Originally Posted by online170

Are you thick? How does my car produce more emissions? No car, or even humans are GOOD for the environment, but i am very environmentally concious. Ive done plenty for the environment, dont judge like you know me.

Did you read the three times i said im getting a cat???

MadDog, you are on the same page as i am, thanks for chiming in. I had a fairly interesting debate with a product specialist for GM who was advertising their new hybrid vehicles. In a nutshell, they wanted to give us $1000 cash, to get rid of the old vehicle and buy a new one.

First of all, when you get rid of a vehicle, it doesnt turn into 15 plush green trees, and some fuzzy bunny rabits, or even disappear into thin air, like they imply. It ends up in a junkyard. Did you know you cant dump oil or coolant down the drain? And metal has to be properly disposed of. Well guess what our cars are made of. Where do you think the coolant, and oil, and metal goes? What are the adverse effects of oxidation, or chemical contamination to open ground?

So you would have me beleive, that a RUNNING WORKING vehicle, which is obviously maintained, otherwise it wouldnt be on the road, is more pollutant than a toxic heap of metal and chemicals? Thats a tough argument.

Next up, they would have you beleive that a hybrid vehicle, some how, magically produces energy. Now they DO picth that to you, but some times they are careful, and turn that phrase into GAS MILEAGE improvement. Well gas is converted to energy through combustion, and its kinetic energy is harnessed.

Most hybrids use a braking system, that charges a battery while coasting, or braking. Now, the braking energy actually works, but when the energy is "harnessed" from coasting, it is slowing the car down. This energy is later used to propel the car. The braking energy is not enough to make a difference, but the car isnt actually making any new energy. You are just using energy you would have used ANYWAY, at a later time.

However, they do have fully electric vehicles, that bite a cost out of your home, and they have more intensive hybrid systems like in a yukon, that has a battery pack, and dual engines. They claim the yukon is the same weight, and it was lightened to accomodate the heavier battery pack. I dunno why they dont just lighten all of them.

Anyway, you will never convince me, that my car is MORE pollutant, while i maintain impeccibly, than if it were rotting in a toxic landfill. MY recently rebuilt engine is running perfectly, and if a 1969 chevrolet truck can be driven around, legally, so should my 1987 emissions exempt vehicle. A cat wont make much of a difference, but im still at risk after the $50 cat, because of egr, etc...

Originally Posted by 6speedIROC

I passed hotrod with no EGR...

Originally Posted by Shift06

How does your car produce more emissions? Well it has twice as many cylinders as the average car, it apparently has no emissions equipment, it is 20 year old

Originally Posted by Shift06

Just look at your emissions results sheet and tell me what your Hydrocarbons are.

Originally Posted by Shift06

As per a running car versus a crap heap in a dump, wrecking yards nowadays dispose of fluids and chemical properly, and have drainage systems to keep harmful fluids and chemicals out of water systems and such.

Originally Posted by Shift06

I am sure you are on the gas all the time, ........... I am not judging you like I know you,

Originally Posted by Shift06

This argument is retarded. In fact there is no argument, I don't even get what you are trying to say?

Originally Posted by Shift06

You are required to have the emissions components the vehicle originally came with.

Originally Posted by online170

Key word here is MORE. Higher concentration does NOT equal more..... If you got stung by one really fat bee, it would really really hurt, but a hive of bees would probably kill you.



Dont have one, dont need one. the hydrocarbons will be higher no doubt, but see above statement.



I guess you havent been to a whole lot of junk yards. Check out Spirak's on hwy 31, or Stephen's Auto on Fernbank. Plenty of old cars there filled with fluids. Not near any water sources, but they arent exactly "sealed off" from the environment.



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What im trying to say, is my car does not produce "MORE" emissions, and that there is a huge bias towards these cars. The law is the law, but i think its unfair they keep inventing new laws, so it doesnt seem like they are descriminating against car hobbiests.




Yes, thats what this thread is about. It wasnt there when i got it, so im working on putting it back.

Originally Posted by SheldonZ28

Hotrod status means that the car is tested at 1980 emissions standard's, and has no visual check.

Im a little concerned in regard's to the emissions system in my car like i said. I will have all the emissions equipment that was present in 2004 (Evap), and i will also have the charcoal canister except it will be located up ontop of the fuel tank because that is how the Evap was mounted for the '02 camaro's.

I will have the cat's in their original place in my car, and i can guarantee that it will pass my '89 emission standard's with ease.

The simple fact is that my motor simply has no provisions for EGR, or AIR. I guess the engines we efficient enough for '04 that it wasnt needed?

I see no reason why they need to nail me for missing emissions equipment, when in reality, everything is in place as need be. The EVAP is there, and so is the Cat's.

I guess in the end i can only attempt to defend myself to a Smog police officer, and hope he see's my point. Otherwise ill be stuck with fines.

And for me, its cheaper to pay fines then modify the engine for EGR + Air (would need intake, heads, exhaust manifolds, EGR system, AIR System, tune for it all to function)