hi all !! mike fortes said the adaptor plate dont fit a tko 600 , did someone had this problem when they did this swap ?? thanks

 

i have the tko600 and his adapter plate, no problems. Not sure what he is talking about.

 

was thinkin about puttin the tko600 in my bird and just thought it was drop and swap, what the deal with a adapter plate????

 

need to do a little more resaearch huh?

its not a drop and swap, the trans needs an adapter to move the trans back and make it mount straight up, the shifter has to me modified to set back 2" more, the crossmebmer needs to be lowered and shifter slightly, trans yoke is different ect ect ect

 

it depends where you get a TKO600 from.

the one we put in my dad's 57 chevy is pretty much the same as a muncie. Used a trans and some parts from classicchevy.com (we didn't buy a kit). Bought the trans, the shifter it came with, motor mount(rubber), and output yoke. everything else was fabbed up or re-used in that application.

http://www.classicchevy.com/assets/pdf/19-299.pdf?

you will need to massage the tunnel, and work out the details for the rear crossmember, but there is no adapter needed to the bellhousing; you would need a camaro blowproof bellhousing from lakewood if you use a factory hydraulic throwout assembly. the lakewood has the capability of mounting a trans straight up or 15 degrees canted with the bracket for the slave cylinder.

it looks like classic chevy even has a shifter that is offset to the rear 2 inches. EDIT-wrong info. the shifter moves over 2", not back. the shifter it comes with can be moved into 2 positions, a camaro would probably use the rearmost mounting.

 

this is the bellhousing:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LAK-15020/?rtype=10

 

i was just gonna get the tko600 off ebay that come with the fluid and yoke, i did not know that it was straight up not 15deg off center so prob be gettin the lakewood bell housing, unless........ u can drill and tap the holes on the aluminum housing??????

the shifter can be put in the rear location then the hole in the tunnel dosnt have to be modified??

is there a thread that has all this info and mabey pics??

 

not sure about the shifter location. you'd have to search on here a bit more, I would guess it's close, but you will have to change the tunnel anyway, since the trans is pretty large, you will have to hammer it or cut and reweld/add plate, etc.

that link i gave you give a pretty good step by step, different car, but the same problems apply.

the bellhousing in the car now probably doesn't have enough meat to tap threads into, and it's a weak aluminum casting. I would not do that at all, but use a good steel bellhousing. the other option is to possibly use an early(82-?) mechanical bellhousing for a sagninaw/t10.

You may or may not have to trim the blowproof bellhousing, it has extra flange material for the inner plate that might hit the firewall or tunnel.

 

with a 1" think adapter plate and using the rear most shifter mount, you still need to move the shifter back 2", or you will be hitting the ashtray. You dont have to modify the hole for the shifter in the floor, its fine

the blowproof bell from lakewood fits in the tunnel fine, but hangs low.

the other issue with the tko is that it doesnt fit the 3rd gen tunnel. It will be on an angle downward toward the rear, not a huge deal, but i does eliminate room by the k-member for exhaust routing.

it is also a ford trans, so youi need an adapter pilot bearing and a speedo signal adapter since the ford sender is setup for many many more ppm than the 4000 used stock in the 3rd gen.

I picked up my tko from Fortes parts connection, he has everything you need for the swap.

and an FYI, aftermarter 700r4/t5 crossmembers/crossmember mounted torque arms, will work with this trans if you pack them down off the trans subframe 3/8". Im using a crossmember mounted torque arm setup for a 700r4 with my tko, and aluminum spacers than i made.

 

The tko is/was a ford trans, but the aftermarket now offers them with a fine spline chevy/gm input, which is why you don't need an adapter. thats why I mentioned it depends which tko you get. you can get one that drops onto a gm bellhousing without the adapter.

the output shaft is still a c6 style so you need the proper ford yoke.

 

true, you can get ones that bolt to a gm bellhousing, but they will not bolt to a stock 3rd gen bell since its setup for the angled trans.

they will not bolt up to a lakewood scattersheild straight up, or so im told, didnt try.

you still have to relocatable the shifter rearwards or it will be too far forward. looking at 3" to the rear if you dont use an adapter plate setup.

 

The 15020 has both the 17 degree and straight up patterns, so it should bolt in if it's a GM TKO.

I wouldn't mind a TKO 600. Too bad I don't have $2500 to blow on a trans.

-- Joe

 

yeah thats the thing, i dont know if fortes has the gm pattern of the ford one.

 

thats really odd about the shifter. in the 57, i could swear we didn't have too much trouble with the hole where the muncie was, it was back less than 2 inches, but I'll have to take a look at that next time we are under there. I realize any movement is going to cuase some possible console problems, but I didn't think it was that much.

 

they are different cars, i dont see why its odd???

 

the car has nothing to do with it. The shifter falls in around the same place as the muncie shifter, more towards the center of the car, though. Which is close to a saginaw or borg warner that was stock for the f-body in 82-84.

so I would think it wasn't that far off. I know you installed it in your car, and you have first hand experience, but just taking a look between the trans' when we did the 57, the shifter location wasn't that far off.

 

its defiantly off. I dont have another trans to compare it too, but originally i bought the offset shifter that fortes does, with a 2" set back, and with the 1" adapter plate on the bellhousing, the straight shifter stick was right in teh center of the opening in the console. So like i said, remove the 3" and the shifter stick is in the ashtray in neutral. the trans is a littel shorter than most, and the rear most shifter location is forward from the output shaft end a good bit.

Another point here, the tko with the adapter plate utilizes the stock 3rd gen length driveshaft. Without the adapter, your loosing a lot of spline engagement.

 

yep, definitely a different driveshaft. We had a custom setup anyway, so we had one made up.

for the original posters, whichever method you end up going, make sure you get the right parts for the particular setup, for instance, the fact the whole thing is shifted back with that spacer.. you would need to make sure you had the special clutch bearing/bushing that sticks out past the crank to engage the pilot shaft.

86TA, take a look at that PDF i posted. the trans is longer than a muncie, and with the shifter in the forward position, it is very close to the stock setup(pictures 3a-3d). I don't know why you need all the spacer and everything unless you had one that still had the ford input shaft. did you have to use a ford clutch disc?

my brothers t3550 is like that, the mounting face and input sleeve match a muncie pattern, but uses a ford input and thus, a ford clutch disc.

 

nope, chevy 26 spline disc. they are all this way in 3rd gens. never heard of or seen one that didnt need some kind of shifter relocation, either with offset sticks or whatever.

on you pdf, pics 3A on page 4 shows the shifter on the other trans to be much further forward than the rearmost mount on the tko. I imagine the tko shifter would work just fine in that application. The 3rd gen shifter opening is further back.

 

I thought the 3550 had the integrated bell housing (bolts from the inside) and the bearing retainer was on the bell housing?

-- Joe