you will beat him. if he was "tuned right" and a good driver the best he could knock off would be a 13.5, but in a street race he'd never make up the car lengths you put on him out of the hole

now think of this
that LS1 in a f-body runs on AVG low 13's?
so put it in a thridgen rx7 and it runs 11's you say
so less weight cuts off 2 seconds there


well still can't really say I have no idea really about eithre of those cars
and there is quite a difference there with 5.7 vs 4.6L on build
so don't still not sure how applicable it would be


and I swear I have seen somewhere that even at 70mph the drag put on your car puts for quite a load

nah a OHV can rev fairly high as well
though I would think it would be a little harder on parts due to higher spring pressure




actually I think the cobra r motor put out the same stats as the first LS^ which if I remember was 385/385
the new ls6 though doesn't match up
but then again displacement is still quite a bit different also

the 302 and the 305 are not the same motor
but niether is your comparison between the 4.6 vs 5.7
least with the 305 vs 302 there is only 3ci difference vs more then about 60 ci I think

still the statement stands that if cobra needed the s/c to keep up only thing that kept the f-body ahead is more then 60 extra cubes



lol, I never said that sorry if it came out that way. I was trying to get across that 200 x 4 is still less than 400 x 3 (tranny gear 1:1)
QUOTE]Originally posted by zerotosixtyV8
gearing doesn't make more torque[/quote
looks like you where saying that to me


what is it you drive?

very nice
that CRX I swear is not right though
think I remember them getting 280hp all motor cars into the well into 10's on the imports
still though yeah it's not streetable and such as you said
but then again not every import is like that either

and still to me uber expensive cars mean jack
I know I can't afford them and most the population can't afford them so it doesn't matter what they run

don't mean to offend you here but it is almost like a ***** excuse of if I had this or that I could run these times


who cares what you could have done or what your car is capable of
all that matters is what you are running now

run what you brung :-)

at which point I am toast

lol, it's the torque, there's only about 400 lbs difference between the two, that = 4 tenths in the 1/4

I calculated in a third gen camaro approx 100 lbs of drag starts picking up at 98 MPH (when trapping). that is with the windows down.

.3 Liters isn't much at all.

we weren't talking about displacements, we were talking about valvetrains. the 4.6 DOHC vs. the 5.7 OHV in two cars of the same weight but a 40 HP deficeit and 30 ft. lbs gain is what made the difference lol.

lol, the f-body never was using a 350 and it wasn't to keep up, it always used a 350. Mustangs of old had a 351 as their powerhouse motor.

Highly modified IROC-Z, only import i lost to was a '94 TT supra back when I was bone stock, and it was about a car (he was stock two). every other one I've raced has been a raping or the fastest of them was close.

whoever told you that was a big fat liar lol. 280 WHP = 12s for an import. check out this guy cheesefrog, fastest streetable honda, 560+ WHP high 10s. it's a hatch. several 500 RWHP domestics are running similar times

Again I was merely using it to show that torque will overcome a weight difference and lower HP to ultimately win a race.

My friends parents S2000 ran a 13.87@101 stock, I have a video of the run also if anyone wants to host it for me..

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My friends parents S2000 ran a 13.87@101 stock, I have a video of the run also if anyone wants to host it for me..

I can host it man, how big is it.

so if 400lbs is only .4 in the 1/4
then even if the ls1 powered rx7 is running 11.99
then ls1 f-bodies are pulling 12.39 right?
I think that .1 for every 100lbs is not very accurate


?? where do you find your math?
mind showing the formula you used as well as what the Cd, area and so forth that you used?



but what about bore vs stroke differences you brought up with the 302 vs the 305
I would think between a 5.4 vs a 5.7 would have a little more of a difference possibly then 5.0 vs 5.0



this wasn't about valvetrain
it was about you making a comment that ford needed a s/c to keep up
and regardless making a drivetrain relation between a 5.7 vs a 4.6 motor isn't going to net you very good results as to which is better
too many variables to deal with
please if there are too many variables don't use it as proof
it doesn't show anything


don't know much about the performance of mustangs from that time so can't comment
but between the 302 vs the 350 in the 80's how close ofa call was it?
mainly a drivers race right?
and if I remember right the mustang had a good disadvantage on torque as rated at the motor (but don't hold me to that)
so just being that ford hasn't done that great in present time they did ok at one point in history and even using a s/c the f-body had a good displacement advantage as well



what mods do you have?

[/quote] whoever told you that was a big fat liar lol. 280 WHP = 12s for an import. check out this guy cheesefrog, fastest streetable honda, 560+ WHP high 10s. it's a hatch. several 500 RWHP domestics are running similar times [/quote]
no lies
fairly common knowledge among the import guys
but again this was comparing a full blown race car (as your CRX was said to be)
never said anything about streetable
also wouldn't that go against what ou where saying
280hp =12s for an import
but they are a torque challanged car
so what about the 325hp ls1 that runs mainly mid to low 13's
and has a bit more torque then a 280hp import?

sounds like you might be throwing one too many blanket statements around


tell that to a F1 car that puts out only 200-250lbs of torque as rated at the motor
if you want to talk about wheel torque then that is something different
but even there peak numbers mean jack
it is not so simple as torque is the master answer
torque doesn't solve everything it is just a part of the puzzle




but look I tire of this anymore
you anymore just seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing

half my post you seem to either ignore, read wrong, or put words in my mouth

so unless you actually have something worthwhile rather then just sit here for the sake of arguement I refuse to be a part anymore

and to the thread starter don't know if I talked about it or not
but read that the guy can't drive and hasn't had it dyno tuned

simple answer


YOU WIN !!!

s2k is a pain to launch as is
don't think he is going to have much luck against you