needed when its running)
Right now the 350 is almost completely stock, except for a 14x3 open air cleaner and K&N element, a set of Hedman shorty headers, and a 3" Hooker exhaust with a 3" cutout.
...Now, I know someone who recently built a 400sbc with basically the same top end as what I'm planning (although he used a 750 Demon DP and MSD ignition) and a little bigger cam. He used the same intake and heads, he also has the same rear end gears that I use (3.73)
I've seen his car consistently run VERY low 12s and hit high 11's a couple times. A chassis dyno says he made around 365 rwhp.
So now I'm curious... what would my planned setup, which is pretty similar to whats on his 400, do on a 350? A few guys have said I could hit 12s if I can shift and get tires that stick (I'm running a 4spd, not auto). I'm hoping for mid 13s
What do you guys think?
- Fresh '79 Z28 shortblock (rebuilt to original specs about 15k ago, stock type dished pistons, etc)
- AFR 195cc (68cc chamber) aluminum heads
- XE274 cam from Comp Cams
- Edelbrock RPM Air Gap intake manifold
- Holley 4150 double pumper (650cfm)
- Vacuum advance HEI w/ hotter coil, weight/spring kit (I'll adjust this as needed when its running)
Right now the 350 is almost completely stock, except for a 14x3 open air cleaner and K&N element, a set of Hedman shorty headers, and a 3" Hooker exhaust with a 3" cutout.
...Now, I know someone who recently built a 400sbc with basically the same top end as what I'm planning (although he used a 750 Demon DP and MSD ignition) and a little bigger cam. He used the same intake and heads, he also has the same rear end gears that I use (3.73)
I've seen his car consistently run VERY low 12s and hit high 11's a couple times. A chassis dyno says he made around 365 rwhp.
So now I'm curious... what would my planned setup, which is pretty similar to whats on his 400, do on a 350? A few guys have said I could hit 12s if I can shift and get tires that stick (I'm running a 4spd, not auto). I'm hoping for mid 13s
What do you guys think?
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Also, I need to know -
The AFR heads are available in straight and angle plug versions.
Will my headers (Hedman 68470 shorties) work with angle plug heads?
The AFR heads are available in straight and angle plug versions.
Will my headers (Hedman 68470 shorties) work with angle plug heads?
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Like I said before Adam, I think it is any easy 12s combo. Its pretty much exactly what I started building 2 years ago - the only difference was that I used 1.6 roller rockers and hooker 2210s. I guess you'll have lower compression though...
So far my 3600 lb car has went 114.7mph (118 corrected) so far and there is a bit more in it for sure. I think that 105ish reasonable for your planned setup.
Trevor
So far my 3600 lb car has went 114.7mph (118 corrected) so far and there is a bit more in it for sure. I think that 105ish reasonable for your planned setup.
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It could probably take a bigger carb, probably 750. The biggest issue I see is the compression. Depending upon how dished they are, of course. Also, deck height, etc.
You plan on keeping the 5 speed I presume?
You plan on keeping the 5 speed I presume?
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Originally posted by Stekman
It could probably take a bigger carb, probably 750. The biggest issue I see is the compression. Depending upon how dished they are, of course. Also, deck height, etc.
You plan on keeping the 5 speed I presume?
It could probably take a bigger carb, probably 750. The biggest issue I see is the compression. Depending upon how dished they are, of course. Also, deck height, etc.
You plan on keeping the 5 speed I presume?
Trevor - Your TA weighs 3600lbs?
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Well then if you go from 76cc to 68cc chamber heads your should be close to 10.5:1 compression but I can't see you having that much compression on a dished piston big chamber head. Was your deck zero-decked?
The car weighs 3600 with me and half a tank of fuel.
The car weighs 3600 with me and half a tank of fuel.
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Originally posted by Trevor Jacek
Well then if you go from 76cc to 68cc chamber heads your should be close to 10.5:1 compression but I can't see you having that much compression on a dished piston big chamber head. Was your deck zero-decked?
Well then if you go from 76cc to 68cc chamber heads your should be close to 10.5:1 compression but I can't see you having that much compression on a dished piston big chamber head. Was your deck zero-decked?
Does anyone know if my headers (hedman 68470 shorty) will work with angle plug heads??
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Should be mid 12s with ease assuming you have suspension mods and traction.
I have mildly ported LT1 heads with an LT1 intake and that same cam and I plan to run very low 12s or high 11s with traction. That's once I get used to driving stick, or if I get a nice big stall on a rebuilt auto. I'm using SLP 1 3/4" headers and have a 10.5:1 compression. My car is pretty light though too. I'm not sure what it is exactly, but by race season next year, it'll be some 325lbs+ under stock.
EDIT:
I don't know why I was thinking I have an XE274 cam...I went slightly smaller and took the XE268 grind instead. Either way, I'm still looking for low 12s/high 11s with this cam.
I have mildly ported LT1 heads with an LT1 intake and that same cam and I plan to run very low 12s or high 11s with traction. That's once I get used to driving stick, or if I get a nice big stall on a rebuilt auto. I'm using SLP 1 3/4" headers and have a 10.5:1 compression. My car is pretty light though too. I'm not sure what it is exactly, but by race season next year, it'll be some 325lbs+ under stock.
EDIT:
I don't know why I was thinking I have an XE274 cam...I went slightly smaller and took the XE268 grind instead. Either way, I'm still looking for low 12s/high 11s with this cam. Last edited by DuronClocker; Oct 16, 2005 at 01:39 PM.
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Your compression ratio is going to be lower than you think with dished pistons and 68cc heads on a 350.
Is your block decked? A factory piston does not come all the way to the top @ TDC. Some rebuild pistons actually sit lower than the factory piston @TDC.
you are not stuck with a 68cc head from AFR.
Head milling and chamber cc check is a extra cost option that you can order for your heads if you buy them factory direct or from a supplier that does its own machineing. ( machine shop) Milling the head will reduce the valve to piston clearance and effect the push rod lenght.
Is your block decked? A factory piston does not come all the way to the top @ TDC. Some rebuild pistons actually sit lower than the factory piston @TDC.
you are not stuck with a 68cc head from AFR.
Head milling and chamber cc check is a extra cost option that you can order for your heads if you buy them factory direct or from a supplier that does its own machineing. ( machine shop) Milling the head will reduce the valve to piston clearance and effect the push rod lenght.
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just my opinion,but I really think your looking at high 12s once you get your combo sorted out and in tune.
ever thought about a 125 hit of juice?I had great success with it in a cast piston 355 a few years ago,I just followed the tuning instructions to the T,and never hurt it a bit.
One last thing,I say stay with the 650,it's plenty of carb.Proform main bodies are cash very well spent,though.
ever thought about a 125 hit of juice?I had great success with it in a cast piston 355 a few years ago,I just followed the tuning instructions to the T,and never hurt it a bit.
One last thing,I say stay with the 650,it's plenty of carb.Proform main bodies are cash very well spent,though.



