t56 questions HELP
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t56 questions HELP
What kind of starter do i need 4 a 2 Piece RMS motor with t56 also can u bleed the master and slave cylinder if u get a new clutch hose THANKS
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You need the same starter setup as a T-5. Although, the actual T-5 starter is a piece of crap, and will barely turn over a 305. The stock LT1 starter, or any of the dual-pattern "mini-starters" on the market, is a much better deal. They will all fit and bolt up the same or better.
One thing to watch out for though, is your block's starter bolt holes. If your block doesn't have the right hole in it, NO STARTER IN THE WORLD can possibly be made to work. The reason is, the early-model bolt hole is spaced at the distance from the crank, such that it just barely clears the starter drive when the starter drive is located correctly to mesh to a ring gear located 7" (half of the 168-tooth flywheel diameter) from the crank centerline. The T-56 flywheel is 12.8", which means that the ring gear is about 5/8" closer to the crank, which means that the starter guts have to be moved over that far, which puts them RIGHT WHERE THAT EARLY-MODEL BOLT IS. The bolt would then have to go RIGHT DIRECTLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE of the starter drive. Therefore there is NO SUCH THING as a "special starter" that will work with that bolt hole and the small flywheel, no matter what a bunch of people who have never done it might tell you.
Check that carefully, BEFORE you put the motor in the car. It's damn near impossible to do a good job drilling a starter bolt hole with sufficient precision to be reliable, laying on your back on the ground under a disabled car, next to an oil pan and a control arm and a Y-pipe and whatever else. It'll cost you alot less to haul the motor to a machine shop and have them do it, than to have the car towed, and somebody else pull it and drill the hole and put it back. Do all this BEFORE you put the motor in. DO NOT believe it if somebody tells you what you want to hear, because THEY ARE WRONG. You will not be having any fun after you put it all together and you're laying there with whatever starter in your hand and find that it still won't work because you don't have the right bolt hole.
One thing to watch out for though, is your block's starter bolt holes. If your block doesn't have the right hole in it, NO STARTER IN THE WORLD can possibly be made to work. The reason is, the early-model bolt hole is spaced at the distance from the crank, such that it just barely clears the starter drive when the starter drive is located correctly to mesh to a ring gear located 7" (half of the 168-tooth flywheel diameter) from the crank centerline. The T-56 flywheel is 12.8", which means that the ring gear is about 5/8" closer to the crank, which means that the starter guts have to be moved over that far, which puts them RIGHT WHERE THAT EARLY-MODEL BOLT IS. The bolt would then have to go RIGHT DIRECTLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE of the starter drive. Therefore there is NO SUCH THING as a "special starter" that will work with that bolt hole and the small flywheel, no matter what a bunch of people who have never done it might tell you.
Check that carefully, BEFORE you put the motor in the car. It's damn near impossible to do a good job drilling a starter bolt hole with sufficient precision to be reliable, laying on your back on the ground under a disabled car, next to an oil pan and a control arm and a Y-pipe and whatever else. It'll cost you alot less to haul the motor to a machine shop and have them do it, than to have the car towed, and somebody else pull it and drill the hole and put it back. Do all this BEFORE you put the motor in. DO NOT believe it if somebody tells you what you want to hear, because THEY ARE WRONG. You will not be having any fun after you put it all together and you're laying there with whatever starter in your hand and find that it still won't work because you don't have the right bolt hole.
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Don't know about bleeding the T-56 hydraulics; I bought them for my conversion new, installed them, and they just work. I've never messed with them in any way beyond putting them in. I'd suggest leaving that all alone, just bolt it up and let it do its job, if at all possible.
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Here's a pic that another member posted a long time ago, showing the holes. The circled hole is the one you need. It didn't come in this block, according to what he said (he said he drilled it himself). You can see how much closer to the crank it is, compared to where the early-model bolt hole is, by where the 2 other color lines meet.
If your block has that hole, then you're good to go. If not, you're going to have to figure out a way to put it there.
If your block has that hole, then you're good to go. If not, you're going to have to figure out a way to put it there.
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Thanks 4 all the help on starter
i hope mind has holes
what i done is bought a new slave and master from advance and i was going to have the line made
what i done is bought a new slave and master from advance and i was going to have the line made Thread
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