We were merging onto the freeway and I knew he was game by the way he rode my cars bumper until we hit the "Yeild" sign.....I was at a complete stop and I then hit it and I had him for awhile neck and neck he was 2 car lengths behind me from the sign...till maybe 45-50mph? Then I could see him start to gain in my side mirror. He never did reach me because he merged into the inside lane where other cars were coming and I just left him from that point.

Cliffnotes....beat a Porsche Boxter to 45 then he started pulling on me. Would've caught up to me by 60 and passed me by 65. I am very proud of my Lb9 T/A.

Mod list: Cai....that is it.

Have I ever stated how much I HATE 2.73's??

 

Sounds about right for a regular boxer. The Boxer S cars are pretty quick and should be able to hang with an L98/LT1.

 

Sounds like a good lineup. I can lay some smack them and their rich drivers (although they are the cheapest porshe)

 

Regular Porsche Boxster has 240hp and a Boxster S has 280 hp from the factory. Those cars are for women. Man the other night my cousin just bought a brand new Porsche Carrera 911 convertible. Jesus that things flys more then his 99 Porsche 911! Those Porsche are fast! The boxsters are GAY tho.... 911s kick ***.

 

My uncle used to have a boxster S before he bought his M3, and now his NSX. For the money, they're not terribly fast...but i'd hardly call it a womans car. If i remember correctly, the Boxster and Boxster S were meant to be more agile and nimble than 1/4 mile or 0-60 fast. As much as i think the handling on our cars is amazing, i would think that a boxster would blow us away through the twisties.

Musta been nice keeping up with a $50,000 car though. Nice 'semi-kill'.

 

Boxsters are cheap, and I wouldn't necessarily call the owner of one "rich."

 

Ok if you consider the typical $50,000 price tag for a Boxster/Boxster S 'Cheap', why don't you own one? Oh? you dont like them? Well why dont you own a Corvette if $50,000 is so cheap to you.

 

Well when your a highschool kid making 6 bucks an hour, those are expensive.

 

That's the way I'm looking at it. Even if it was a massacre, I lost to a Porsche you know, I had nothing to lose. My 15yr old American "crapmobile" still hung with his German Engineered Porsche. Doesn't get much better than that.

 

They are $50,000? Holy ****, I'd rather have a Vette for sure.

EDIT: By the way, $50,000 still doesn't make the person rich.

 

I know a guy that just purchased a Boxter S with 5k miles on it for 30k. In todays autop market you'd be hard pressed to have a near new car that will perform like that for $30k. 50k is the sticker price for all the bells and whistles.

 

yeah 50k really isn't all that much..

ive had several run ins with boxters (for some reason?) and none of them survived

 

My whole family pretty much owns Porsches. Ive been in tons of diff porsches... Even Boxsters... Let me tell you.. Compare to the 911 Carrera those Boxsters SUCK! they run like high 13s for like over 40 grand... Buy a Fbody small block for cheaper price or even a LS1... Even my L98 feels lil bit quicker off the line then my cuz 911.. It only has 273lb of tq out of a 3.6 liter....

 

As much as i like Porsche, i dont think there worth all the money.. Over 70 grand you buy a base model Porsche 911 Carrera 3.6 liter that only pushes 325hp. For 50 grand you can buy a 05 Corvette with a v8 and Pushes over 400hp... Vette wins hands down IMO. For best Sport Car. You can get a LS1 Fbody with 325hp thats under 20,000 bux. Is it just me or Porsche is just a name? And your buying the name? I think the same thing kinda goes with the Vette.. Instead the vette is more reasonable..

 

Well to me, $50,000 is a lot. And while a ~$700/month payment might not be 'expensive' for some people...i can hardly see how anyone on these boards should be saying that $50,000 is CHEAP. **** T.O shows up to training camp so he doesnt have to loose $7,000 a day if he holds out...and you sayin $50,000 is cheap??? No offense but if $50,000 is cheap shouldn't you be off in some lamborghini right now filming some reality show on TLC.

And for the record...i agree. For 50k i'd take a vette hands down.

 

50,000 dollars is a lot... IF its so CHEAP!!?? Why are we driving 3rd gens then?!?!

 

50k is cheap when you're looking at porsches and their "high-class" cousins.

You definetly pay a premium to call it a porsche, but there's a reason that the name porsche carries with it such a stigma.

 

A porsche Boxster starts a 43,000 and a Boxster S starts 53k. Some info..

 

I'm not sure exactly what the problem is here. The Boxster is the cheapest Porsche that they make, what is so hard to understand? Asking someone who says that $50,000 is cheap why they aren't in a Lamborghini is just stupid.

Porsche isn't just a name, it's a quality. I don't know how many damn times we have to go over this. One day, many of you will understand that there are more things than 1/4 times that determine how much a car should be worth. Oh well.

 

Im just saying, the Corvette is the better overall car. What you rather spend 50,000 on? A 05 Vette or a Boxster S Also when you buy a Porsche or a Corvette your buying the name as well. They other day i bought 4 lil 86 Corvette hubcaps for 44 bucks each! Cuz they have a Corvette logo on them....

 

i have never driven either a corvette or porsche, but i have heard from people that any sort of distance drive in a corvette can get rather brutally uncomfortable. and porsche are rather comfortable and easier on the body on longer trip.

 

Many many people would prefer a porsche over a vette. A vette doesn't attract high class crowds that want a certain name. A corvette is just too mainstream and not elegent by any means. Sure it outperforms many exotics but that doesn't mean anything. They atract people who want to be a part of the European performance scene with the best name in automotive performance stamped on their hood..

 

There is no way I'd buy a stupid Boxster S over a Vette, despite the Vette having a cheap plastic interior and stuff. I'm just saying...

 

Ive driven a 99 Porsche 911 and a 99 Corvette LS1. Both amazing cars. I perfer.. The Vette hands down. And there both convertibles as well.... 6 speeds.. People have diff Opinions. Some ppl like the American Muscle and some like that European Stuff.

 

I would rather have a vette too. The point is that many people who have 50K + to spend on a sports car won't choose a vette. it is not because it isn't a great performer but mainly because "everyone has one". They are not rare and the same high status doesn't seem to come with owning a vette as it does with a Porsche. A lot of people don't know anything about the performance of these cars. They only know the name and the status that come with.

Wow this really got off topic.

 

Even though I make more than enough to afford a Boxster, I see no reason to spend $50k (or whatever) on a car that essentially is underpowered and is the lowest model in the manufacturer's line-up. For that matter, $70k for a 325hp 911 is a sin also, ditto for the $85K 355hp one.

Anyway, if you have $50k to spend and care only about image and aesthetics, go buy the boxster - there are worse choices. If you want to go fast (and I mean fast, buy a used C5 Vette for $30K and put $20K of parts and tuning into it and take pride in knowing that you can run with the $175K 911GT2 in anyway on anyday.

 

How quickly this turned into Porsche vs. Vette in bang for the buck vs. image.

I don't really like Porsche's, yes they are fast yadda yadda yadda, but I would rather have a Vette as well. American muscle at it's finest.

 

c6 vette lapped nurburgring in 7 minutes 59 seconds, which is only a few seconds behind mercedes SLR, lambo murcielago, gallardo.

the new Z06 ran it in 7 min 42 seconds. beating all the above mentioned and these cars Pagani Zonda S, tied the Porshce 996 GT2, and was 10 seconds behind the Carrera GT.

not bad for a 65K car. the new corvettes really look good and the interior is nice

 

dude i sat inside a C6 Vette, Man that was amazing! Couldnt imagine driving one

 

i think the new 05 corvette is a better handling and on drag than
most porsches,and it offers cool things not found in porsches like
the head display,and its much cheaper,
any way i have lap times to compare them around the top gear track tested by the same Pro driver(the stig)

Porsche 911 GT3 1.27.2
Porsche 911 Carrera S 1.28.9

Chevrolet Corvette 1.26.8

Dodge Viper SRT-10 1.28.5


so i still prefer the americans over the Germans
and if u really ritch and want to buy a brand name go for italy
and get a ferrari or a lamborghini

 

go panoz and get a ford v8 in a euro built chassis just like the cobra was in yesteryear

 

I love german cars, or any high end sports car. The biggest problem for me though is the sound, i think itd be pretty sweet to have a wrx sti but it would take me about 15 minutes to start missing the sound of the V8 in my car, so thanks but no thanks im gonna stick with my 4k firebird instead of their 50,000 dollar porsche.

 

Well, with an STi, at least you picked a car that has the closest sound to a V8 without being one. I love the sound of a turbo boxer motor through a high flow exhaust.

 

while i still dont think its the same or similar to a nice V8 rumble, ill admit WRXs have the most non-**** sounding exhaust out of all the 4cyl cars out there. theyre the only 4cyl powered cars that dont make me grimace in pain when they downshift and the exhaust starts screaming

 

That's because:
1) It's a boxer motor, so you get the different exhaust pulse, unlike the crappy straight four style motor.
2) A WRX is turbocharged. Turbochargers smooth out the flow of the exhaust, and quiet it a little bit so you don't get that nasty rattling sound from thost cheap sh*t exhausts. Any time that you hear that terrible sound, you know for sure that it's not turbo, turbo cars sound nice (SRT-4 Neon for example) so you also know that there is only a 1 in 25 chance that the car is even fast. There are fast N/A sport compacts, but not very many.

 

I admit that wrx's sound nice, but nothing will ever compare to a cammed out V8

 

id have to agree with your first point, but as for the second, just cause its turboed doesnt mean its going to make the exhaust sound "good"

i personally dont like the Neons sound, Eclipses and Talons sound like ***, turboed Hondas still sound fartlike... but something about the WRX/STI (its probably due to the motors design like you mentioned) makes it sound not-so-****-like

 

Well, you can have a turbo car sound decent with a huge exhaust, if you just put a damn muffler on it. My car had a resonator and a straight through exhaust. It sounded stock, but really really deep. NO RATTLES. I would have crashed it into a tree if it buzzed like those other cars.

 

thats the main reason i will NOT mod my Sunfire (although ive got an itch to slap a turbo on it). i absolutely will not tolerate it sounding like all those crappy *** farting, buzz bomb exhaust cars on the road. ive often wondered how the owners of those cars can stand all that high pitched resonance coming from their ride all day everyday. hell, i cant stand it for a few seconds when they drive by!

 

I was at my uncles house today, and he has a 05 NSX. I got to ride in it about 3 times for maybe like ~25 total miles (didnt drive it myself because im not a very proficient stick driver yet). It was sick. He has ti-tec (spelling?) exhaust, with an intake (dont know what brand). The thing sounds sooooooo good. I cant say it sounds like a v8, but its very very deep and throaty. Pretty loud too when you get on it. Gotta say its the best sounding car ive ever heard...hands down. It just sounds so exotic.

I cant describe what its like to be in that car when its at full throttle...the sound of the engine right behind you, with that killer exhaust note, the sound of the intake sucking in all of that air, and then having the targa top off and getting all of this wind in your face. Its ****ing amazing.

Anyway, alittle bit more on topic...how do vettes with exhaust sound?? Tell you the truth i havent heard a vette with any kind of exhaust...

 

If you want to mod it, turbo is the only way to go in my opinion.

Keep in mind that those guys most likely don't have cats or resonators. They also have intakes, and sometimes headers. I didn't have a cat on my car. If you just have a resonator, cat, and muffler, you'll be fine.

 

i agree. over on www.jbody.org, all the fastest Ecotec cars are turboed. theyre just starting to hit 12s with them on stock bottom ends

the N/A Ecotecs w boltons are a joke. theres a 6 page long post about whos going to be the first N/A Ecotec in the 14s . i dont know if anyones done it yet, but full boltons and youre struggling to hit 14s? big waste of time and $$ in my opinion

anyway, IF my Sunfire gets boosted it wont be for a loooong time. ive got way to many other cars that need work to worry about messing with the one that runs fine

 

I heard a vette with a cat back on it the other day, sounded pretty sick to me considering the Z06's have a .556 (i believe) cam in them stock.

 

Vettes sound best with BORLAs, My fathers C4 L98 has a borla setup and sounds awesome. Also heard Lt1s and LS1s with borla and its awesome.

 

i dont think turbo'd 4 and 6 bangers really sound all that bad. the n/a ones sound like either crap or ****, depending on what muffler you pick.

borla is a nice setup, but if you're talking tone, gmmg actually is a huge step over borla imo.

but if you just want loud.. hehe.....

 

A dude across the street from me has a moded wRX - it sounds like total poop until he spools it up - kinda like a rod knock in an old 911 (both have flat-style boxster engines). Sounds a lot better once it gets moving. At least its not riced out or anything.

 

OK enough is enough. 50K is not cheap. A porsche is not cheap (except 944's). Everyone whose family owns all these porsches. Shut up no one cares(if its even true). Even the Boxsters arent slow. Its a matter of what its built for. For example a Honda civic is made to transport small economic families from point a to b. OK a 3rd gen camaro it was made more or less for its handling not for a 1/4 mile pass. Thats what the monte was for. Hence everyone getting upset about our gear ratios (2.73, 3.23 and such) They were meant to be nimble higher speed cars. Montes have higher gears such as the 3.73. whew. I said all that to say that porsches are meant for road racing and not 1/4 mile even though some are used for that. Im not gonna bad mouth cars for being misused because I plan to drag my tg but stop comparing stock to stock to be something its not.

 

Funny most these ppl never been inside a Porsche For a high Class sport car, 50,000 bucks is cheap. Simple as that

 

What the hell is a small economic family? lol. $50,000 is cheap-o. We're talking about a Porsche.

 

don't forget the 2005 LS2 GTO.......

$32k new, and it would beat on the straights, and would come reasonably close on the twistys, better than any of our 3rd gens.