:werd: I totally agree pasky NO WAY IN HELL A STOCK lx will run a 13.9.

 

also did you own a 3rd gen at one time 25thmustang??? IF not why are you on this board???

 

Where did I say anything about a 5.0 LX? I only said some LXs came with V6s, not all.

BTW - You "know" Mustangs? The 94+ cars are built on the SN95 platform, NOT THE FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Ive seen a few notchbacks and lxs run low 14's stock. I even saw a stock notch run a 9.0 in the eighth which is about a 14.0 in 1/4. So its possible but not likely that a stock lx will run a 13.99 or whatever. Plus with used cars you never know if they are actually stock one of the previous owners could have a had the motor rebuilt with a .30 overbore or a slightly larger cam(before you argue about how you know its the original engine, I am just using this as an example). Also it is very possible to run high 12's low 13's with stock heads and cam in a 5.0. There heads flow as well as l98's and the stock cam has like .460 lift which is bigger than my aftermarket cam. You just have to get the combo right. I have a friend who is running almost the exact same combo as 25th and runs 12.9's. But he has friends who have heads and cam swaps that barely run with him or worse. Its all about the combo. Just because one person ran one time with one combo doesnt mean another cant run better with a different combo. There are to many variables involved. Thats why I almost never call BS.

Oh and even though 25th doesnt have a thirdgen he is welcome here. I infact like him better than some thirdgen owners on this site. He never makes personal attacks or talks crap about how much better mustangs are or whatever. He just states what knows and has seen.

 

You know what is incredible here? When someone says that a LX mustang (which were the fastest) ran a 13.97 everyone here screams bull. But when one of the six-banger boys says that he can smoke anything with his twin turbo feeding a supercharger, nitrous injection, CAI (from HomeDepot nonetheless), bad ***, non-traction getting (thanks br()bert) v6 f body, thats cool man, its always possible. I would believe the mustang a long time before I would believe the V6 .

 

I believe it, but I also believe it was running slicks. I don't think whoever he was racing (IN A HEAVY VERT AND AUTO) was running slicks on the street.

 

settle down it was just a question all i want to know is how he found the site.

 

Actually I have been here since 2000 or 2001, and was originally here to get info on my cousins 86 TA. Since then I have had 3 names (89Mustang, 5.0Mustang and now 25thMustang) on here and a TON of posts. Now I post on here for fun, have met a few people from the site and post what I know. I go by experience not by what i "think" so if you dont like what I say, oh well.

I have also run H/C/I cars slower than me, it happens, but I also dont worry about them as id consider that a slow car!

 

could make a difference.

 

I was gomma let it die, but I didn't understand this comment. I never claimed I could smoke anything, I don't have twin turbos, No "CAI", not nitrous injected yet, and NO, I have an open rear and no traction. I don't need to lie about kills, I only knew what happened and that the car I rced was a convertible GT (late 80's). V6 guys usually don't claim they beat any of your "racecars" to begin with. If an all motor $ banger can outrun a v8, so can a V6 (even if it is a pushrod motor). Just to let you know, there is more than one V6 in the 12's, it's on a 125 shot, but that's still damn fast for a V6. WHen I spray, I anticipate 13's (along with a few V8 guys I run with). Have a nice day people, and please lock this thread if you don't mind.

 

Yes I was trying, and yes that's me, the MAN, running 9.0s at 80-82 mph in an LS1.

Where's my trophy?

 

hey I believe you FbodTrek, anything can happen on the street.

hell the way your 3400 sounds i bet u'd beat the **** out of me and my lg4, even if you raced me in reverse

horsepower is horsepower no matter a v6 or v8 or a golfcart.

be different, personally i love the sound of a sbc pulling 6 grand and pushing u back in ur seat until you can't breathe(not my lg4 of course!) but tackle the challenge of something not so lemming like.

keep it up FbodTrek,

Brandon

 

Thank you And thanks Insaniac, they didn't believe me The V6 isn't exactly a race car, but it's faster than the 2.8 that it came with.

 

i know the 3400s are fast. People put them in the S-10s and out of the box no-tune they run a 15.4 Id love to have a 3.4 camaro.

 

I have had 3 names (89Mustang, 5.0Mustang and now 25thMustang)



lol, arent those names asking for trouble on a Fbody board 25th? JK, Any Mustang guy is welcomed here (imo) even if they say a stock LX 5.0 runs high 13s...
:lala: :lala:

 

LOL, lost my email and password 2 imes, so I had to change names, and I dont care who the name pisses off. Im happy that I own a Mustang, and pretty happy with what I have done with it!

As far as high 13s, I know there are people that wont believe it, and thats fine, I do, and have seen it, so no big deal! I still know people who dont believe they can go 12s on bolt ons... go figure!

 

Guy i got my motor from goes 12.40 with a 90 350 in a 78 camaro.

Holley fuel pump, edelbrock rpm mani, edelbrock cam(i dont know the specs) Edelbrock aluminum heads. 4.11's . Holley 650 carb

 

Just to put things in perspective as far as female drivers are concerned......When I had my completely STOCK 1985 305 TPI iroc that ran maybe low 15's, I raced my girlfriend in her 350 vortec headed/cammed trans am that runs 13's. I SMOKED her. She sat and spin while I just flew away, then she says she shifted at about 3,500. hahahah. Not to say all women can't drive, and my girlfriend has gotten better now, but the majority just aren't INTO it like we are.

 

Technically he is right. All 79-04 Mustangs are built on the Fox chassis. The 94+ cars chassis was modified slightly, but enough that Ford applied the new model designation to it. The Sn95 cars are sometimes called the FOX-4 cars as they really are still considered Fox chassis cars.

If you put my '85 and '03 up on a lift, theylook virtually identical from underneath. Ford really needed a new chassis for '05 badly

 

I guess Im lucky, mines only 17 and ran a 14.0 with a near stock 02 GT! I cant wait till I get her behind the wheel of my car!

 

alright Fbod...more V6 help here. i've beat two fox body 5.0s AT THE DRAGSTRIP. i know that atleast one was running slicks, both might have been. i've got a video online of me (3.1 V6)pulling a new Z06 off the line, bad, at the 1/4 mile.

 

Ohh I think everyone knows it can be done, it just takes a bit of work, and whatnot. Beating a fox body Mustang is a nice accomplishment as there are a ton of stuck up 5.0 owners out there, and its nice to shut them up... Sometimes the stereotypes suck, but oh well... the timeslips dont !

 

Is this thread over yet??


We are just gonna have the same conversation again next week in another thread

 

...

 

Assuming you are referring to the most common of the Fox bodies, the 87-93 EFI/5 speed fox which runs anywhere between 92-99mph in the 1/4 BONE STOCK, how exactly did you beat them down at the track if your car runs a meager 88?

And so basically you are telling us that you jumped the gun at the light and for that split second that the Z06 was sitting their idling, you pulled him "bad" off the line? Ok now I get it

 

Missing key words here... "in the rear" Much like the 3rd gen vs 4th gen F-body, the front end is where most of the updates took place. No one considers the 3rd gen and 4th gen chassis the same, so why the Mustang?

 

So? Where's the video?

 

.....Am91's car is pretty quick. Faster than I am with LESS motor. Sorta like how an all Motor h22 in a Honda can outrun an L98. Am91 runs LOW 15's, that's faster than alot of cars. I'm not all "pro V6" or whatever, I just think it's funny that people don't believe a kill story-as if anyone has anything to gain by Lying about such things on the internet . I don't HAVE to lie, neither does AM91. I type slow (and really HATE to type to begin with) I wouldn't waste my time posting a bullshiat kill story. Show them the vid AM91, maybe the non-believers will shut up then (or think of an excuse like "He wasn't trying, He shifts like my grandma, he didn't hook, he missed a shift etc". Sounds to me like the people who have doubts can't belive such things because they either :
A: bench race too much (magazine times etc.)
B: Own a SLOW car, and can't believe less cubes can be faster
C: Think V6 f-bodies are inferior or somthing similar.

I had alot of my mechanic buddies and V8 owners tell me to lose this little motor, then they were surprised to see it run. Open your minds, either that or you're gonna end up getting owned by a Honda Civic.

 

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M5,A4 LH0 V6 8.5:1 3.1 (191) 140@4400 180@3600 MFI 3.42 ---- 3.23 vs 405hp and 400ft.lbs

 

Total I saw the video , the vette driver fell asleep at the light. Once he did get into it he beat you.



since this was brought up. A 60* v6 IS inferior (sp) to a v8 interms of performace parts out there and hp/tq gained per $. Always will be.

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=247389

 

Its not a 3.8 motor from a GN or a TTA is it???

Also low 15s isnt bad, but they rated my Grand Cherokee at a 15.4 if I remember correct... Faster than lots of cars yes, impressive, hell no!

Edit: Also, if you out 60' him, and 330 thats an accomplishment, taking him on the light has no bearing on the car at all, just the driver. I get beat at the light during test and tunes all the time, lots of people dont care what their light is!

 

Link isn't working for me. DNS doesn't resolve.

 

BECAUSE THEY ARE! Obviously its inferior if Chevy installed V8's into their performance models (Z28's, Irocs, vettes), otherwise wouldn't they have put the V6 in it?? (turbo 3.8's being the exception since their is a power adder to compensate)

I've driven a 3.1 V6 RS thirdgen camaro that was in mint condition with low miles, and I've also driven a WIDE variety of V8 thirdgens, and you guys are out of your F'n mind. Step into a V6 RS and drive it around town, it is GUTLESS. Now get into ANY base model V8 thirdgen, even a lowly LO3 and it at least has enough power to get the hell out of the way of oncoming traffic. If memory serves me correct, we took that V6 RS my buddy has and raced it against my other friends FAMILY CAR 4 door corsica and it gots its **** handed to it.

There's nothing against the n/a V6 thirdgens if you look at them for what they are...............economical good looking transportation. Personally though, I don't understand the logic in buying a muscle car that has the option of a V8 and opting for a 6, why even bother buy a muscle car then?? Just get a throw-away car like a Tempo or Chevy Celebrity and save for a V8 thirdgen in the mean time.

 

I give up......I'm SO MUCH SLOWER THAN ALL OF THE V8 CARS . Whatever....... Grow up kids.

 

there could have been something wrong with the mustang for all i know...all that i do know is that it was a 5.0 fox body. and one of these cars that i race, for whatever reason, came in and went out ON A TRAILER. don't know why but he did not drive the car to the track.

umm. as far as the race against the Z06...how about you check into what my v6 can do before you start assuming. traction is a big part of racing...i hooked up and took off while he had a few traction issues. i still consider it a fair race, he ran what he had, i ran what i had. go watch the videos of it in this thread... https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=247389

 

i never said that i beat the Z06 down the track, i said that i pulled him off the line. he wasn't sleeping, he was spinning and, even if he was sleeping...reaction times are a big part of drag racing too. i can normally hit a pretty good tree, if someone i'm racing can't...tough. i'm not going to get into a big arguement over here but please don't bash all v6s. me and fbod have put some work into our v6s to try to make them run faster than a stock v6 would. have we done it? YES. i'm looking for 1.9X 60' times once i get my intake spacers or atleast once i switch to carb. do i like v8 cars? YES. could i have simply put a 350 or 383 in my car one of the times i had my v6 out? YES. i wanted to be different. sure, there's lots and lots i cars i wouldn't outrun. but, most of the time when i go to the dragstrip i have people coming up to me wanting to know how i got that little v6 to run like that. the attention the car gets is cool even if it doesn't run 11s.

edit: i'm with fbod though, i'm not going to waste my time getting on here making stuff up to try to make my self look good to people whom i will probably never meet. if we do happen to meet on the streets or at the track, lets go...even if i loose, i still love to race.

 

Ill run ya, just another bolt on Mustang, only I drive it the 2.5 hours to the track, no trailer! JK

 

that's what i like to see...street cars on the track. i'll run ya! looks like you've 'only' got about 2.5 secs on me! i'm not trying to say anything about all mustangs, fox body or not. i've been beat by several, but i love it when i get to beat one!

 

I guess v6 people and v8 people go by a different set of values when it comes to racing. Seems like races that would'nt matter to a v8 guy mean the world to a v6 guy.

Guess i forgot how pathetic my car was when i had the v6 in it. Hell back then i'd be happy to beat a newer mini van.

And no the v6's are not slower then all v8's. But seriously guys you do have to admit SOME people are full of on this site.

 

Im a fan of street cars... Wont make mine a track only car ever, and the future of the car is pretty crazy (Id love low 10s).

As far as the V6 guys go, again it is the same thing with Mustang guys, they get judged by the car and the stereotypes before they get judged by the owner.

 

yea, i don't ever want to have a track only drag car...that's not as much fun, even if it is fast.

brobert, who are you saying is full of it? i can't wait til you take your car to the track. i bet it probably won't be more than a second quicker in the quarter than mine, if that. if it is, congrats, you're another 350 powered camaro running 13s, wow. all i ask is that people don't say, "its a v6, its slow" i know a guy who has a little ford focus, 4 banger that'd take a whole bunch of cars on this site and will easily out corner the majority of the cars on this site too. he's not spraying it either.

 

G0D damnit I DONT have a CAMARO! READ PEOPLE READ!

LOL sorry its just everyone assumes i have a camaro.

When the guy i got my motor from had it in the trams am (heavier car with crappy gears) It ran 13 something. I saw the slips and pictures. Also it ran that with the pos tpi induction. AND IF my car was a 14 second car i still have a TON of performance parts i could throw into the motor and EASILY make a TON more power. A 60* on the other hand does not. Make any excuse you like it still comes out the same.

Good luck with the car and i cant wait to see what you get,et wise, after the carb swap.

 

Slight difference here. We're talking about having a V6 in a 3300+ pound car. A Focus weighs nothing. Hell, my 61 VW with my self-built 4 cylinder ran 13's N/A. Why? It only weighs 1500 lbs.

In a heavy thirdgen, a V6 is slow. Can it be modified to be made faster? Yeah. Would the same effort put into a V8 make it faster than that, yeah. If you're into being different, go V6. If you're into going fast, go V8.

A V6 with mods will almost always be slower than a V8 with comparable mods.

Now I know some of you will miss it, so let me say it again. COMPARABLE mods.

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YEP

 

I'll second that yep, and I owned a V6.

 

You v8 owners are brickheaded. To think a v6 car could outrun a mustang .

 

Yes a V6 can...

 

maybe the slow auto peanut cammed ones...not the G92's...
id love for all you V6 haters to run my buddy steve and his V6 f-bod......hed run circles around 98% of the cars on this board

 

When their parked maybe.

The v6ers dont get it. You can mod a v6 all you want, the v8 can and always will be made to go faster and be more powerful thanks to the design, ci, and all the performance parts for it.


$ for $ the v6 will always lose.

Argue all you want. Its a fact.

Im sure fbody isnt a liar. Some people cant drive, some people dont tune their cars up and we all know most females cant drive.

Point isnt that though.

Seems like as soon as a v6 guy gets into the 15's he thinks he can bad mouth the v8s or down talk them.

Take all the work it takes to make a v6 (60* esp) to go 15's and put it into a v8. You'll be SECONDS faster EASY with room to grow.