I was coming home from work and i met up at this light with this riced up Integra. He revved at me and thought why not there was no traffic ahead. So we take off at the green and I am just pulling away. All of a sudden his engine just high revved (you know the sound when NOS is engaged) and he slowly passes me. I mean what was with that. Bottles are for babies. Motor to motor I was whooping him but he had to go and fog me. Oh well that was the 1st import to beat my car so far.

 

hahahahhaha

 

N2O is BS.

 

Yea I thought it was pretty cheap. No matter what anyone says though my car still sounds better than his

 

bah I'd only use it to make a fast car go faster like a guy I know. His Chevelle runs 11.5's on the motor then he decided to put a system on. 210 shot got him in the 10's.

 

Yeah, that makes more sense at least.

 

Yeah, I agree with that. N20 is like steroids.

 

No offense.. just making sense....

I know it sucks to get beat by a *****..but the truth is.... N02 is an engine
mod.. I think its fair to say that there is no difference in
running N02 than there is in putting a supercharger on, or
putting a cam in, or vortech heads on your L98..

A mod is a mod.. If you would have had the N02 on your
car.. he would not have had a chance.. so no matter what
he didnt prove that his little engine is faster than yours.
he just proved that his little engine is faster because his is
modded and yours isnt.
if yours was modded, you would have won!
It's like arm wrestling....

if a guy beats you in arm wrestling, but before the arm
wrestling he drank a glass of sugar water, does that make him an *******?
he used a method he knows to win.. and it worked...
if you were the bigger guy and lost because your enegery level
was lower.. that doesnt mean you would have lost if you
had a glass of sugar water... so its all about going to the
race PREPARED!.. I see nothing wrong with any
thing that will make cars faster. hey whatever it takes to
get us into the 1/4's we want works for me.

 

ya wanna hear a sad story.....last week at ATCO i raced a modded honda civic against my Jeep and was creaming him until the very end when he opened up the bottle...it was 15.700 to a 15.698 at the end....sad for him to have to use that to beat a truck.

 

A mod is a mod and a win is a win, nitrous is just another way of making horsepower.

 

I agree with Nic,
Hp is Hp any way you look at it. If you dont like loosing to people on the hose, buy a kit yourself. Its not cheap or cheating in any way. What makes me laugh is that they still run 15's on the gas.

-Doug

 

 

Look at it this way... N2O cost, what, about $50 or so to refill, and you get maybe 5-10 sprays depending on how long you hit the button. Your car is fast, and all you have to spend is gas money to race. He has to spend gas money AND refill the bottle every once in awhile.

 

A refill should NOT cost $50.

Its around $30 by me. The amount of runs you can make on a bottle obviously depends on which jets you have installed, and how long you spray.

Think of it as a supercharger on a payment plan

-Doug

 

Putting nitrous on a slow car,
is like trying to polish a turd.

 

 

nitrous isnt like any other mod. one day that ***** will line up with someone and his bottle of liquid steroids will be depleted. suddenly, hes not winning any races. ive never heard of superchargers or cylinder heads doing that. those mods work all the time. N02 should be a last resort, like youve done everything to your motor and run low 10s. to get into the 9s you need nitrous. to put it on a 13-14 sec car etc is cheating in my opinion

 

I never considered nitrous cheating - unless you race for money, explicitly off the bottle (and use it anyway).

It is in my opinion, an insurance policy. One that can be used at any time to give an advantage to one in need. Always felt this way, and so do a lot of racers I know.

The question is, do you want to use it on a slow car?

Answer: sure, if you want it to be faster than it is on the motor. Take a 225hp 305 and squirt 100hp extra into it and you get 325hp out of a motor with no real engine work. If you use it only occasionally, the motor should be fine, throw 5 bottles a week and you find how expensive refills are and how easy it is to kill a stock motor.

 

I agree with mark a shields. If I get beat I want it to be because his engine is better, not because he has nitrous. To me its like corking a bat, its just a stupid way to get ahead. My motto is there is no replacement for displacement.

 

I mean using N20 at the end of a race is like admitting that you lost. It's like getting in a fist fight and getting totally hammered by the guy so you bring in a bigger guy to beat the other guy up and then take the credit. It's not right. If he was going to use NOS use it in the beginning or don't use it at all. Shooting it at the end because you are getting whooped is cheating in my book. Take the loss like a man and don't use the bottle. Now if he had used it in the start of the race then I consider that fair game.

 

I wouldn't consider nitrous cheating either. Hey, noone's stopping you from putting a kit on as well. It's like racing a stock TPI against someone with a Superram. They won because they put in the money and the time.

Horsepower is horsepower, regardless of if it comes from a blower, turbo, nitrous, or a 500 CI Caddy engine (also with nitrous

 

But, N20 isn't the safest form of HP, in fact it's probably one of the worst safeness wise. If you build up a motor to handle it, cool, but without out building the motor for it, and slapping it on a stock Honda or something is like boxing with osteoporosis, something's just waiting to break.

 

I know NOS is a good mod and all and that there is nothing stopping me from getting it myself (other than lack of money ) but I consider it cheating if he starts the race motor to motor but them switches on the NOS when he knows he is losing badly. I mean if I were to have NOS I would let the person know I was going to run NOS on the run by purging it and then I would use it from the get go. I wouldn't wait until I am losing then go well I will just turn on the NOS so I can pass him. That's pretty cheap. Now mind you NOS is very good and I am not putting it down or anything. I mean if you are running 12.1s in the 1/4 then a little shot of NOS to get you in the 11s is ok. But not in a slow car at the end of race starting out as a motor to motor race.

 

Most people don't spray in 1st gear and when they do very rarely will you see them spray right off the line. He won fair and sqaure, now go out and do something to make your car faster so you don't have to worry about losing to a 4 banger on the bottle anymore.

 

its actually pretty basic....you run what ya brung!

if u get beat u get beat, simple as that. please stop complaining that nitrous is cheating becuase you can add it to your car if u want. its not like its hard to come by.


deal with it.

 

bottle rockets work. It makes power, but I definitely have to agree with the idea of polishing a turd. example:

I'm at the track driving a friends '98 Cobra convertible for him. A friend of his wants to run me in his CRX. Why not right? Either gonna win or lose right?(Believe me, I had no intention of every letting that ***** even see a good view of my rear bumper) Anyhow, this CRX has a completely gutted interior, rebuilt motor, ported and polished head, cam upgrade, Cold-air, header, fart-can and 150 shot of NOS. The Cobra at the time only had a K&N. He turned on his bottle and we lined up at the line. Stage, Pre-stage, bye bye. He sprayed for all he was worth, a 15.52! Not bad for an import. Didn't look real impressive beside my 13.96, but not bad...hehehehehehe:lala:

 

I agree with this. To put it on a slow car to be fast for a few sec.'s is pretty stupid. I never liked power adders much. But I dislike N20 the most.

 

If I was going to race my daily driver because it was the only car I had (which I did with my VW), I'd want to keep it as streetable and cheap as possible.

Blower - $2000+, requires computer mods most people can't handle (if you want it done right), is on all the time so with all the extra torque ya get you have the possibility of breaking something.

Turbo - No idea but not cheap, unless someone's made a kit (possible, I don't follow turbos on V8's) a lot of custom manifold work, also requires a modded computer and sensors.

Nitrous - $600, with larger shots should use a timing controller, best bang for the buck, I can shut it off when I need to go to work.

Now if I was a kid in high school (your typical *****), I don't have a few grand. I might ask for nitrous for Christmas so I can at least read the "5.7 Tuned Port Injection" on the bumper before my opponent leaves me.

Nic is right, most people don't (can't) spray right off the line or in first because of traction problems. But I agree with most everyone else that if someone starts spraying at half track because they're behind.... that's .

My 421 pesos.

 

it is true. nitrous is fair game at the track, because money is the same no matter where you spend it. However, you cant dismiss that like everybody is saying, "whatever man, stop complaining, he won fair and square" fine...he won, but 95% of these idiots with Hondas are running stock engines and using the bottle to win. Whats going to happen when the 1.6L engine decides to quite from to much bottle? Then they are going to wish they put their money into real, permanent mods that dont require refilling or an on/off switch.

 

One thing though, isn't N20 illegal for street use?? So, that right there make's it cheating.

 

Isn't street racing illegal?

 

True, but is any other mod illegal to use on the street like N20??

 

Well yeah. Lots of them. Look through a part catalog and see how many fail emissions. hehe im just being goofy carry on

 

how do you even know he was using the bottle? did you see lots of white smoke? did you pull over and check out his mods after? the high reving you heard could have been him hitting his powerband (vtec kicking in) ....

just wondering ...

 

I don't care if someone in a Yugo had to spray a 500 shot to get by me, if he was ahead at the end of the race, he beat me fair and square.

 

I really don't see the problem with spraying a car to keep it streetable. You can bet your *** that when I'm sure my carb is dead on and my malibu is running it's best with this combo I'm going to spray it. If ricers want to spray their way into the 14's that's fine, but if you've got a stock or lightly modded TPI car like most of us, including me, do, realize that there are more and more ricers that will be able to beat you.

 

I'm sorry, but nitrous is not a mod.:nono: A mod is something that is there all the time. That would be like calling 100 octane fuel a mod. Using nitrous for the 15 second road run is crap, and anybody doing that and then bragging like they're pure and clean, is like a steroid user saying he's stronger than the natural body builder.

Or better yet, that would be like claiming yourself a "marathon man" after popping some Viagra.

I have no respect for nitrous in any way, shape, or form unless it's a regulated and sanctioned race by NHRA or something.

There....I feel better now.

 

i agree 100%

 

If its bolted down and it aint borrowed, it aint cheating, now im locking this cause its WAY off topic, the power adder board would be a good place to discuss how many "nitrous will blow up your motor man" bs stories by idiots who got stupid with jetting or were spraying on 87 octane and a crappy ignition system.