You said 14.7 TO 14.9 AFTER whitedevilTA mentioned something.

This is your complete original post.

No need to change stories now. You said they all ran 14.7, now you're changing the situation around to make it seem more believable.

Me and ninetyone pretty much met through arguing on here, then started talking on a friendly basis. This all started I believe in September, when I mentioned that I was buying a Mustang soon (Bought it in November) and if he wanted to see how his 'Bird would stand up to one.

If you want to do the same, you're more than welcome. You mentioned that your HSR 350 eats LS1s, well you can venture down to Delaware, see how your car does against ninetyone's bolt on L98, then go against something that happens to be a little quicker. My Mustang. If you can't at least beat ninetyone's bolt on L98, I wouldn't waste the gas, because his Bird is quick to begin with.

A supercharged 3.8 Grand Prix decided they wanted in last night, saw that we were doing some roll races, and passed me at an estimated 70-80 MPH, since I think I was doing 50 something. Ninetyone saw that Grand Prix coming, got on it, and I don't think it even passed him.

READ higher so I said they all...I should have said THE BEST BIG deal who cares A stock GT still only RUNS 14.7
the question was what will it take for a 3rd GEN

BS when his L98 can even take out a STI This is just a sample of what my HSR could DO
he can come to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQbiFhBYv68

Heres one BONE STOCK with good tires running a 13.91. I'm sure I could find more if I searched a little harder. Not all GT's run 14.7. That is on the slow side man. Not trying to argue with you, just plain saying they are not all that slow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0YNZAh0hs

Granted a 13.91 is very fast for a stock one but most average a low 14. Tell me how a car with 260 HP and about the same weight runs slower than a 245 HP third gen?

No need to look there is no way it was bone stock <> LS1 engines are 13.0 - 13.4

I never saw a race, I just saw someone keep stepping on it in a trans am, and at one point you see what looks like a WRX behind the TA not racing. And BTW in the replies you say it's your fathers car, not yours.....

it is my sons PAGE <> MY car it's A STI I slowed down to 35 he tried to get a jump it was from a 35 roll

here is my page Son Still Filming same day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLJPXJPSlfw

PS I don't want you to try to tell me this is a 305 OK

haha well i said possibly because there is always the driver mod.

Oh really? Well a friend of mine ran a 12.7 at the very track you run at with a bone stock LS1.....just has good tires and an airlid on it. You need to do your homework man. Just stop now before it gets too bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNiJe1PyEPQ

Looked like the STi pretty much didn't even try to race. The 0-110 video, pulls hard, but 110 from a slow roll in like 12 seconds isn't really special. That's why roll racing is a whole lot easier, you're eliminating the launch.

In the end, videos, talking about what can do what, don't really mean much. It's what can be done in the here and now. The only way to figure that out would be to line up both cars, either at the drag strip, or from a roll.

I'd be at the drag strip myself if I had use of 2nd gear.

I've noticed that they'll never listen to that advice, just keep up with the BS stories.

I really don't even know what to say. Me and ninetyone lined up our cars on the highway, his a bolt on L98, mine a pretty much stock 2001 GT 5 speed, with an exhaust, CAI, gears, and a good driver.

Every single other thing is stock, unless someone wants to count a shifter as a mod that enhances power. Stock throttle body, stock intake manifold, stock cams, stock heads, I don't even have headers, I have stock manifolds. And on top of that, I have big 18" FR500 wheels that weigh I believe 32 pounds each. That's 28 more pounds of rotating mass than something like a stock set of IROC wheels.

WOW yes your Right you Schooled me his 12.7 virgin LS1 pulls
way better then the average 13.0 LS1

Just stop.

LOL hold on I think I can pull this out of my HAT
My friend herd his friend from never never land said

So what you're implying now is, that whitedevilTA's video of his friend's LS1 running a 12.7 is made up, or that me, and another member on here, ninetyone, didn't race? We all just made it up, pulled it out of our hats?

Get real. Some people actually get out there and run their cars. Not just fool around with a Subaru who doesn't know anyone's racing, and talk smack on a forum about what can beat what.

You really do just need to stop.

I did not imply your friends LS1 was made up 12.7 is a lil low for the norm
and you and whoever did not have your ROLL

obviously you don't run your car @ the track or you would have a SLIP
you really need to just GO

I bought my Mustang in late November, on November 17th. I destroyed my 2nd gear synchro I think it was in early January, I don't know. I haven't even had a chance to take it to the strip.

You were asked what your car runs by I think whitedevilTA. So, if you want to be a big man, and talk about slips, where is your's at?

By the way, just so you know the situation here, there are a couple different people.

I, Shadow Z, am the guy who roll raced ninetyone's bolt on L98 Firebird last night, with my Mustang.

WhitedevilTA is the other person who is involved in this thread. He is the one who posted a video of his friend's LS1 running a 12.7.

never saw his question
2nd gear Launch @2K 113 1/4 stock tires

I will agree 12.7 is not your average run out of an LS1 but my freind is a hell of a driver and they are CAPABLE of that which means technically they can all run about that with a damn good driver. Just like a new edge GT is a low 14 average car but very CAPABLE of better times. Cars run what the driver is capable of. Saying they all run "14.7" or whatever you think is just not the case.

Uh, I can blurt out a trap speed too.

60'? 1/8th E.T. and MPH? 1/4 E.T. and MPH? Elevation? Missing a few things there. I don't have a scanner myself so I won't imply you do, but I imagine you could take some time out of your day to run to a library and upload this time slip.

What?????..... 2nd gear launch? Are you for real? and 113 is the mph I'm guessing? What time did you run?

That was my reaction too.

This whole thing is just stupid.

It went from my 3.73 geared, CAI, exhaust, and driver mod 5 speed 2001 GT putting a couple lengths on a bolt on automatic L98 last night, to pretending that a 305 would stand a chance against me, to a HSR T/A taking off when a Subaru was just driving, to arguing about make believe times that are ridiculously consistent from car to car.

Listen to whitedevilTA and do your homework. Oh, and I do go, a lot. Too much, perhaps. The Mustang has ran through $70 worth of gas in the last 2 days, since I have a lead foot, and love to bang some gears.

yes 2K there was no way to get a good launch from first stock tires High Humidity
12.9 was my time... the guy I was against ran 11.812 @ 111.07
from my time slip on June 30th 2010

That was a great run From your buddy's... launching very hard TA... But you did not mention SLICKS...
that's why the good time Slip like i said LS1 13.0

not a argument so don't get Bent

12.9 @ 113 is terrible. 113 is a low low 12 second pass. Not sure why you had to start in 2nd. My junk 235's didn't hook for crap on my old 2008 mustang but I still launched in 1st and managed a 2.0 60 ft.

They are not slicks, they are standard 275 nitto drag radials which are the least sticky of the 3 popular ones.

no dah 12.9 @ 113 is terrible I just told yah what I ran against the guy pulled a 1.592 60' 11.812 @ 111.07
my 2nd gear 2K was a 2.221 60'

drag radials is still like slicks especially on a track

High humidity 3:73 5sp stock 245's .570 lift 1206 intake heads matched 1206 HSR = no hook up without slicks is your answer

What heads are you running?

Patriot 2.02/ 195rl
64cc .125 domes 11.5 ish compression
neg 195gr off all rods

I sure hope they did not run 14.7-14.9 at ATCO unless they were automatics! That's what they run here at 3000' with light work and DRs done,5 spd GTs run low 14s on avg. with similar mods tune, DRs and gears 13.7-13.9.........

were not talking the GT with mods...as anyone would install
i'm sure they were auto I never looked

Hey 88gta3508 ,what transmission do you have?

WC t5 Pro 5.0 shifter

88gta3508, I thought that a stock 5 speed trans like that didn't last long behind a 350. That is why they made the 350's with automatics

I never power shifted due to this reason.. the WC is way better
the biggest problem with destroying the T5 is the stock POS shifter
I do not promote the T5<<<<

Did you do the work to this car yourself? Did you swap the motor in or did you swap out the auto trans?

I have vids of my mild bolt on L98 running against a friends full bolt on 4.6L GT, think it was an 02. I was in the 13.5's at the time and he was 13.3's. I''ll have to find it. Got me everytime. Eventually a few more bolt ons and it good air I was able to go 12.9's and i think the best he got was 13.0-13.1's in good air.

A G92 305 5-spd car with some bolt ons may take a stock GT but bolt ons GT will destroy the 305.

I did the work like drilling my own fuel rails and so on..
89 original T5... I built the 350 and took the blown 305 out
installed a 4th gen diff with Mosher clip elim.. machined the axle flanges to 3rd Gen width

How did you manage mid 13's with a bolt on L98? What do you mean by bolt-ons? Are you still talking the stock block, heads ,cam and intake here?

I think a "bolt-on" L98 should run low 14's on average.

That is a big difference from a low 14. Don't you know what a tenth of a second looks like on the street? You will be seeing taillights!

Orr defiantly Knows what a 10th looks like he has a 9 sec car

I just don't see a bolt on L98 car pulling off a 13.5.

was wondering what you guys consider a bolt on L98

my bolt on's when I had a 155k 305
hollow cat, catback suppertrapp sys 3:73, 58mm TB, 30# inj, fiber hood, my tune

Back in 92 we were all running mid 13s to high 12s w/bolt ons
heres 2 combos that work at sea level HRP
91 5.7 z28,700r4,3.23s..........
cut air boxes
Pulley kit
SLP 2600 stall
SLP runners ported
SLP 1-3/4 headers
Flowmaster cat back
Air bag in right rear 18psi
Performance Resource chip
Aluminum driveshaft
Comp ta 245/50/16 24psi
13.37@104 1.87 60'
'88 iroc 5.7,5spd conversion,3.27 gear
Same mods
Hooked shorties
2.5" y-pipe
SLP muffler
Comp ta 275/40/17 26psi
13.1@107 1.9 60'
I added 1.6 rockers and used M&H racemasters and ran the best of 12.7@111 1.7 60'
which eventually cost me alot in T5 repairs and replacements but hey it was 1992 and there was a limited supply of aftermarket support. I ran this car until 1999 where it got totaled NOT MY FAULT!

cool thanks for the info

anything except heads,cam, and lower manifold base.

something doesn't sound right here. I CAN see a stall helping with 3 tenths or so though. Now you are saying tires gave u 4 tenths on the Iroc? So u are saying you got into the 12's with no power adder?

ninetyone- What world do you live that a bolt on L98 can't run mid 13s or faster? I personaly witnessed a factory stock L98 running 14.2s at my local track years ago. And it still had the factory exhaust and cheap paper filters. Whats next? You going to say you don't believe LS1s run 12s with bolt ons? Come on.