The good news is the headers are done and in the car. I have taken pics but my bad news is my CDROM quit working and I can't load the camera driver. I am trying now to get it back working and will post pics as soon as I can.

I can tell you that I am more than impressed with the finished product.

 

ttt - lets see 'em

 

UPDATE:
My hard drive turned out to be bad, so I will try and have someone else post them. Sorry about any inconvenience.

 

here is the passenger side header. it is a 1 1/2 inch header with a 2 1/2 collector and 3/8 thick flanges. i will post more pics soon.

 

who is producing these headers now and how much will they cost?

 

6Speed84Z28 is the actual fabricator that built the headers. Here are more pics. Email me with questions or concerns, as I am checking the boards and email a little more than Greg (6speed84Z28).

 

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I like it, but I dont know if i missed this or not, where does the EGR find its way into the exhaust gasses?

 

when will they be available to the public and for how much $

 

Heres the EGR all hooked up...

 

Are these going to fit just the auto's or will these fit on a 3.1L with a stick?

They look great! All most looks like getting to the spark plugs would be a little easier with these headers. I also like how you removed the Alt. so we can get a better look at the EGR setup.

 

I'd get those.....it looks like it could be able to be CARB approved too.....I'm in Cali and if you need help in getting a CARB EO# I'd be willing to help.

 

They're missing the AIR injection bung and won't be approved in CA.

 

They basically had to remove it to get the new headers on. The altenator has a rear brace that connects to the stock exhaust manifold. The rear brace will not work with any aftermarket headers so a new brace needs to be fabricated before they can rehook the alt. Whats the chances of you guys fabbing a new Alt. brace to go along with the headers? Also I would like to see the y-pipe if possible? Thanks- everything looks great so far.

 

If you guys in CA need the air injection bung it can be done. Pics of the Y-pipe (which is crush bent on this application) will be up later today or first thing tomorrow.

Oh, and before I forget... lets give props to 6speed84z28 for building these. He did a great job and deserves a little recognition. (Sorry Greg, I just had to post this one )

 

That bracket wasn't used on the install and has shown no signs of problems. If you want one, i'm sure it could be made but why spend more $ if you don't need it?

 

To make it done right!!!!


IMO I removed the alt to manifold bracket on my s10, about 2 years later the alum. bracket that was holding the alt broke. It does and will need it!!!

 

Don't worry, its not that big of a deal to make one. Just to me it wouldn't be worth paying more for the headers to get that bracket, but if you want/need it then i'm sure we can make one available.

Keep the suggestions coming...this is the only way to know what to expect out of our customers.

 

Now thats more like it!

Excellent job. Having the bracket and y-pipe available and priced separately is the answer.

Let the drooling begin...

 

I also notice that these are short tube headers. They are different than the ones you pictured first on another thread.

I would think that the long tube headers might be a little more beneficial as I understand that they may produce more of a gain in the low and mid ranges. That is where a daily driver needs it the most.

Either way, the short tubes would sure be light years better than a stock exhaust system. Probably easier to install too.

Test drive it yet? Like to hear the results.

Eagerly awaiting prices.

Jay

 

I think I'd rather have short tube, at least for a high-rev'ing 2.8... isn't the 3.1's powerband only from 2500-4500?

 

I wasn't the one who posted pics of the longtubes... They were never intended to be long tubes, always shorties from the inception.

As far as prices I can tell you that a set made of steel rather than stainless will cost about $350 (not including extras such as air fitting, y-pipe, or alt bracket.) It depends on what you want. If you want to email me with your personal needs I can get you a price quote from the company. The only reason that I haven't posted their name and number yet is because theya re a small operation and I don't want to have them stop what they're doing to answer questions over the phone. Like I mentioned earlier, please email me with requests for pricing based on your personal needs. If you want to go and get your own y-pipe made at the local exhaust shop thats fine, but please be specific as to what you want.

These will be ready for production in another week or two as the shop is now making fixtures to mass produce the headers.

 

Why don't you post a price for stainless steel headers with y-pipe and egr fitting only. This would be the most expensive setup- with this price we know where we stand and can work down from that? Its nice to see what all the bells and whistles would cost.

 

I know that the 3.1L does not use the air injection tube going into the exhuast manifold. It goes into the cat. I'm not sure about the 2.8L The only engines I have seen the injection tube going into the exhuast manifold are v8's.

 

I have a 3.1l that the air pump goes into the manifolds.

 

THose don't look much different than my CHC headers...but the bends on mine look smoother than those.

 

If you look closely at these headers you will notice a few differences...
1) the flanges that bolt to the head are 3/8" thick.
2) the bends on these are mandrel bent, not crush bent.
3) these are stainless steel.
4) the collector is different
5) the welds are TIG

Like I told CHC...he should continue his header production to leave customers a choice. If you want CHC's headers by all means contact him and get a set. If you want these contact me and I will get the ball rolling.

 

Um, the CHC headers were mandrel bent. What would be the point of "chrush bent headers" IMO, them don't even need to be in the same topic.


Heres a pic of CHC headers posted buy KJ a while back.
Where did KJ go??

 

TIG? Cool! I'd love a TIG and a plasma cutter, but I think I'll have to be satisfied with my MIG for a lonnnnng time.... although eastwoodcompany.com -did- tempt me with putting their no-name plasma cutter on sale for $750! I must say, I like the continuous flange of these headers...

 

I gotta admit something... that was the 1st time I personally have seen the CHC headers. They leave a lot to be desired (and no I don't want to start a flame with my comment..) and I really think you get what you pay for.

Like I said, if you want CHCs header then by all means go for it.

 

They may have alot to be desired. However, I see plus and minus' of both.

I give CHC props for even trying it, and being the first. I understand his frustrations of "I want I want" and he makes, and nobody buys.

I like the evenly flow, grandual (Sp) bent 1 peice tubes. Not the hacked/spliced ones your showing.

The one piece flange on yours looks nice, but from my experience with headers, I like the individual ones.

I do like the welding, and material of your kind. No need to paint, and will doubtfully rust.


I'm not trying to bash you. You asked for comments, feedback, I'm just trying to help. I highly doubt I will ever get any headers, and don't plan on it for the camaro. Just trying to give buddys on here some feedback and hopefully provide a better product for them in the end.

 

I don't get the big secret thing with prices. Why don't you post a price for stainless steel headers with y-pipe included? Whats with the e-mail me personally and I'll give you an individual price quote- this sounds shadey like your trying to work us individually for as much as you can get. I'll pay a fair price for a fair job- Just post your price in public.

 

The price is no big secret, but different people have different needs. Some want/need stainless, while others are willing to save some money and get steel. Some want mandrel y-pipe, while some are willing to save money and get crush bent. The headers aren't really ready for production until the fixtures are made, which is still a few weeks away so I don't want the cart ahead of the horse.

Greg (6speed84z28) is the guy that built the headers and everything is ultimately up to him and the shop he works for.
Maybe you want to give up a few answers here Greg? Let them know whats going on so I don't sound shady

Like I said, give it time and everything will fall into place. This topic is really only intended for exposure and feedback so we can get an idea of what the customers want, expect, and need.

 

if Greg can make these fit in a 4th gen 3.4L engine bay, he'll have an even bigger customer base and, hopefully, cheaper price for all of us.

 

From the way it looks to me, CHC headers seem like they would make more top end power. They have more of a J shape in the bends, while these have more of an L shape. In my opinion, these engines need more HP than torque.

Just throwing out some thoughts.

 

I'm here....

I have been gone for a month. Business Travel.


Anyways, I havn't had the time to get mine put in yet.
Did anybody else???


What's up with this whole header thing.
What happend to CHC headers, and who is this other guy.
They look kinda sh*tty, and way more expensive????

I think I missed out on a few things.

 

you missed alot then. The header production stopped, and I occasionally post, but not very often.

Oh and another thing, I am doing a engine swap in the summer. 396 BB.... ....

 

The bends on his are fine, they are not sharp enough to hinder any performance at all. His are longer primaries and look to be more equal length then yours which will increase performance. His flanges are night and day better-no comparison. His are TIG welded- no comparison. Irocs are much better quality. They just aren't painted yet guys.

 

I would ceramic coat the headers,

ceramic coating is a joke kinda, cause you only need a 20 dollar touch up gun and the coating cost about 30 bucks, and you just air dry them. same coating as getting them sent out. 30 bucks worth will do a set of sb v8 headers and a set of heads.


only chrome ceramic coating needs baked.

 

Thanks for getting my back there...

As far as the finished look, these proto's are stainless. The only options here are to grind down the welds a little and polish them, or to have them coated. The steel ones most of you will be wanting can be painted or coated. That raises another question to you guys... Would you want them delivered to you painted or would you want to leave that up to yourself? I think the answer will be painted, but lets just see.

Hey CHC... what do you think of these? Don't hold anything back

 

Gumby, can you hook me up on some more info about that spray on cermaic coating!!!!

Like sites, do I need a "specail" gun, or will a reg gun work.

Where can I get that material to spray.

 

What's up with the spray cermaic coating? I saw in the new Eastwood catalog that they now are caring high temp powder coating. I priced Jet Coating on their site (These are still 2001 prices so they could be more or less) it was $130.00 for the outside or $160.00 for the outside and inside, that would put a total cost at around $480.00 or $510.00 plus shipping for IROC's headers.

 

I don't even plan on making a buck from any of you so ill let the cat out of the bag on the ceramic and powder coating jaz. Its all so very cheap and easy it almost like selling drugs, lots of markup unless you know the real source. its almost to scam levels once you realize the little cost to get into either one and the supplies.





http://www.columbiacoatings.com



This is an Industrial Grade Coating!!! Just Like if You Sent Your Headers Out to a Professional!!!

Guaranteed to Last!!!

Most Columbia Coatings products will require the following tools/procedures. Specific instructions are included on product labels

Sandblast with aluminum oxide or fine silica sand. DO NOT USE GLASS BEAD
Degrease with acetone, lacquer thinner, M.E.K . or similar non petroleum based material
Spray with an airbrush or detail touch up gun or similar equipment, with fine spray pattern
Water based coatings spray at 50 to 60 psi; solvent based coatings spray at 35 to 40 psi
Proper thickness is normally achieved with one wet, solid colored coat
For those requiring oven curing, most coatings cure between 300f to 500f. For retail packaged products, requiring baking, a standard kitchen oven may be used. SHOP ONLY COATINGS OR SOLVENT BASED COATINGS SHOULD NOT BE CURED IN ANY OVEN COMING IN CONTACT WITH FOOD.
This product has a High Temperature Rating of 2000 Degrees.
Can air dry or may be cured in oven.

Coverage

(APPROXIMATE) ALL EXHAUST SYSTEM COATINGS
SMALL V8 HEADERS AND CAST IRON MANIFOLDS 4 OZ. PER PAIR
MEDIUM V8 HEADERS 6 TO 8 OZ. PER PAIR
LARGE V8 HEADERS 10 TO 12 OZ. PER PAIR


only the chrome must be oven cured.

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Thanks for the link/info. Will give me some good reading while at work this week.

 

The header company has a place that they use for coatings. I really doubt it would cost that much...

Greeeg...
Hope you read this, cause these boys are needing some answers.

 

gee alot og these posts remind me of another posting... alot of wanna wanna, but none even wanting to pay less then 1/2 of what these are being priced at!

Good luck tring to sell these to these kids. As I said alot of i want I want, but barely any will actually step up to the plate.

 

I stepped up to the plate.

 

sorry i have not posted in here on the headers in a little while but i have been driving my car more having fun with the extra power. so i will tell you guys more about them. the drivers side is equal length. the passenger side first 2 runners are equal length the rear one is not . the rear runner has as much length i could get into it without twisting the tube into a pretzel which would kill velocity. As to the comment that these are cut , spliced and hacked together they are not. this is the way headers are built on a small production level. take a look at any NASCAR, Formula 1, IRL ,Trans Am, LeMans, or NHRA pro stock car and you will see the headers are cut and TIG welded together. as a side note we have built headers for Trans Am cars among many others. as for pricing.
$315 for mild steel headers only
$450 for 304 stainless steel headers only
i have not completely figured out y-pipe pricing right now. the first person to order a set of headers willl get a free y pipe (pre production used on my car it is stainless steel)
as to the EGR and AIR fittings there is no extra charge for these. there is no AIR fitting on my car because i have no cat.

 

some things i forgot to mention. if you are concerned about im 240 type emmisions testing i am going to recomend the stainless headers and stainless y pipe. this will keep the heat in the exhaust so the convertor will light off better and faster. also if there is a demand later i am willing to develop a new passenger side header for turbo use and sell that separately if you already have the stainless headers. as for CARB approval i have heard it is really expensive and a time consuming process (John Lingenfelter who we used to develop headers for said it was a nightmare) if you guys in cali want to look into it and see if it has changed any that would be great. the other thing i have thought about on that subject is when people put TPI motors in cars they did not come in they had to go down and get tested and if it passed they were given a sticker under the hood that said everything was legit. so each person in cali might be able to go down with there own car and get approved.

i have to correct iroc57 on my y pipe he posted it was crush bent when it really is mandrel bent. so like i said in my last post the first person to order a set of headers gets a free y pipe.