Keeping everyone posted...
THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE WE MAY HAVE A CAR ABLE TO ACCEPT THIS MISSION.
The compromise and a counteroffer is in the works!
Keep sending those positive thoughts!
STREET LEGAL HEADERS FOR OUR CARS FROM PACESETTER MAY BE SOON AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE

 

***** post

i had a real good reply then i hit the wrong damn button and now it's gone, and i am pissed!

long story short, hop your plan works out

 

WE ARE VERY CLOSE ON THE NEGOTIATION & TERMS
I really believe tomorrow we will have a commitment from PaceSetter & our Friend in Tuscon volunteering his ride.
Will keep ya posted.
Keep those thoughts flowing it's working.....

 

where in phoenix would this be? i live in glendale 15 minutes from the city....and i can use my 2.8. im gettin a 91z28 in a 10 days anyways.

 

Hey man! Would you really be willing to do this? And also, I'm sorry about not sending you those kickpanels. I'm really really busy with work and everything. If you're still willing to do them I can send you them and everything. You did give me your address right? Thanks a bunch, you will be helping us out big time!

 

602-266-1964
Ask for Mr. Fred Gerle.
He is in charge of this opportunity for the STREET LEGAL 60* 3rd Gen F Body PaceSetter Headers for our rides.
Mr. Gerle will need to use your car for engineering purposes & fitment.
It will take two days of your vehicle being with PaceSetter.
Please send me an email & I'll phone ahead letting him know we found our volunteer.
Mr. Gerle is awaiting to start this IMMEDIATLY & I DO MEAN IMMEDIATLY.
They are holding up, getting approved a set of headers by CARB to send this 60* V6 3rd Gen set for us, same time.
The set being sent is for the 3.4 in a 1993-95 F Body (It's the same thing as for us 3rd gen, but "Different").

PLEASE LET THIS OFFER BE LEGIT & COMMITTED. As I "have commitment for a product" IF we deliver a car!
WE NEED YOUR CAR!!!!!
Yur V6 ride will be an engineering mule for each third gen person seeking to purchase these street legal headers from PaceSetter.
You'll be legendary! And your car attains instant collector status!
PLEASE LET THIS OFFER BE LEGIT & COMMITTED.

 

i can do the panels,but im moving the 15th of aug. to a house like 3 clocks away...ked85,you have mail..i cna do the headers things.its fine w/ me,as long as its between thurs and sunday,cause i go to AAi mon-thursday 7am -noon...jsut let me know where to go and when and i can do it.

 

Now things are starting to look up

 

Now things are starting to look up

Things were looking up, when I found a receptive person to hear one voice, representing many, about producing a marketable product for us to buy from PaceSetter.
G0D HOW I LOVE CAPITALISM!
I'm gonna be speaking to Mr. Gerle by phone Weds. AM to inform him of our local volunteer!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
GOOD VIBRATIONS!

 

Any updated news yet? (crosses fingers)

 

I sent several emails to various locations.
KEEP THINKING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS!
I THINK WE GOT IT!
I'll keep ya posted.
I await until Wednesday during the day.
Then it's up to the volunteer to keep the appointment.
Start saving for eventual purchase.
REALLY!
KEEP THINKING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS!

 

Yup, Karl is an Advertiser.

 

WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE.

A few more emails & confirmations back & a set of headers is gonna be sent for certification.
For real!
KEEP THINKING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS!

I also suggested a "replacement HiFlo "Y" Pipe & matching CC" for all 1982-1992 60* V6 owners not wanting to buy headers. NO smog legal issues to deal with from manufacture.
I also suggested the pipes clear any "subframe connectors one may add".
I also suggested the pipes be "boxed" instead of "round", where necessary, for better clearence. Just like on my old 1974 Corvette 2 1/2" pipes.

I used to work in advertising, this is just decent marketing research for max profit of products being introduced and us V6 owners reap the benefits.
Works by me!

PS... We're using someone elses money and professional talent to research & develope & make this stuff. How much better can it get for us?

G0D, I LOVE CAPITALISM!

 

well they are loosing little if anything by making them.
they already have the tooling and production capibility availibility.
The only thing they have to do if but some time into design of the new system.
what they are seeing is possible heavy interest in a product they are more then capible of making, and keeping their design team from sitting on their butt doing nothing.

 

Very cool, Karl!! An EO number would be cool as hell... stupid NJ inspections.

I actually have to section my y-pipe soon; it's always hung low- go figure, for a factory replacement- but now it scrapes everything. I have to cut an inch off the driver's side downpipe, an inch off the passenger side downpipe, and then weld the pipes back together. What a pain...

 

I've done my best to make all arrangements secure by Thursday evening.
Soon we'll find out!
How ever one looks at this project, everyone benefits.
One detail, I ASSUMED the "Y" Pipe would not need jump thru the smog law hoops.
According to Mr. Gerle at PaceSetter, "Yes, the HiFlo "Y" Pipe for factory exhaust manifolds would also need clear the hurdles."
Drat, was hoping for a product for those not wanting headers but a HiFlo "Y" pipe....
I'll keep ya posted....
KEEP THINKING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS!

 

i think this is really great. us v6ers are finally getting the attention that we needed. im going to order the headers and the high flow y-pipe for sure as soon as they come out. keep up the good work guys! hopefully they add some hp to the ole firebird

 

Pretty much the same information as previous.
BY END OF TODAY
IT SEEMS
OUR VOLUNTEER WILL HAVE MADE AN APPOINTMENT
for attaining Instant V6 STEET LEGENDARY HERO STATUS!
Will keep ya posted.
Closer I go, inch, by inch (Sorry Moe, of Three Stooges)
KEEP THINKING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS!

 

Were just going to have to start calling you KEDDER85. You sound like one heck of a negotiator- I hope you the best with your efforts.

 

THANK YOU!
I owe this to ALL HERE, EVERY 3rd Gen V6-er, including yourself AGood2.8!

You (plural) took the few to write a quick email in the favor of Street Legal Headers.

Today is getting wood cut for the bathroom remodel of the house I have for sale. Already did some electrical and kitchen tile designing. I still need to rearrange the house interior lights & install 4 ceiling fans plus other electrical work.
Yesterday, I forgot how hard it is to hand push a lawnmower in 100* temps. The lawn does look great!

FYI, 4' x 8' sheets of wood & drywall fit PERFECT in the rear hatch of my Firebird! Leave back seat "up" for the support! The 4' x 8' sheets fit better AND EASIER in the Firebird than my 1985 S-10 Blazer. And if you load right, you can also haul about 150 lbs of cement and then reload about 300+ pounds of tile! After the 300+ lbs. of tiles I installed new rear shocks! I finally wore out originals. My lawn mower also fits well in the Firebird back hatch, too!
Yeah, I use cars for all they are worth, or they are junked!

I can't wait for a quick visit to OC to say hello.
I hope so very soon!

KEEP THINKING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS, we are closer every day, to Street Legal Headers from PaceSetter!

PS yesterday I saw the NEW CHRYSLER 300 series POWERED BY A V8 (a preproduction disguised car prowling the Van Nuys city streets)! I got one pic I was gonna show, but it wasn't a good one. THE GRILL OPENING IS NOW HUGH! Think Chrysler trucks & ya close. I saw this same car, prior to the grill being modified. LOTS OF HOLES CUT for more air flow.

 

I am awaiting to hear if CamaroStud1988 has connected with Mr. Gerle at PaceSetter.

 

Still awaiting word from CamaroStud1988.
May have to call in reinforcements!
Keep sending them GOOD VIBRATIONS!

 

ok camarostud, i need to know too, my boss realy wants me to stay and as of right now he is holding me off the schedule, i realy need to know

 

ok, i leave for work tomorow at 4pm, if no reply by theni am going to assume this is being handled and tell my boss i can work....

 

Have any of you guys tried e-mailing CamaroStud1988 to see what is going on?

 

Our Friend, CamaroStud1988 gave me a quick email shout back.
Life progesses and he's gonna give a shout on Tuesday to PaceSetter.
Keep sending them GOOD VIBRATIONS!
Success is SOON!

 

A quick email of THANKS to CamaroStud1988 is a great way to thank him for volunteering!

 

I'll build a shrine for him wen he gets back

 

Mine will be built outta rubber tire marks at the starting line of Irwindale Speedway.
Give a CamaroStud1988 a quick email of THANKS.
I know alot of us would "Thank him in person" if the chance was available!

 

I sent off an e-mail to our awesome volunteer! I don't know about you guys, but I'm beginnin' to smell exhaust fumes and hearing exhaust notes......

 

KEEP THINKING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS!
SOON IT COULD BE HOT TIME, SUMMER IN THE CITY.

 

This is AWESOME!! I sat here are read EVERY post! I'm getting excited!! *fingers crossed*

 

Be sure to take a few moments & send CamaroStud1988 a quick email of THANKS!
Without our volunteer, this could not happen.
I only wish I was freed from my responsibilites for this "I need a car to make this product" mission, but.....
Send Mr Fred Gerle at PaceSetter a quick email telling him you'll be buying the final product, too!
The more we support our helpers in this mission, the better the chances that this opportunity WILL NOT slip away!
We are really this close, finally.
Realize,
this product is being made for a
DEAD ENGINE (2.8/3.1) (since 1992!)
CAR OUTTA PRODUCTION (RIP Friend! 2002)
THAT DON'T HAPPEN!

 

One question, though. Are they going to have an EGR hookup? (I would assume so).

 

If Pacestter is going for a C.A.R.B. E.O.# for Calif smog approval, then they will definately have the EGR provisions as well as provisions for any of the year car that have the air injection fittings for the smog pump. They will have the air fittings whether you like them or not (If you don't need them, just plug them) because they will be mass produced for a general fit application for all 3rd gen V6 cars.

 

Thought so.... No smog pump here, but I'm game on this!!!!

 

Been thinking about this after I posted this morning-

I sure hope the "Donor Car" has provisions for an air(smog) pump and also is a manual transmission. If it is an auto, the headers may not fit a manual trans car. And if it doesn't have the smog pump- then the guys with smog pumps are SOL.

 

.....Damn

 

Here's the deal on that thought...
1982-1984 cars.....
That is a real dead market.
MEANING....
How many want to invest the $350-ish Plus in headers....
From my reading on the 1982-1984 F body owners, most are happy to make them run correct..
Hop those older rides up?
Not likely.
Mr. Gerle asked me about those "owners".
I responded that, to me, most wouldn't invest that money for going faster.
NOW ya wanna make a case for that vehicle exhaust design for HiPerf exhaust?
Right now, it's tough enough getting a volunteer to be there for the exhaust fitment.
It took me many weeks to get a person close by Phoenix for volunteering.
One wanted to come from Oregon for his post 1985 vehicle to be used for this mission.
You go to Phoenix & volunteer your vehicle and the possibilites may be good for PaceSetter producing street legal headers for model year 1982-1984.
NOT BEING MEAN......
It's just the reality factor.
EGR OH MOST DEFINETLY yes.
The vehicle being volunteered is a stick set up, 1988 model year vehicle.
One creates the product for a stick set up & the auto just follows along for the fun ride.

I'm real thankful I got a manufacturers ear to hear our pleas of make a product we will buy it.
My call really was based on readers responses & volumn of tech dealing with the model years of 1985-1992.
If ya want your 1982-1984 F Body voice heard, get to Phoenix right now!

Please don't judge me as mean or not counting the 82-84 voices.
I've been on the board for a good bit of time.
I based my thoughts and answers on what I've read.
For a manufacturer to commit time & money & resources on a product for a dead engine (last made in 1992-the 3.1) & a dead car (RIP 2002)........the final product has to make a profit for the manufacturer & the product has to be a sellable item.

WHAT I HAVE DONE, if ya noticed, is ask for a HiFlo "Y" pipe to be made for the 1982-1992 owners not wanting to buy headers, but seeking more pep.
That "Y" pipe is a very good probability of being produced & marketed along with the HiFlo CC & "I" pipe & muffler.

I did my best to be fair to a manufacturer & us potential purchasers.
Keep thinking that the connection will be made on Tuesday as CamaroStud1988 offered.
KEEP THINKING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS!

 

Bump

 

Volley Returned;>
I'm gonna send a quick email to CamaroStud1988
Elevario, if ya can connect by phone to CamaroStud1988, see what's going on.
I believe alot is going on but at 113* temps in Phoenix, I'd be resting an extra bit, too!
I just returned from Van Nuys at 101* Plus.
Did lots of work, drove around in the heat producing interior of the ol Corvette.
Not feeling too good. Need a swim...
Miss my Firebird with working R12 AC!
Wife & 2 year old Son needed the car....

 

CamaroStud1988 wrote (Tues evening PST):

yeah,im calling him tomorrow right after school,and if its ok w/him, i will drop it off thursday night or afternoon "later the better,ac dont work" but
how do i say this guys name? lol

I'm still laughing at the last line as my last name gets so butchered, I no longer care as long as the check clears.........

Send our good bud a note of thanks!
At 113* degrees in Phoenix, I'd await til late, also!
I'm gonna send Mr. Gerle at PaceSetter the same email to keep him in the loop.
fgerle@pacesetterexhaust
Send Mr. Gerle a note of thanks, too.
Because of him, this "EXHAUSTING" mission can be accomplished! Maybe it will, too!

 

I got my reponse back From Mr. Gerle.
By this weekend, or sooner, it should be happening.
Keep sending quick emails of thanks to continue our support for CamaroStud1988 & Mr. Gerle of PaceSetter & their help for our mission of EXHAUSTING PROPORTIONS!
KEEP SENDING THEM GOOD VIBRATIONS!

 

Ah comon Karl 101* that aint squat, its been 105-110* here in the no O-zone portion of the country, loving every minute of it too., No ac at work, or in my car damn expensive compresser.

Made an offer on this 89 RS down the street V6 auto super clean 45,000 miles.
If they take it I'm going to need a set of them headers.

 

Yeah I know for some the 101* is nothing.
I got sick today from drinking so much soda keeping cool.
Sucked.
made me leave my work early.
Did 2 of 4 ceiling fans.
back there Thurs. doing more

 

Gosh you know what sucks about the heat here in tucson right now? Well the other day it was 115 degrees while it was raining! Talk about humidity! You sweat right when you jump out of the shower! At least I do.......

 

ok,i talked to the guy and he said they wont need the car for about 3 weeks,then they will schedule it in. oh i was wonderin,od i get to keep these headers?
i get my 91z28 tomorrow.....:lala: :lala: :lala: :lala: :lala:

 

Great thanks to EVERYONE out there!



Dammit... gonna have to redo my Y pipe for the turbo... grrr... maybe when I do the head/intake work I'll do the headers then

 

:lala: :lala: :lala: :lala: dancing sheep of joy. headers at last!!!

CamaroStud1988 we love you

 

WHAT A GREAT TEAM WE ALL MAKE!
THANK YOU EVERYONE!!

115* in the rain......No I'm too hot already

Honestly, this all goes to show that one person can cause a big spark of a fire!

Again, THANK YOU EVERYONE!
PS Great score on a good ride.
Hope the 91 Z28 AC WORKS!!!