Oh yeah one more thing rice rice rice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

You don't think 15 flat is fast for a STOCK $door family cr loaded with options?? **** with all the wieght it carries that is damn good..

WTF that is better than your little 305 could dream of stock..

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PMD Power
ICQ 70557275
AIM Curds301 or PMD Power
79 T/A 455 WS6
91 Firebird LO3

Ask me How to Make a Underpowered LO3 Shatter a Flywheel

 

Who cares i'm not stock

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

fast iroc, since we're on the subject of immaturity: "Oh yeah one more thing rice rice rice!!!!!", "As for another thing i would like to see you bitch slap me you little 150 poung punk." ~fast iroc
I don't think I need to even reply, lol


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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

The SHO is total rice.....The god damn engine was made overseas and stuffed into a POS ford family car. All I have to say is pathetic....... All you SHO boys go brag about your family sedans on your own board...this one is for american muscle!!
Ford owners....what a bunch of losers .....

 

Another really mature post. The SHO owners come here to defend their position and they didn't trash talk. You and fast iroc get the nerve to talk **** about them being rice....on the other hand I'm not even going to bother with this. **** it, you guys aren't worth my time.



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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

What's rice about the SHO? It doesnt have a big wing, no stickers covering the windows, it doesn't sport the Cobra badges, and i've never seen one with altezza's. That's just a kick *** sleeper car IMO. Someone just said they could be a threat and you bring out the flame throwers. They CAN be a threat..even with a Yamaha engine. Please know the meaning of the term "*****" before you use it.

All the third-gen's in here problaby run an average (re-emphasize: AVERAGE) of 14 second 1/4 mile times. It's only a matter of time till a properly built 4cyl.import smokes you. There out there...beware.

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89CamaroRS
Power Rating: 1.21 Jigowatts
Mods:Flux Capacitor
Future Plans: Time Travel

 

PMD-

The average stock 3.0MTX dynos at 180-195 at the wheel. That's around 220crank, which is what Ford published. The only ones I know that dyno that much at the wheel are modded.
It's easy to be confused by the car's performance; 15 secs for a 3400Lb FWD car would seem to need more than 220hp crank, but the thing Yamaha did well was to give the motor a very large, flat torque curve. That is what makes the car as fast as any 5L stock stang. If the curve was more like the 5L's, we'd be maybe a full second slower in the 1/4.

As for the turboguy, I'd say that either he was pulling your chains or bought the car as is and was told it was stock. There are tons of myths about the SHO, and frankly the vast majority of people have no clue about the motor, it's origins and it's incorporation into the Ford lineup.

"Since the v6 supercoupe has a supercharger, and it's slower, the SHO HAS to have one"...

To others:

Yes, I was implying a motorcycle. I felt it fit rather well next to the comments about cars almost an even 1kLbs lighter beating the SHO with mods. Apples, oranges, cherries, it's all the same, right? Am I immature? Ask all the children in this thread for an answer.

I will not be purchasing any more $2k bikes, I have enough, thank you. That was actually a pretty stupid comment. If I wanted to get another fast vehicle, I would. Don't assume that everyone replying to your posts is a punk that talks **** and has nothing. If I want to be the fastest, I'll get a turbo'd hayabusa. If I want to take you in the turns, I'll modify my ducati. If I want the fastest car, I'll drop a turbo'd 3.6L stroked SHO motor in an Elise, or I'll strap a JATO to both sides of a Ferrari. Don't get mad because I make fun of people's silliness, get mad because I'm faster than you, in my poorly tuned Navigator, pulling my boat uphill with the back full of migrant workers and the boat full water. I like what I have and don't need anything more. I've had mustangs and firebirds and cadillacs and they were all respectible vehicles, unique in their own respects. Yes, 220hp NA from a 3.0L in '89 was impressive. 800hp from a 5.0 is impressive. 300hp from a 1.8 is impressive. A tranny that stays together with it all is impressive, if it came with the car from the factory.

Really, some people take this all way too seriously.

No, I'm not a longtime member here. No, that does not make me invalid. No, the rules did not state that long-standing members alone have the fastest cars or the only correct answers. No, I don't care if you believe what I say or not. That's ok, I've got people I've known for decades that I would not trust for one second. It's funny how there are so many kings on these little message-board kingdoms. Sorry for the attitude, but 20 years of this tends to wear on me a bit. Put'n up and shut'n up happens at the track, not here. I'll be at valley in Ky with my barely modded SHO this year. Impress me by getting better gas mileage than I do (32mpg).

OK, let's talk f-body vs fox...

 

To all thoes that think the SHO is rice, what does that make the 80 something camaro, white trash?

 

Does this logic make the ZR1 Corvette rice? The LT5 was designed by Lotus, and it had 405hp by the time production ended. I'm sure that's enough to smoke you, me, and damn near everyone else on this board. A well-designed engine is a well-designed engine whether or not it was built in Detroit.

Yes it is. I understand ya now.

 

So true. That is our stereotype, but it's fun proving stereotypes wrong .


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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

My 89RS has Dual Outs even though it's not true dual...It's sooo riced out.

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89CamaroRS
Power Rating: 1.21 Jigowatts
Mods:Flux Capacitor
Future Plans: Time Travel

 

This is great my first 60+ post. Keep them coming 100 is soo close. But in all reality while the SHO is an excellant performer, for a family car, it is just a mini-sleeper, good for suprising 305 camaro's and firebirds, and dumb-*** civic drivers but it sounds like you would have to be a pretty crappy driver to lose to one in a 350 TPI car. With that said I still like the car. It looks tame and runs strong for such a small displacement NA engine in a heavy car. If I was in the market for a 4-door and I couldn't find an Impalla SS, I might get one, but it would be the family car not the performance car.

I excpect to waste this car, as I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the car modified.

As I said before keep the flames coming, I'd like to join the 100+ plus club.

 

I hate to jump on the ******* "ricericerice" bandwagon, but this is a third gen page. I would have never figured that the same people that are passionate about (mostly) V8's, two doors, and RWD could like something so different. It's got boring family car written all over it. Don't tell me about how SHO's are sooo different, and that makes them special. There are plenty of boring, semi-quick cars out there (Bonneville, Contour SVT). There aren't many NEW V8, two door, RWD left. We're the odd *****, now. Stay true to your school.

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No guts, no glory.

 

I am with ya here NTChrist!!!!

 

I like different cars for different reasons. I love camaros, the look and the power is addicting. However there are many other cars that I like as well, M5's S4's, porsches, gn's, sho's etc... Each car I like for a differnt reason. Whether its the body style, the way it handles, the outright power, the rwd, the v6 power or whatever. I think limiting yourself to one and only one specific type of car is exactly that limiting and therefore that is something I don't want to do. There are so many cars out there with different options some good some bad.

 

Who the f*ck do you think you are coming in a third gen site saying our cars our white trash mother f*cker.Anybody who takes up for this guy that owns a third gen has no ***** and has no buissness in one.Plain and simple a sho is a rice piece of sh*it.It is nothing but a family car it's for people that has old ladies that won't let them get real f*cking cars.Guys that have no d*cks.

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

Wow! Don't pop a gasket! It's just a car that some people like! He's not trying to take your IROC and your "weind" intake away from you!

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No guts, no glory.

 

Now you know what its like to not get the respect you deserve. I guess I should add mother ****er at the end of this to make me feel like a big man(Sarcasm.)

91sho
"there are other directions than straight"

 

Well, I have been lurking around these boards mainly looking at tech and I just stumbled into this section because I am debating about picking up a late eighties convertible tpi camaro as a second car. My car right now is a sho, and I would be keeping that also. I just have one question for all of the 3rd gen f-body owners: How many of you have ever driven a sho? I just want to hear honest yes or no, not a flame saying that one would never drive a car meant for their grandma.

 

I have driven 2 regular tauruses but not a SHO. From what I hear it is a bit like my my friends BMW 325IS cept a little quicker.
Fast is fast. I like all non-Japanese cars, but I have a big preference for rear-wheel drive for the sake of inexpense to maintain. I changed the Tranny mount in my driveway in 15 mins, alone. How long would that take in a SHO?


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91BanditII305TBI
K&N Filtercharger + X-Stream Lid
Flowmaster 80 Series Muffler
Subframe Connectors
Harwood Cowl Induction Scoop

 

I'm a thirdgen owner and my bro has a sho. I've driven it and it is a great car. I like the rwd cause you can have a lot of fun with it. In the rain I would rather have the fwd of a sho though.
Both great cars.

 

fast iroc i'm sorry you feel that way.
So your saying that because I like another car i don't have *****? Ok buddy you go on believing that, and if you ever like another car then I guess you have no *****.

 

I wasnt going to say anything till I saw this. 15 IS NOT FAST!!!!!!!!!!!! Take a 15 second car to the track or street and you will get laughed right out of the event. A 15sec 1/4 time is not competitive against anything except ricers, V-6 N/A cars, 305 GM's and 302 Rustangs. Anyone who is proud of running a 15 needs to get their head checked, unless their running like a metro or something and even then, 15 isnt fast. I dont care if its a car, bike, truck, go-kart, unicycle, llama, or a monkey on crack, a 15 sec 1/4 isnt gona win any races. If my car ran a 15 id shoot myself in the sac with a 12 gauge and light my eyeballs on fire. Your not approcing fast till you hit at least low 14's, high 13's. At least then you can win some street races. 15's....HA


sorry if i sound like a jag here, but come on...15's!!!


[This message has been edited by 88blkiroc (edited May 13, 2001).]

 

The sho is 15 stock for stock that is pretty good. With some mods it can be low 14's or high 13's. According to you that's pretty fast.

 

this post is getting long, I could see the flames all the way from the TBI board .
Everybody needs to ignore fast iroc, he was offended by the white trash comment and I can only think of reasons why. No respect his way if he can't appreciate anything other than a camaro.
As for 15 not winning races....they win races if you race a car that is slower than 15! I don't know what you're talking about 88blkiroc but I have yet to see ANYBODY laughing at the SHOs when they turn high 14.8-15.2's at the track.
You guys all should visit www.shotimes.com. They have a GREAT website full of tech stuff and it's a great place to learn more about them. So far I think the SHO owners are winning the maturity contest on this post. That last comment had NOTHING to do with me siding with a SHO or wanting to trade my maro in for one. I had to say that because I know what level fast iroc is operating on.

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

Doesn't that make up about 80-90% of the cars on the streets in most areas???....in which case that would make it a fairly quick car

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PMD Power
ICQ 70557275
AIM Curds301 or PMD Power
79 T/A 455 WS6
91 Firebird LO3

Ask me How to Make a Underpowered LO3 Shatter a Flywheel

 

I am a die-hard f-body fan as much as anyone in here, but someof you people have taken your fanaticsm to a retarded new level here. Fast iroc, I would be willing to bet you are a racist too. I, in fact, like that other groups can come and post on our board. You have very level-headed people from the other camp coming over, not making any rediculous claims, and not trashing anyone, and I can appreciate that. I like the fact that they have just come to back up another members' statements and to bring a little bit of fact to offset some of the BS that gets sprayed around pretty frequently in here. The very same people who are trashing the SHO for being rice are the same people who probably have those stupid Calvin pee-ing on blue oval stickers and have rear window louvres and 20 foot CB antennae sticking on their cars. Some people just have no class.

Another issue I'd like to address, 88black-something or other (forgot the name) stated that 13 seconds on the street is not fast. Where I'm from and where I've been, I'd say that any car running consistent 13 second times is fast enough to beat most people. Please note that I said MOST, not all (for those of you who are itching to prove me wrong).

I have driven an SHO. Very nice car, deceptively quick and fun to toss. I've also raced one in my lightly modded '92 RS TBI and beat it, but it was a good race, as he was starting to reel me in when we got above 80, so all I can say is you'd better be in top form when you decide to take one on, because he/she just may beat you.

My $.02,

Chris

 

Would some one please tell me where it was i said i only like 3rd gen cars.Know you people are making up sh*t.And cbpldc you need to look again he never said 13's was'nt fast put your glasses on.And cbplbc who the hell is calvin and what louvers and if what to talk to somebody i use my phone.Plain and f*cking simple 15's is slow in 1/4 mile maybe 10 years ago it was good but not now.You have cars out there that run 12's,13's,stock 15's is a thing of the past i'm sorry if i offend anybody out there that runs 15's but that is slow.

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

Drove my friend's dad's '95 SHO once. I did not expect it to be that quick. It's nice, I like it. Fun to drive. Nice torquey engine, pulls pretty hard too.

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'88 IROC 305 TPI
Crappy 700R4 slushbox
Gutted airboxes
180 degree T-stat
Advanced base TPS voltage
Relocated IAT sensor
Momo steering wheel (gotta luv it)
Ram-air setup coming soon
Flowmaster muffler (puke)
Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor
Ported plenum
Kills: '94 Z28, Olds Aurora V8, bunch of Mustangs, T-birds, ricers, and others who assumed a 12 year-old car would be too slow.

 

The SHO has the coolest intake I've seen. Sorry TPI guys but the SHO has dual length intake runners. The long ones are always used but then up where the secondary valves kick in...the short length intake runners open up from vacuum and the thing screams.
Too bad the newer ones have such a small displacement v8. They should have kept the v6 in my opinion.
One thing to note: I get 27mpg on highway with my 330hp 350 auto and that's still holding pretty good with the SHO and I'm faster . Too bad my back seat is about as big as my 10 gallon fish tank...but then it wouldn't be a sports car.


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91 Red My website

 

Ok sho guys why not put a family car vs family car. hummm gtp? I have seen it the gtp All stock will smoke a sho. so don't cry about how it runs stock. and for modded no chance there or will we just dump funny cars for SHOs

NO flame intended but, what does a 3.8L celebrity run? I saw one on the street smoke a 90? sho by 2 1/2 cars and the guy in the sho thought the celebrity had mods. it was kinda funny even suprised me

 

no offense meant to anyone, in fact I wasn't even going to mention it but with the way this thread is going...When my SHO was stock I smoked a multi-port 305 3rd gen 'maro. There I said it. I am not saying my car is faster necessarily, but what I am saying is that driver skill also comes into play when one is racing.

 

I dont know what kinda towns you guys are coming from, but if the fastest cars around you are running 13-15's, you guys are crawlin. Around here your not competitive untill you're in the low 12's/11's. If your talking about stoplight to stoplight racing with ricers and crap, even a 305 with a HP deficit should be able to take out a SHO cause of the torque advantage. Most stoplight races dont go above 60mph so its all about torque, which N/A v-6's just dont make.
All the SHO guys are calm and quiet cause they have to be. If the old guys driving the taurus's get worked up they might have a stroke. 45 year old people driving grandma cars running 15's just are NOT scary. Id be more afraid of a fart piped Civic then a SHO. Thats just my opnion. Maybe in other parts of the country cars run different, but In and around Chicago, you better be hauling or your gona get whacked. I wouldnt even consider running a real street race around here till im in the 11's.

 

Oops! Looks like reality just decided to make a stopover in this thread. 'Bout damn time, too. I have trouble understanding why this even needs to be debated on a third gen site. Maybe if this was a honda board, we could argue the SHO's merits.
"Fast" and "fun" are not always directly proportional.


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No guts, no glory.

 

"He didn't say that 13 seconds wasn't fast" Okay fast Iroc I'll give you that. He said that 13 seconds isn't competitive on the street. Maybe he meant something else there.....

And fast iroc, what makes you think I was referring to you in my rant about the Peeing calvin stickers and 20 foot antennae? Feel guilty? Ha. You're makin me laugh here. So they've got cellular to your neck of the woods huh? I'm sorry, couldn't resist. That was immature, but at least I don't have to resort to name calling and obscenities.

Carry on,

Chris

 

Hey ummmmm 88 350 TPI, The chevy celebrity never had a 3.8 in it, unless it was transplanted from another car. And that would make no sense be cause of the difficulty in taking a 60 degree v6 out and putting a 90 degree V6 in. They did come with 2.8's which could not smoke a stock SHO. Ever.
Just thought I would bring a little fact into this fiction-fest.

Chris

 

Maybe because i'm one of the ones trashing the sho.I'll tell you what if you can't read and remember what you typed you have no buissness in this discussion.cbpldc i bet your an idiot.15's is with out a doubt slow i think us 3'rd gen guys won this battle.

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

I remembered what I typed, but what does that quote have to do with anything? And while you're at it, perhaps someone who can't type or spell shouldn't be arguing either. If you wanna get technical.......


Also, I'm aware that 15 second aren't fast, but thanks for the reminder. Perhaps if you took the time to look at some previous posts, you would realize that I never said they were. Unless, of course you're too busy making up more outlandish uneducated comments.....


Chris

 

[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cbpldc:

Quote:

Also, I'm aware that 15 second aren't fast, but thanks for the reminder.


Chris

Who can't type ad make sense.Don't talk **** if you can't type yourself.

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

nobody is perfect

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

Were just about there! Ten more.
This is unbelievable, who would've thought such a harmless question could explode like this.

Carry on

 

Ya know cpldc your just getting too stupid for me.Your getting childish and immature no more responses out of me.Your not going to get me to play your 5th grade games anymore so see ya.

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

ROFLMAO!!! Fast iroc, I can't get enough, this is just too funny (while I wipe the tear from my eye).
One question: What was the fastest 4 door mid size from GM and from Ford, put up a list, even supercharged/turbo but only front wheel drive!!! This is a serious question so no flames like "Bull*hit..." I don't want to waste my time reading that.

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

Go f*ck your mother how is that you p*ssy ford lover.The only thing you can moderate is my d*ck b*tch.And when your done there you can suck on your mom's d*ck trailor park trash.Why don't you let your daddy wipe the tear from your eye like he use to late at night when he came into your bedroom after he was done.

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

Wow, talk about 5th grade games.....
But wait, I think all your vulgarities really elevated the level of this discussion. We really appreciate your input though...

Now on to things that matter.
JPrevost, I would have to say Impala SS or maybe one of the supercharged GM's like the Grand Prix or the Regal. Did ford make a really fast four door recently? BTW, that was not a dig at the SHO owners, just an honest question.

Chris

 

Oh, wait, the question is about front wheel drive, then never-mind the Impala. Dang, I thought I was on to something there.

Chris

 

Also, I noticed you quoted me from another thread, which had nothing to do with this one. And then you follow it with the comment "nobody's perfect". Maybe I'm just a tad bit confused here. Are you trying to pick on me? Better pick an easier target pal. Your intelligence is really shining through here. I suggest you stop before you start drooling on everyone in the room.....



Chris

 

See that just proves you can't even understand what people type.Whoops i thought it was rear wheel drive your a dipsh*it.And that is'nt from another thread you dumb a** you can't even remember what you typed.You better stay out of this one and leave it to the men to discuss.

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little

 

Is this how your suppose to do it reply to your own reply.

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85 iroc with 305 weind single plane intake, 650 double pumper, msd crap,holley mechanical fuel pump,cam is 230 duration 453 lift, 350 turbo tranny, 2400 stall soon to be 3000, 125 horse shot of nos, 4.10 gears, lower end is built and i shift the 305 at 6500, just for you 305 doubters pull up next to this 305 and get a little