what would win, they claim they rebuilt it and put new heads, manifolds on it, i still think my v6 with my rebuilt tranny would outrun it but they keep talking that it wont', am i looking at a major sleeper or what?

 

Look at it this way........WHY would ANYONE rebuild a Saturn????

 

Why would anyone want to race a Saturn?

 

I don't think it's worth the gas you'll waste if you race it.

 

HAHAHAHA

 

this has to be the most worthless part of these forums...

 

^Agreed

That being said I wouldn't even waste my time racing it at all. Its stupid and If you lost it would probably be the most embarrassing day of your life.

 

Holy crap a W86 V6 Firebird??!!

 

You are gonna get killed, especally if he got new a full rebuild with new headers and apex seals...

 

See the post titled "Camaro Vs Aveo." The dude felt so bad he dumped his V6 and went out and bought an IROC.

 

A race is a race, who cares if these aren't the quickest cars.

Unless the person knows what they are doing with that engine, I don't see that Saturn being too much of a problem. Very tight driver's race. I have a 2.8 and know how slow they are (my dad's 91 Suburban is faster 0-45mph).

Only time you would see a Saturn as a sleeper, is if it has forced induction or some kind of engine swap.

 

Gayer then aids.

i would feel like a complete tool if i...

A...tried racing my v6 fbody
B...tried racing my v6 fbody against a SATURN..
C...made a post asking who would win, my v6 fbody or a SATURN..



its really no wonder these cars have the rep that they do...

 

On a more serious note, I have personally scene very quick saturns, but they are turboed. I could dig up the videos of an old moderator of one of the saturn forums that beat a LS2 GTO at the track and a bolt on camaro SS on the street, but both those races, the saturns were turboed. An NA saturn is a high 15 second car on it's best day. Of course, the 2.8 in an Fbody is pretty slow, hell, the 2.8 is slow in my little fiero. I say race it but don't post the results on here.

 

lmao...



gayer then aids.


i say you bring YOUR car down to the track, and run MY car for some decent money!

 

You know what, it's people like YOU that give the third gen community a bad name. A race is a race, period! That's why there are different classes.

Your kind of attitude gives off the impression that nothing else is good enough unless you have a V8.

The OP wants to prove his little V6 can do something against a relatively newer Saturn. Don't discourage him with your nonsense.

And don't bother trying to argue, I'm not going to say any more after this.

 

you sound like another disgruntled v6 owner....

what does him racing a 4 banger saturn prove? NOTHING. and to come on a message forum and actually ASK about that race...im sorry, its pathetic.

this entire part of this forum is pathetic, and has been since it was created.

v6 fbodies were created as a cheaper/daily driver type vehicle...they should REMAIN that way, and this goes for ALOT of v8 thirdgens as well....some were just as slow, if not slower then v6ers.

 

Then why are you on it?

 

Why???

 

you see any threads in here created by me?


Goodluck, cuz you wont.


its hard to miss such a stupid post when you click on NEW threads at the top...

 

I understand, but why even bother if you feel that this whole part of the forum is stupid? Why make four replies to it?

Maybe both the cars aren't considered very fast, but the op is working with what he's got. To the op, 3.1 v6 had 140 horse, I think. Isn't that a high 16 or low 17 second car? It will probably get beat.

 

 

I think the OP's thread has been exhausted at this point. Just my 2 cents.

 

I will say one thing, then leave this bullet riddled thread alone. Those of us who own V8s, and especially those who like me have had the opportunity to build a serious high performance 3rd gen, may find it easy to ridicule the less fortunate.

Ill always remember my first car. It was a 57 chev, 4 door, with a tired 283 4 barrel. Im sure it made all of 145 hp. To me, it was the hottest thing on 4 wheels. Im sure I got lots of laughs too as I hot rodded it around town. But it was my first and I loved that car. It wasnt until years later, after working on many true high performance vehicles that I finally could admit that my 57, while it was a cool old car. Was not the terror of the street I had imagined it to be.

Im thankful that older car guys back then were nice enough not to ridicule me the way we have ridiculed this young man.

Nick, if you want to race your V6 against a Saturn, you go for it dude. Just please, race at the track in a safety controlled environment. We want you alive and healthy to carry on the car affliction into future generations. Doc

 

what DOC said but anyways who won?

 

doubt they raced.

 

Your challenge has been accepted. My 89 formy against whatever you got in your third gen. We need to meet up for this one, hopefully tucker07 is reading this and will reply, I am all for the race and tucker07 can record the beating I give this noob. Yes, bottle is filled and the poor old tired 383 is ready to race!

On a more serious note, as I promised, because I don't talk $#!T without backing it up, I promised the people of this board a turbo saturn that beat a bolt on camaro SS, and here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tA9Hxlfmn4

Mind you, Ian (the guy in the saturn) was a lot younger and less experienced when this video was made, now he is owner of FSR motorsports and still does alot of crazy builds. His way of thinking is making something fast that no one would expect to be fast. Everyone does Mustangs, Camaros, Vettes, Evo's, SRT-4's, STi's, etc. Start with an economy car and build that. What are you going to say? My Evo makes 350 horse? Well congrats considering you started with 280ish. Not much of an increase is it? Now start with a 105 horsepower saturn and crank out 435 horsepower, that 300%+ increase in horsepower is something to brag about! Damn noobs have alot to learn. When will they get the fact that people build and race what they have because they want to, not to be "cool" or "part of the crowd"?

 

i have a 91 rs 3.1 and i smoked a 305 92 camaro. but anyway the dude driving looked like he didnt know what he was doing.

 

You are'nt going to beat a damn thing..

Bring your 383, and i will straight F it up at the track with less cubes, and id bet, a heavier car!

Come on down to NLR raceway, headsup, no BS...i dont wanna hear cryin.

Let me know when works for you.

 

Why not route 66 or Cordova? I think Cordova would work better for me.

 

66 sucks...PERIOD!

and i dont know a damn thing about cordova, or even where its at.

Come down to NLR, some of the baddest street cars in the chi area get down there...Your 383, gutted race car shouldnt have any problems hooking down there...PS, i hope you're throwin the kitchen sink at it!

If you are actually serious, PM me and let me know, otherwise ill carry on with the DFI/turbo swap.

 

PM'd! And to the OP, people may bash you saying why would anyone build a saturn, but why would anyone build a honda civic? No reason, but it does happen. I know everyone on this board has seen a riced out civic at one time or another. Why would someone build an economy car? Because no one expects it, that is the point. I say do the race and then you'll know for next time.

 

if given the choice id built a civic before a saturn. just minus the rice

 

 

I want video of you two racing......

 

I will be there in my firebird recording all4u winning this race!!

 

please keep us updated on this ..id like to see the trash talker after the 383 on smack!

 

i wouldnt bash the saturn so much. my 99 dohc 5-speed is pretty peppy. ive beaten a lot of hondas, neons, cobalts. none i have started. my exhaust is missing the midpipe. of course i love my 'bird a million times better. but its pretty good for a winter car

 

maybe u should race my brothers civic....u wouldnt stand a chance..fully turbo built d16 motor v-tec ...saturns cars are as easy as hondas to turbo and some even look better ....saturn comes stock with as much hp as v6 camaros so the saturn could win if its built lol and its lighter

 

Amen brother, I couldn't agree w/you more! if you want to race, then build a car worth racing....

 

tipical *******

 

Excuse me? That would be typical, not tipical. If you are going to insult people, at least learn how to spell the words you are using. Maybe you should invest in a thesaurus, if you know what one is? Just a suggestion...

 

D16's are single over head cam motors. V-tec does not even mean a thing in those SOHC motors. Not to mention the d16 is the weakest of almost all honda motors. They can handle with a strengthened block low compression pistons forged internals ect.. maybe, maybe you might push close to 400 crank hp fully built to capacity. Saturn's are the same deal except there motors are made even weaker. There are cars out there that are not meant to handle power Im sorry to break it to you lovers out there. Half the amount of time and money to put that kind of power in a weak motor like a d16 or a run of the mill "saturn" you can get yourself a SBC and double that 400hp cap. Its quite common to see 600-800 hp out of a built SBC. Easily 400hp on the MILD street setups.

Now aside from my Camaro I own a 97 Turbo d16 coupe I have put maybe 2 grand into the motor.d16y7 ,Ramhorn mani, 70mm TB with port matched short runner intake mani, 60 trim T, 4'' IC piping, tial waste gate, BOV, 3'' catless exhaust & vibrant 3'' stealth muffler,forged rods and new pistons, 3 chamber alum radiator, Dyno tuned with Hondata&chipped ecu. Im running 10lbs of boost with a very mild street setup because it is my DD/winter beater. On the dyno it hit 192 whp. With no lsd its garbage none the less fun to drive.

My camaro which I got last year. I have put 1500 into the motor, including the motor itself and already I hit 348whp on the dyno. Not to mention it has posi and 11'' tires in the back I can hook. It just goes to show you, you can have fun with anything you like. But in the end there's only certain cars and combos that come out on top. There is no going around it.

 

your right....thats why i drive honda winter..and my car im gonna build is a trans am..but hondas are pretty fun for a second car..and nice put up pics of civic

 

sorry im not enough american for you..i want to see u learn my language then talk ....i came here as a refugee and i havnt been here long but at least i learned the language well enough to get around...ppl like u think everyone should go back to there country...but reality you dont even know wat country your from..TYPICAL american

 

Hey pal I am glad that you know so much about me as to my opinions on foriegnors, which I had no idea that you were! I never said a thing about you not being American enough. The topic here is about cars racing, not somebody's political views. Welcome to America, I hope you enjoy it. Because it is here for you because of veterans like me and alot of other people on this board, so show some respect please....

 

whatever you say newb...your brothers civic sounds like a heap of junk

some things just NEED to be said.

How old are you?

In Reality, you come across just like every other uneducated child around these days...

and ps, if you dont like america, or americans, GTFO.

Thanks for serving, just ignore the Newb thats posting.

 

Yeah, I am done replying to this thread, maybe he is right and should go back to his own country!

 

When you are comparing two objects, the word to use is THAN not then.
Gayer THAN aids or slower THAN V6s.

If you are going to talk crap about a race, yes a pointless race, please try to use the proper words. By the way aren't all races pointless? I guess the exception would be professional races where there is real money changing hands, but aren't all street races and 90% of the track races just stupid displays of testosterone?

Any way Than is used to compare; Then is used to illustrate order:

This is better THAN that.
First this THEN that.

 

^^^^ Testosterone, and how many traffic tickets you can rack up.

My Saturns have always been quick, and my old stick Firebird V6 was mostly a dog. It looked great, it sounded great, but it was not a high-speed car by any stretch.

Course, my Vues have honda plants in em.. and I think they are far superior to the Chevy plants of the same size. (V6) being produced these last few years.

 

im 31...

whats wrong with coming here uneducated ...and im here to be educated..

i like america and thanks a lot for its help...but i dont like the ppl like u that ruin this beautiful country...