I normally don't street race because I'm old enough and wise enough to know better, but this kid needed to be spanked. I'm at a stop light and this ****d out cavalier pulls up next to me. It's got a huge metal wing bolted to the trunk, front gfx that is so low that the paint is all cracked from scraping, the interior plastic has been painted light blue. He wants to race me and he calls me an old fart and my car a piece of crap. I couldn't let it go so I said "You should find someone in your own class to race, LIKE A TODDLER ON A ****ING BIG WHEEL! He starts yelling about how he is going to kick my *** with his NOS while reving his little motor "WEEEEE, WEEEEE". The light for the cross traffic turns yellow and I said"Don't cheat the light". So of course he does, I wait for the green and get a good start. He had about 3-4 car lenghts head start. I whiped by him and went to 60MPH and tapped the brakes to flash the lights. I see him in my rearview mirror and his car is framed in smoke. He pulls up beside me and wants to race from a 35MPH rolling start, I'm still laughing at him and he is moving into my lane way too close to my car. So I pulled a hard right to lose him. I don't consider this a kill because it wasn't sporting, kinda like hunting mice with a 12 Ga. shotgun, but is was fun.

 

I seem to run into more and more cavaliers lately. I want to race the hardcore jap ****rs. Anyways I raced a ****d out cavy in my 95 from a stop and it was just brutal what I did to him. At least he was cool about it. I hate when they still won't accept defeat and then the excuses pour out.

 

it seems like the newer version of that old "quad four" found in the newer pontiac sun chickens and chevy cadavers should be faster. those lil FWD 442's werent slouches. so I wonder what gives now?

 

[RANT]how about a ****d out nothing, even GM is getting into the game. How many people you see are buying monte carlo SS's and Impala SS's with a weak *** (sell the customer what the factory wants because it is cheaper instead of what the customer wants) FWD cars with weak *** motors that look nice. Sure they are gonna get the supercharged 3.8 now! but what about the last 4 or 5 years? they put dual exhaust tips on our cars and on those cars. To me its like having the electronic fake blow off valve without all of that troublesome turbo stuff that actually might MAKE SOME POWER!!![/RANT]

 

I agree, I don't like the 3.8 powers montes and impalas and malibus eather. sure they look nice for a grandma car but they shouldn't have messed the names up with only runing a v6. I have heard that Gm will be making a rwd impala or something with a v8 in the future IT"S ABOUT TIME!

 

yeah more GM of Austrailian stuff (Holden)

Monaro = GTO

Commadore = Impala

and my favorite

Maloo = El Camino!

all of which are RWD V8 LS! stuff

 

One of my more oddball fantasys has been to strike it rich (10mill+), then move to australia just for the cars. I mean holden is fukin awsome, and the best of the jap and euro stuff gets down there. Anyway back on topic, the cavies and such i guess are better to have around than the 20 second civics, but its still slow and fwd. Good kill. Kill i guess is a bit weak of a word, but its about as close as you can get with out getting weird.

 

The Death of Muscle Cars: Drop the platform, then bring it back as a FWD V6 a few years later. Sometimes not even a few years later, like they did with the Grand Prix. 87, it was a RWD V8 car. Maybe not a musclecar, but it had guts in it. '88, it's a FWD, with an obnoxious Quad 4 and a lil' 2.8 for the buyer that wanted some power. Then, kill the ONE (two actually, but 'one' is more dramatic...) affordable pony car on the entire lineup and saturate the market with (drumroll please) SUV's!!! If there is one thing I can't stand besides the Uncle Ben's antics, it's SUV's.

But anyway, I'm seeing more "souped up" Sunfire's and Cavalier's here, too. Not many, but more than I did a few years ago. I guess the 'in' thing now is Sports Compact.

 

Musclecars are still the rulers of the streets/tracks and there's only gonna be more and more of them and RWD V8 in the next few years.

 

GM's new (and soon to be copied Im sure) "displacement on demand" feature is supposed to give V6 economy from V8s and 4 cyl econmy from V6's. According to GM it could mean the return of the large displacement engine to the street.

To them I say gimmie a 540 crate motored camaro with EFI please...

 

There's something wrong with the database which isn't filtering out the word "****." Please refrain from its use before a flame war erupts.

 

Well the quad four was replaced by the 2.4 twin cam. It is a version of the quad four but not called it. It makes 150hp as compaired to the origonal quad four that made 180. Both engines have since been dropped in favor of the new 2.2 eotech 4 banger. It only makes 140 hp. My 2001 grand am has the 2.4 twin cam in it (left over GM stock when they dropped the Z24 in 2000) and it is ok for what it is but I would never race it against anything. It loves to rev and I can click off 6300rpm with ease but its powerband is to small. Before my roomate got his SS he had a Z24 with the same motor. It was a quick car and the motor seemed to fair a bit better in a lightter car than my grand am but my basically bone stock LO3 at the time would still beat it whenever we raced.

 

That would be a neat little mod, get a Sunfire and drop the old Quad Four into it... if what you're saying is right, it made more power than the new ones do. (Huh? is this called 'Progress'?)

 

it is actually better to drop the heads and cam package that RK sport makes for that car. I can see a z24 or sunfire woopin Lo3's with that pakage. It would be around a 200hp car. They make everything for that motor now.

 

Uncle Ben does Cavalier flavor also

 

Sorry about using the term "****". I must have skimed the rules too quickly. What is the approved term to discribe a sport compact car that has been modified with nonperforming items like huge wings, 4" exhaust tips, stickers, etc. ?

 

Hmmm, I must be missing something here because I seem to recall the Quad 4 as being one of the biggest POS motors the General ever built, at least the late 80's versions were. Great idea, bad engineering and build quality. I believe this to be the primary reason it was dropped in favour of more reliable powerplants. As far as the FWD family sedan market, my supercharged 3.8 will give my Iroc a run for its money anyday and 30mpg to boot. I agree that the Impala should not have been revived as a FWD car only to make a return in a few years as a RWD. Don't forget that the powers that be in GM considered making our thirdgens FWD. The General has made some odd decisions in its history, perhaps now that Lutz (a car guy) is at the helm this trend will stop and some truly great cars will see the light of day including the Camaro.

 

You are absolutely correct about everything. The quad four had a lot of problems. They few people that I know who had one had serious problems with them. Hence the development of the more reliable 2.4 version.

 

So, even though it made more power, it made it a a bad trade-off... what a bummer. I guess it's good, fast, or cheap - pick two...

Sounds sorta like the 3.4 DOHC's also, heard a few horror stories about those.

 

DIALUP BEWARE OF MdFormula350

 

Like, good night, dude, THREE TIMES? Sheesh.

 

LOL.....o.k all those flashing pictures completely threw me off track. Cool stuff.

 

I still have a 90 grand am quad 4 HO, it's the daily driver which is fun to find the highschool kids at the lights with. 180hp is really alot for a car it's size and weight (but the 442 w/real w41 190hp). the problem with the 2.3 quad was the head gasket would blow and people kept driving till the head had cracked and was junk. GM seemed to get good castings in the end and better gaskets but, people still did not like how noisey it was when it got in the higher rpms so they made the 2.4 which had a balance shaft and smaller bore along with egr and tree huger junk. they also made the intake ports almost half the size of the 2.3 heads.

well this is way off subject now so I will stop.

 

no no its fine. that answers the question I posed. I had no idea.

 

These guys and some girls are simply are simply a discrace to all automotive engineers,performance enthusiasts, socioty in general.

I don't use the grainy term for these drivers, I know quite a few asian people who drive REAL cars, foriegn and domestic. I think it should be considered in appropriate. I tried to rally appropriate alternative terms for that, but the thread got locked. A new non-racially motivated term would be nice though since it is habit to say *****, ****-box, that's all ****....ect....I know plenty of aisian guys who have well built hondas and things and still call them **** just to be a good sport and joke around I guess, It's funny when it really is a 10 second car though. Most anti ricers are to ignorant to acknowledge that anyone is capable of building a car that can beat...oh no...don't say it....yes beat a camaro.....ohhh no.....

I have a 3000 GT SL, that i just drive. I never race, it's just a sport luxury ride for me. Unfortunatly every clown on the streets wants to race me since it is such a rare car these days, I get tired of these clowns in there civics, dodge trucks, fourth gens and all those other obnoxious drivers who refuse to keep a safe distance from me and just accept the fact that I am just driving to and from somwhere and all I care about is my digital climate control and premium sound and all around great drivability. I know how fast it is, I don't have anything to prove.

Where was everyone when i had my Trans Am war machine built specifically for loosing suckers in the turns? I loved passing those little fart-cans in the 2 lane hwy interchanges going 80+, I wonder what they thought when they hadn't seen my brake lights one time! I loved listening to thier whiny over-redlined motors struggle to catch me as I set my pace at the speed limit of the new hwy. I loved smelling the clutch smoke as they pulled the 120 mph fly-by and drive by them as the trooper was writing out a court summons and see the radiator smoking.....get a clue kids!

The Mitsubishi 3.0 DOHC is not as economical to refurbish as the SBC, so it is wise not to rag it out. I like to just drive and watch all these suckers rag out thier cars and trucks. Yes trucks! I actually raced a truck on the freeway, a chevy Z-74, It wasn't even close, he got tooled...hey he started it! That's the last time i raced on the highway, too much adrenaline at 130mph!

 

In my book r*** is not about asian people or cars it refers to cars that have nonperforming mods like huge wings, fart can exhaust tips, stickers etc. I have respect for someone with 10 sec. honda, but not for someone with a big NOS sticker on there car and no NO2 system in the car. While I'm on the subject of stickers, the only time a brand name sticker is OK on your car is when you are sponsored by that manufacturer. If you spend your money to buy a sticker to give a manufacturer free advertising you are a chump. Worse yet you are ruining it for those who compete and need the sponsorship money by devalueing it.