Well, some guy wanted to race me in his cavelier after school today, I said no, becuase there was trafic in front but he gives me a little wheel chirp anyways. It's a base model 2 door coupe, stock 03. Now I can beat this guy right? I dont want to get embarrased or anything.

 

My sister has an 03 Cavalier with the 2.2L EcoTec in it. Its decent for a 4 cylinder. If its an auto car he'll get left behind from the get go. If its a 5 speed car the results might be a little more interesting.

 

it's a stock auto I belive, but i'm not entirely sure.

 

I think you've got him either way.

 

they have 140 hp 140 ft/lbs and are fairly light

 

You will get owned...

 

lmao that sucks that people actually have to worry about losing to a cavi. Get a 350 all of you and no worrys hehe

 

If your V8 can't outrun him, i'll sell you a 2.8 that will for cheap.... You have nothing to worry about, smoke him like day old tbacco

 

I think you, the original poster, and a good portion of this board are in for rude awakening if you actually street race a stock 305 TBI car. No offense, but they can barely keep pace with your average economy car or minivan.

I've seen a stock Cavalier run in the 15s. NEVER have a I seen a stock TBI F-Body run 15s.

 

after I get a job that's where all my money will go, getting myself a 350...

 

awesome, yeah its cool that you have a 305 im just playing with you haha but yeah a 350 is definately much better, faster stock and react to mods a whole lot better too.

 

This man speaks the truth. I've had a 305 TBI, 350 TBI, and a 350 TPI, the L03 is a toad in compairision to the other two.

 

come on dave have faith

i used to work for GM the ecotec was put into the Cavalier and Sunfire for one reason

to FINALLY get into the sport compact scene

at if im not mistaken 150 horses GM puts them with a 5 speed at 15.80s in the 1/4 mile. My LO3 stock only turned 16.6 so i hate to say it but the cavaliers got ya

 

I will never own an RS for this reason. I know you have to work with what you got, but damn. The only way I would own an RS is if it were getting a transplant. I refuse to drive a car that can't even beat a Cavalier. That's prob why my first thirdgen was a 350 IROC, and my current one was when it was purchased. Not so much stock anymore though.

 

Hey man I hate to break it to you, but the cavilier will win. When I had the LO3 P.O.S., it whould HANG with my 96 cavilier, now I also have a 2003 cavilier with the 2.2 ectoc, and it will absolutely DISTROY the 96 cavilier. All three cars are autos, the 91, 96, and 03. They are pretty quick for what they are. All I can say is watch out, it is very easy to bite more than you can chew with a LO3.

 

Can you make a L03 quick? Yes. Is it cost-effective and in most cases, worthwhile? No.

Like I said, I had all three setups. The 350 TBI on a bad tune was much faster than the 305. And the untuned 350 TPI is pretty damn fast compaired to those two.

Are there cars out there that can take me out of the hole? Yeah. Have I met one? No.

 

Mixed answers, hmm. Well, I'll just race and see. and yes, I know, the 305 TBI's arent quick by any means. that's why I dont go out looking to race or talk smack about other people I know's car. but after looking for over a year at almost 50+ trashed thirdgens in my area, I came upon my RS. It was in excellent condition, straight body, super nice red leather interior, 305 TBI :-\ I knew what I was getting into, and at the time I had a decent job, as soon as I get another one I'll start saving up for my 350, maybe an LS1... that'd be nice, but probably a bit far fetched.... for now...

 

You guys act like we are talking about a 3 cylinder geo. For gods sake!!!! Pure stock the 305 needs help no question. With a little tweaking she can be aforce to deal with. I know a 350 is better that is quite obvious but not all of us have one so we make with what we have. I can say without question My 305 can toast any cavalier from a dead stop till whatever. I have raced plenty of tuners and I am damn proud of my lo3. If your is stock-----------------tweak it and have some fun. change the gears add a open element, open up the exhaust, replace the chip,--------LEARN HOW TO DRIVE!!!!!!! YES ONE DAY I WILL REMOVE THE LO3 AND USE IT AS A PAPER WEIGHT AND DROP IN A STROKER 383 BUT FOR NOW I WILL RUN MY 5.0 LITER V8 AND NOT WONDER IF I CAN BEAT A CAVALIER!!!!!!!!!

 

A "little tweaking"? You've got an aftermarket TBI setup, with an aftermarket intake manifold, hotter cam, full exhaust, gears, etc etc. That's more than a little tweaking What do you run? I wouldn't go bragging that my modded 14 second 305 is a "force to deal with". There's a local EcoTec Cavalier with intake/exhaust/chip/adjustable cam timing thats well into the 14s.

I used to own a stock LG4, which was comparable to the L03. I raced my father in the family Caravan a beat him by only a carlength to 80mph. Results were similar vs your average econobox or SUV. And my Z28 ran low 16s.

 

Sure take 5 words I said and whine about it. My point is it doesn't cost the price of a complete engine swap to a 350 then it does to tweak the engine you allready have. And if you love cavaliers so much you are in the wrong spot . Try pathetic4cyl.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!! My point is be proud of your third gen and if a ***** toasts you oh---well. I am not saying my butt has never been handed to me by a tuner because it has. I would never get rid of my camaro because it is exactly the car for me. I was just mad at all the ragging

 

"A Force to Deal With" meaning not just a pathetic stocker or even a V6 RS. I did not imply that I am beating corvettes or vipers but I am stating that I am not getting walked by a stock eco box. I am just being the defender for all 305 owners.

 

You wanna bring your mighty 305 TBI against my 350 TPI? I see you're in florida. Depending on which part, we can make this happen.

 

I am not making it my intention to claim that my 305 is such a baddazz that I can smoke your 350. I know for a fact that you would hand me my azzz on a platter. I was just sick of people saying there 305 camaro couldn't beat a cavalier. If you own a 305 and wonder if a cavalier is compitition then upgrade-upgrade-upgrade. I also hope that someday I can upgrade to a motor like yours but for know I am gonna squezze every drop from my lo3

 

The only things I did to my 305 is stuff that would swap to the 350. Sometimes parts that were too big.

Like I said, I owned a 305 TBI and I know them all too well. 2.73's, auto and a stock motor will give him a high 16 second timeslip. First thing I would do is get gears. A v6 rearend with non-posi will get you 3.42's. I think CHP's times with a 3.42 posi dropped .6

Bump the timing to 8* and get a open element. That helps alot.

 

anyways i got about a grand worth of parts and picked up about 2 seconds

sure when the 305 finally comes apart ill drop in a 350 (probably carb) but hey im having fun just like it is especially when im pulling 1.8 60 foot times and crackin mid 14s with a motor that was never ment to be

 

I think you'll lose man, In my XR5 I beat a 305 TBI BADLY! But I raced a LS Sport about a week later and only beat him by about 3 cars or so. I think he has you.

 

my stock lo3 pulled 15.6 best time at the track.

ok i lied, i had an open element. otherwise stock

but this is a 5 speed 3.08 posi stock.

 

yah there are ALOT of people on these boards that think just because it's a "camaro" that there's no possible way a 4 banger econobox car can beat it. I have beat 2 or 3 V8 thirdgens with my civic, and I've only raced 2 or 3 of them. L03 will lose if the cavi is a manual. If it's an auto, it will probably be a drivers race.

I wouldn't even give him the pleasure of whoopin you though, tell him you know your car's weak. But atleast it's not a cavalier.

 

When you have a site dedicated to a car, there is going to be ALOT of delusional people on it. Especially when they hear of some of them beating up on sick cars. What they forget is those are modded performance models. Not the regular base models.

Someone on this forum said there is no way a street honda can run 13's. They basically called me a liar when I told them its pretty easy nowadays.

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...ht=projectiroc

when i posted about my civic beating a v8 rs camaro, half the people said "Oh it had to be a v6 camaro. No way you beat a v8" and I got flamed. Oh well.

 

Ahhh yes, it was you.

Most people dont understand that stock RS's ARE NOT FAST. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

 

My civic beating a v8 Thunderbird w/ flowmaster exhaust.

And this thunderbird will whomp on stock RS camaro's.

Sorry I had to..

 

Haha, someone got walked.

 

My cousin has an 04 Cavy with the 2.2 Ecotec and a 5 speed. And I have to admit, that sucker whips around pretty damn good.

 

No joke here, but he's to scared to race me, now he just asks me when I plan on selling it, so I can sell it to him. I'm aware a stock Lo3 isint fast, and just becusae it's a "camaro" doesnt make it faster then any 4 banger econo box. I know for a fact that my friends WRX would whoop me any day of the week. I just figured, a base 03 cavalier with an auto would be a car I could take. sorry if I'm to new at this for you guys, but we all have to learn somewhere.

 

my lo3 pwns cavy's

of coarse, i have to use 100shot.

 

My L03* pwns all.


























* +95

 

I don't have any problems w/ new Cavaliers or 4.6 T-birds or new 6 cyl Mustangs and Camaros. And the only N/A import I've lost to thus far is a new Prelude.

Dump the exhaust on yours and change your rear end to a posi and atleast 3.23 gears for some good fun.

And if you're on the cheap, I picked up 10 hp and 10 lb/ft simply by going to an open element and advancing my timing to 8*.

I cannot overstate enough how these cars got screwed from the factory when it came to supporting components. Nothing wrong w/ the TBI itself, just the rest of the motor.

 

Ya the LO3 wasnt a new motor for 88. It was just an LG4 with a diff injection method on the top. Although these engines definatly don't lack in the tourque, it may be a lot less than a tpi but compared to 4 bangers and V-6s. The RS was never meant to go fast, but its still good on gas and looks great.

 

Why are you guys raggin' on this guy? Yes we all know the L03 sucks as a performance motor. Throw some headers, 3.73 posi gears, and an open element on a 5-speed car and I think the EcoCrap should be no problem.
Yes I know the 5-speed Ecotecs are fairly quick, hell the '04 3.5L Malibu's are fairly quick. The point is mod the L03 enough to where it'll be decent on the streets until there's time for an engine swap.

 

I got an 04 Cavy 2 door, I just got beat by a guy in the club I am in with his 232,000 mile 88 Firebird. Not by much but he got me and he was stock. If his motor was in better shape(it shoots the nice little white stuff)he would have beat me better.
Having your mods, I would give you the win but its not goning to be as bad as you would think it would be. I give you maybe 1 1/2 car lengths.

 

My friend(girl) has a 04 cavilier does any one think her car will rape my 84 L69 z28 is a 5 speed with the 3.73 i think thats the correct rearend any way my car is basically stock except for gutted
cat and accel distributor im preatty damn good with the stick i romped a quick 70s firebird lastnight so who thinks her car will rape myn any hands her car is dead stock i dont think i will have any problems anyone o its 4 door i deffently dont think it can if i put my 6 71 blower on it with alky injection:lala:

 

Next time include these ? . . . . . ? ? . . . .

And if you drive like you type, you'd get smoked even with the "6 71 blower on it with alky injection"

I understand you are new here, but this is 2004 and the internet and message boards are not new. Please learn some grammar and punctuation skills. Thank you.

 

I was just about to say something about that. That guy's sentence made my head hurt.

 

Hahaha lol sorry about that. It was about 5:00 am when i typed that.

 

RS stands for "Real Slow" its sad but true. about the only thing they can beat on the street are civics.

 

Much better It even makes you look more intelligent.

 

To the guy with the 84 5.0 HO...You will definatly win, that's a pretty good motor/tranny/gear combo. Those L69s rev pretty high compared to the other engine options on a third-gen. Plus they had a decent camshaft

 

wned:

 

LO3

Lose to the O3

That's exactly what's gonna happen to you if you race that cavalier, I know because i used to have an LO3 and I've lost to civics and V6 mustangs alike.....