alright I have a 87 iroc with a 305 tpi 5.0 and a few upgrades. Engine has been completely rebuilt and has about 7 or 8,000 miles on it. Iroc was dynoed at 320hp. Now, a friend of mine is gonna get an 09 lancer evo mr fresh off the lot in a week and has been talking trash about his buzzing **** raping my iroc. Ive heard evos have around 300hp stock and hes been saying hes gonna get any engine upgrade there is available at the dealership. Im pretty confident in my car but i might just be in denial :/. What do you guys think? Ill post my exact stats later and well the evos stats are available on the mitsubishi site.

 

evo's are fast, the awd really helps them get off the line too. If you really dynoed 320 to the wheels, it should be a good race.

 

I think he might have you man, those evo's are light and quick (and gay).

 

i assume that 320 is at the motor? Thats pretty stout for a 305 TPI car. What upgrades do you have?

Evo's are high 12 second cars stock well driven. Isnt hard to get there with a V8 car but 305's and TPI can be somewhat difficult

 

the MODS are

Fedral mogal- crank, rod, and cam bearings
Meiling- Oil pump, pick up and drive
ARP- Main, rod and head bolts
Ferrea- head gasket
Victor Riez- engine gaskets and seals
Earl's- exhaust header gaskets
Dyna Gear- true roller timming chain and gears
G. M. Performance- roller camshaft and roller lifters(ram jet camshaft)
Comp Cams- push rods and valve springs
Ferrea- stainless steel valves 1.94int and 1.60 exh
World products- cylinder heads (305 torquer)
ARP- screw in rocker studs
Crane- roller rocker arms
SLP- Tri Y stainless steel headers
TPIS- adjustable fuel pressure regulator
K & N- air filters
MSD- ingnition box and high energy coil
B & M- shift improver kit
Energy suspension- trans mount and torque arm mount (polyourathane)
Moog- upper and lower ball joints, inner and outer tie rod ends, idler and pitman arm
KYB- front struts, upper mounts and rear shocks
Moog- front and rear coil springs

The Engine: 1987 305 LB9 the block was hot tanked, then acid dipped to make sure it was clean and rust free. then it was bored and decked to (zero deck)by Morris Engine Service. Then it was "eye browed". that means the top of the deck and the cylinder wall were machined/ported to exactly match the combustion chamber on the clyinder head. it has a 10 10 iron crankshaft using Fedral mogal bearings ARP bolts hold the mains down, I used a Dyna gear true seamless double roller timming chain. a GM performance Roller camshaft and lifters the cam is 196* int and 206* exh @.0.050, lift is 0.430 int and 0.450 exh. The cam was degreed at installation. (I will give you a spec sheet later). Cylinder heads are World Products 305 torquer. they came bare casting with 1.94 int valve and 1.50 exh valve i had them cut for 1.6 on the exhaust and used Ferrea Stainless steal narrowed stem and back cut valves. the heads were ported by C-Port Inductions they have a full out port job. the chambers a real nice. we got ride of some valve shrouding and matched them to the block thats a race trick to help out the effencicy of the engine. the intake and the exhaust runners were also done as well as the bowls (under the valve) they use Comp cam springs and retainers ARP rocker studs and Guild plates topped with Crane roller rockers( 1.5) the intake, plenum, runners were also ported and match so there is no disruption of air flow. the throttle body is stock except for the coolant bypass which might effect cold weather driving. the headers are pretty cool, they are stainless steal SLP TRI Y headers (hard to find) whats cool is, you could have bought these headers at the dealer back in 1987 and had them installed as a dealer option. it has a stock electric fuel pump. (in the Tank) and stock injectors that were professinaly cleaned before installing. it does have a ajustable fuel pressure regulator from TPIS. the ignition is a stock distributor. with a high energy MSD coil, and MSD 6AL ignition box. as you can tell from the pictures this stuff is well hidden. I wanted it to look stock but have a decent amount of power too. i can show this stuff when you get here. The transmission was go through and a B&M shift improver was also add to firm up the shifts. (which is actualy better for the trans). The rear axle is also been gone through with the posi being tightend up a little and the gears being change from the stock 2.73 to Richmond 3.42 just to help it get of the that stop sign a little better.( by the way the speedometer has been recalibrated for the gear change). I think thats all that i can think of. any quetions on this stuff just ask. Also I did all the work except for the engine machine work, the heads and porting.

 

BTW here she is <3 Dyno is attached as pdf

 

^ Those are some very impressive torque numbers from a 305....

 

thats theoretical power from a dyno sim program. Its hard to say what it would really put out but somewhere near 300 could be within reason.

Evo with any tuning/bolt ons will make well over 300hp and will be a very quick car. From a dig you cant beat them but from a roll it will be interesting

 

any suggestions on getting more horses or just better performance overall? Ive been thinking about true duals with X and no catalytics maybe?

 

If you have not done so yet, a good wide band computer tune is a must.

 

I'll keep it short.

What a WASTE of f*c*ing money!

 

I seriously doubt you're anywhere close to 320 hp.
That cam is basically stock, and the sr torquer heads are basically stock replacement heads (thus the 'sr').

Honestly, you're probably in the 230-250 horse range.

That being said, I think you're gonna get spanked.

Sorry man.

 

its a process called RESTORING . since when is that a waste of money ?
sorry to hear that your part time job cant afford such things like buying a 1500 non running car and restoring it completely from top to bottom.
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the dyno doesnt lie

 

You're right. A dyno doesn't lie.
But a computer simulator program (which is what you're showing us) may lie, and not even feel bad about it afterwards

 

That's alot of extra parts for a 305

Could have just bolted on some vortec heads to a 400 and made twice the power.

You'll most likely lose to the EVO, not to burst your bubble. At least your car is nice and has some class right?

 

I gotta go with these guys, you've got a stock-ish cam in that motor, breathing through TPI Induction - a 350ci motor with those mods would be lucky to touch 320 crank hp. You might make 260hp at the crank - you've got decent heads with an anemic cam and weak stock TPI, its a mis-matched build in my opinion. Get one of the aftermarket TPI setups with a decent cam, and I bet you could find 320bhp on a 305.

Nothing wrong with building a nice restoration, but you won't get blood from a stone. That EVO will put down a low 13 pretty easily, and you'd be hard pressed to do the same from what I see.

On the other hand... I'll race ya, that would be a closer match.

 

thats not what I wanted to hear but oh well. An iroc is still alot nicer than a evo IMO. I was thinking about swaping out the engine for a LT1 383 Stroker I found on craigslist. That outta do the trick

 

An LT1 swap isn't a direct swap so you know.

I wouldn't race the EVO if I were you, you're toast if you do.

 

Just checking, but you're positive this is the Evolution X MR? The one with a base price of 39k? Not every Lancer is an Evo. Big difference.

This car?

 

idk dude.. i had a 2000 saturn SL1 and my buddy has a 2001 toyota celica... (might i remind you my saturn had 110 HP).. i totally destroyed his car by a car length.. but i think the evo will get you off the line, but after that you have him... ive seen it before, youll finish first.. ive got faith lol

 

....wow....

What does a Saturn and a Celica have to do with an all out performance vehicle? You realize the EVO's are low 13/high 12 second cars right?

 

yea im just sayin that youll be surprised n what your car can do

 

Really like your iroc but I dont think you`ll` get the evo unless he really cant drive or you run him off the road.That cars too pretty to race though.Have you ever gone to a track to see what it runs?Just let it sit there and look good.BTW there is nothing wrong or to be ashamed of IMHO with an 80`s basicly stock 305 getting beat by a brand new sports car worth 39K.Those are some nice looking gold iroc rims on that car.I used to hate my gold ones cause they looked like hell,but I`ve been seeing some really nice ones lately that are making me think of repainting them back to gold.Nice car.

 

If near-stock 305's can run low 13's/high 12's like the Evo in question, I should be racing Mustang Cobra's, not stock GT's. There is no way he's running down a new stock Evo in the mildly modded 305.

 

yup, its that one alright. thats mean looking little car . I went with my buddy to the dealer to check it out and its about 40Gs. Have you all heard of the auto/man trans. it has? The guy at the dealer said u could have it in auto mode where the car times the perfect time to shift or you could switch to man. mode where you use paddle shifters on the steering wheel and no need to worry about the clutch. It doesnt have a clutch pedel.

 

yeah alot of cars (newer) have those paddle shifters. its an auto with a shift kit essentially. I think your gonna lose man sorry but his car is a techno piece of **** designed by the japanese (i'm pretty sure) anyway sadly now adays this means ull lose.... Anyway look at it this way ur car is how much older then his, wieghs how much more then the plastic toy and u did the work urself neone could go dump X amount of money into a new car and be quick but atleast u got good taste

 

This is exactly how Camaro drivers get the "stupid, bigot red-neck" stigmatism. The lastest EVO is a very impressive car, reviered by most enthusiasts as one of the best handling sports cars, period, and certainly one of the best in its price range. Whats wrong with technology be applied to make something better than it used to be? Fuel injection, syncro-mesh transmissions, overhead valves, power windows and locks, independent front suspension, power steering, that's all technology the IROC uses, does that make it a tehcno piece of **** compared to an oldschool Model A hot-rod?

Don't get me wrong, I love my Thirdgen w/ its oldschool carb and single cam motor, but that doesn't mean I can't respect all the new technology we have available.

BTW, the tranny isn't an auto with a shift kit, its a twin clutch tranny, gears 1, 3, and 5 are actuated by one clutch, and gears 2, 4, 6, and R operate on a second clutch. This allows near instantaneous upshifts at full throttle. Everything is computer controlled, and can be kept nice an docile for crusing, and be absolutely ridiculous on the track. Combine that with the active center differential that car uses, and it makes for a car that puts the most amount of power down in any attitude you can think of, which makes it incredibly fast around the track.

 

that ugly evo weights around 3600 so it weights more than a iroc them cars never really impressed me,too many I4's awd turbo setups most of these new ugly cars with 4cyl's aren't **** without a turbo even with technology without that little turbo there nothing

 

Apples to Oranges. A 2 liter I4 making 200hp all most might not be a lot. But you've gotta keep the displacement in mind. 100hp/liter is pretty stout - I don't see a lot of streetable 5.7 liter motors making 570hp without boost. Even the new LS7 isn't making the power/displacement numbers those little I4's are.

Again, its not my technology of choice, but if the power/displacement of some of these modern engines isn't impressive to you, you're missing the point of technology and performance.

 

..and without bolt-ons, an LG4 is nothing.....

oh wait....nevermind....

 

Point? I never claim'd my LG4 with more than a few bolt on's is much, and that was never the point. The point was there are quite a few people floating around here that think the SBC/LSx is God's only automotive gift to the world, and that simple isn't the case. The SBC is my chosen platform because it's strong and cheap to mod, and makes some of the best man made noise in the world. That doesn't mean its the only fast option out there. You guys talk about this Evo like its a poorly designed, overpriced, slow piece of junk. Its defintley not cheap, but its a well thought out and designed car with a lot of power and would outrun any bolt on 3rd gen in a straight line, excluding the Turbo TA which might give it a good race. Ironically the TTA happens to be a smaller, turbocharged motor - funny how thats the fastest of all the stock 3rd gens.

 

Whoops, sorry. That wasn't meant for you. I agree with all your posts.

My post was in reference to the guy saying that I-4's are nothing without turbos.

 

hp per liter lol seems like every import lover mentions this,vvt or vtec or what ever the hell yall call it is one of the reason why these new engines put out that much power but still thats not that impressing to me them motors have to spin to 9,000 rpm or what ever to achieve that and have barely any torque

 

and some i4's need turbos to get to or over a 100 hp per liter but what good is that if the car has nothing down low till after 4 or 5 k,pushrod V-8s have very good low RPM torque due to larger displacement and can make horsepower at both high AND low RPMs

 

Formula 1 motors rev to the sky too. Does that make them crummy motors too?

PS, you sound like a typical hillbilly.

 

if there motors are so good why most of them need turbos to push out good numbers,**** i can rebuilt my motor and with the right parts i can have over 350rwhp them little 4 bangers need force induction and a light body to keep up

 

Then by using your logic, guys with big block chevy's are looking down at you for building up a 'lowly' 350 chev.

Hot rodding is hot rodding. Don't matter if you displace 100ci, or 800ci. I've said this a dozen times before.

 

nope they don't,even tho there motor is bigger there front end also gets heavier and that puts on more weight on the car

 

You know that to get 570hp from 5.7 liters you'll end up with a motor that makes its power at high revs, like 6800rpm, and has much less torque then horsepower. It'll have to have a pretty insane cam a wild intake manifold, and that'll mean it'll be as dead as ever below 4000rpm. Interesting that with just about any displacement you end up with less low end torque and your peak power at high revs as you approach that magic 100hp/liter number.

 

You mean....like a sbc in a camaro compared to an I4 in an evo? You contradict yourself.
Godamn you are retarded....

I bet you're one of those guys that thinks everyone should be driving around in a camaro..
"Hey there Cletus, nice ride! What is it?"
"It's my new camaro! Whatchu gots?"
"It'a camaro too!"
"Yee ha!"

 

shut up b1tch the evo weights more than a camaro with A V8 my z06 will smoke that evo

 

You keep missing the point - they are making incredible numbers for their displacement. There are going steps beyond our old-school technology and doing it MUCH more effeciently. If you can't see the value in that, your not much of a performance enthusiast.

 

i give them a little credit but ill stick with my pushrod v8 next yr im doing a ls2/t56 swap and them motors are superior to the older sbc they take little money to make big numbers

 

Fair enough - I'm sticking to my pushrods as well - but I do appreciate anything fast.

 

I do not like Asian cars all that much. Especially the AWD bunch. It just doesn't appeal to me. I would much rather drive a M3 or something of that sort.

I've heard mixed reviews about the Evo X. Some people say the 9 is better?


I don't care what anyone says, there is no replacement for displacement. These days, 100 hp per liter is really not that difficult. ****, you can make 550hp with L92 heads on a 6L (NA).

 

 

Then why are you wasting time modifying your 5.7?

 

my motor is a stock l98 im doing the ls2/t56 swap next yr like i said in my other post,why are you wasting time

 

I'm not wasting my time. I'm trying to educate you on your ignorance, in a vain attempt to make you a better person with a more open mind.

 

1st off, the 09 Evo's aren't available until Feb or march, your buddy is looking at an 08 Evo MR

buell:

The MR tranny is not an auto with a shift kit. It is a automated (computer controlled) manual transmission that utilizes twin clutches. One clutch is for even gears, one clutch is for the odd gears. The tranny in the MR can (depending what "mode" you have the tranny's computer in) shift gears in less than 1/2 second, faster than any human could do it. This is the same type of transmission in the Bugetti Vyron, F1 cars, and other expensive super cars.

I have driven all the Evos from the Evo VIII to the current X, and this newest MR models is hands down the best one. If you are racing and there are any sort of curves, the Evo will spank you hard. The AWD system is absolutly amazing.