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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

So I will try to make this a short as possible. I havent driven the car in 2 years. I just did the auto to T5 swap and bam it started on the very first try after two years of sitting. Then i had a timing cover leak, went to fix it and I dropped a bolt in the cover had to pull the more etc. I reset the timing and sure thing it starts first try again. Then I had to pull the tranny, and I re-assemble everything and now it wont start. The first time I tried I set the timing way in advance and a flame shot out of the carb, this means I have spark right? Well I reset the time straight up and it just cranks and cranks for ever. So I replace the ingnition module and coil, and test to make sure I have voltage at the distributor and it still does the same thing. So I start playing with the coil wiring and when I turn the key all my power goes out. The interior lights, noises, etc. are all gone. So I crossed my wiring somewhere, which fuses did I blow? and Why wont the darn thing start in the first place? Thanks for the help.
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

the car was running and you had a timing cove leak, you dropped a bolt in the oil pan? what made you mess with the timing and what exactly did you do?
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

Your distributor is spinning, correct?
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 10:53 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

Yes the distributor is spinning. As far as the bolt goes. I had to take the distributor out when I pulled the oil pan out because I had to lift the engine about 5 inches out of the bay and I didnt want my distributor to get smashed on the firewall. I forgot where I had the distributor stabbed so I spun the motor over to #1 and set the timing again. I shorted out my coil playing around with the wiring like and idiot so I have whole new distributor on the way (cost as much as a new coil). I am really starting to think the engine is just flooded really badly, however I changed the plugs think this may have been the problem and still no spark. I think I will be able to get it fired up once I get the new distributor, my real worry is which fuse(s) did I blow to kill the interior lights and ignition switch. Thanks guys.
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 11:03 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

Most likely the fusable links by the starter. There are two which supply power to the entire car.
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 11:08 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

Oh, I didnt think about them. Now that I think about it I hope the original owner of the car didnt chop them out because he hacked up most of this harness before I got it. You wouldnt happen to know what size they are would you?

Last edited by IROCaholic; Dec 2, 2007 at 11:10 PM. Reason: More info.
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 11:14 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

Not off of the top of my head sorry...

My car is 2 hours away otherwise I would check for you... Maybe somebody else can chime in.
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

When you spun it over to #1 on TDC was it the compression or exhaust stroke?

I have made that error and they won't run that way.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 10:31 AM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

should have been the compression stroke, I pulled the #1 plug and turned the motor over until air came out. I am waiting for my new distributor to come in and then I will check the fusible links and such and try again. Thanks for the help.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 10:41 AM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

I agree, your dizzy is probaly 180 out. The power thing could be as simple as your battery cables not tight enough.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 12:11 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

Yeah, it could be that its 180 out, however the power thing is for really I crossed two wires at the coil by mistake.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 01:02 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

?

I dont understand your last post.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

I was referring to what cooter26 said about my distributor being 180 degrees off and my power problem being the battery cable. There are three wires coming out of the distributor, 1 is positive, 1 negative and I dont know what the other does. I accidently flipped the positive and negative and when I did all my lights when out.
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Old Dec 6, 2007 | 04:14 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

Ok, quick update:

I changed the fusible links and a couple of fuses under the dash and I know have power again. My distributor has not arrived yet, but I plan on trying to start the car tomorrow before I head out of town. Thanks again for the help.
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Old Dec 6, 2007 | 04:19 PM
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Re: Cranks and Cranks but no start plus more....

Glad to hear it.
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