I sir...will donate...

one dollar...

if only to get a kit at cost...

 

Sure, just as soon as I crack the SD 3.1 code!

 

T-shirts before a turbo How lame

Course they say Jesse James don't make squat off his custom bikes.
All his money come from name/product licensing.

 

um.... theres a no in there somewhere... look for it.. Not one much for marketing, let alone clothing... Im not the gap... im the vortex.

 

Just to clarify... Vortex made a joke... yeah, yeah, I know, but it's a joke in HIS mind.

 

hahaha darn man i was really wanting one of those kick **** tanks tops.....to bad, couldve been roasting v8s in style too

 

ok...so no tank tops...can i still have a turbo at cost for donating a dollar? i could always donate the other green if that sounds more interesting...but then you'd look like this:

:werd:

 

or you could donate like $100... and then you could sell us the kit for cost minus 100 bucks?

like a downpaymentinvestmentthingy?

 

Holy!! Now there's an awesome idea I never thought of!

Vortex and I will discuss that tomorrow... as things... *progress*

 

So like.... the turbo's in.

(Doward here again)

That's today's news.

 

Hey Doward let me know how the Turbo turns out? I've been looking that myself.....not doing it but buying it. If all goes well I would love to be the first to buy off yeah.....



Over all let me know how things turn out......Keep up the good work

 

I like taking pix... but just teasers for now.. first is IC template

 

Dow hitting the blow-off bong again.. this time welded into its own pipe.

 

ok.. lets try this again?

 

And of course BJ (Tiger) summing up the most important part of this entire project.

 

Actually it's ramtufftiger74 here on Thirdgen, V. Someone else already has the name Tiger when I signed up.

 

moi mal

 

I bet that intercooler does wonders for the radiator air-flow... Or maybe I need to check my eyes, it just looks like its almost completely blocking it. Is this not really that important?

 

thats gonna be so tight when its done....hey if ya need some more beer to get it done faster..ill send some to ya fed ex

 

thats why friends shouldnt let friends drink and own a v6 camaro/firebird:lala: :lala:

 

The plumbing can be tricky but I seen a rustang that had the inter cooler mounted where the passenger seat would be.

 

Dump the cooler and run a duct from the dash to the tb and leave the AC on! all the cool air you want.













yes im jokin.

 

Yeah... all this started because of a race... 17.1 vs 17.23 or so against a Honda Civic.

Actually, I have experienced NO problems running around town, stop and go, in Florida heat, with the intercooler mounted there! :hail:

 

to clarify whut The Doward has stated, the IC is over the 1 1/2" off of the radiator required for cooling.. hell the oil cooler on my Vert only needed 1/2" and it cools fine, i gave it an inch anyway.. i would say the IC is a good male 6" away... not a whole lot we havent ran into like a wheel chair hurdle-ist in the special olympics... but all thats left now is tuning...

 

Wow...this guy is hilarious....and pathetic at the same time!!!!!! Anyways...on my Dodge truck, the A/C condensor is about the same size as my radiator and sits right in front of it. I don't have cooling problems and all I have is a 16" perma cool electric fan pulling 2,950 cfm's. I don't think the intercooler will hurt the radiator at all.


BTW....does Z28 guy have a ****** and talk about killing mustangs all day long???

edit:....wow thirdgen censors the word * * * * * * . That's awesome!!!

 

And it will remain censored too, since you're attempting to use it in a derogatory fashion

 

Hey, you two are supposed to be setting examples here!!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ramtufftiger74
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BTW....does Z28 guy have a ****** and talk about killing mustangs all day long???

Could be worse, he could be on here (tgo) and talk about a truck.

 

ok, im neither a mod here nor a bowtie owner but im just gonna say everyone shut the bleeding hell up and stop argueing like a bunch of poncey buggers....... I dont want the thread locked, and most people who are interested in this project...


so... with that said.... "wanna go find something to hit?"

 

well it was a joke like it or not good to see that your working on it

 

Do you have A/C? Check out how much of the radiator is blocked by the A/C condensor! I guess the theory is that the air passes right through the condensor then throught the radiator, but I noticed that my engine seemed to stay a bit cooler with the condensor removed.

 

yeah thats true i removed mine also. the car ran cooler. And the ac cond covers most of the rad.




sO whats left to get the turbo running?

 

Pop the injectors in!

I sit @ 180 as long as I'm moving. Sitting, it'll slowly come up, till the fan comes on, but then it goes right back down as I start moving!

 

So, let me see if I understand this all right. You have to hack your exhaust to plumb the turbo, don't forget the blow-off valve (where does THAT go, by the way?) and then you run your air inlet into the turbo and then you plumb your charged air supply into an intercooler in front of your radiator (unless you like hot charged air and skip the IC) and THEN you run your cool charge air into your intake. Oh, and did you keep MAF or go for speed density? Oh, and about how much did this all cost in terms of material?

You guys seriously rock.

 

You've got it. I don't think Doward's project uses 'hack' in it nearly as much as mine does.. mine's just plain a hack job.

Doward's bill for piping would utterly destroy mine.. all depends on how many degrees worth of mandrel bends he's using.. probably over 1500 degrees worth of bends between the Y pipe, downpipe, and air induction pipe.. at 15-20 bucks per 180 degree mandrel J-bend....

Personally, I scored a bunch of used aircraft exhaust piping I cleaned up to use for the crossover pipe.. maximum bend in it is 100 degrees, but the stuff is obnoxious grade steel and mandrel bent.. cost of materials in that department, zero. Total cost of turbo project ignoring price of intercooler: $40 (My budget wouldn't even get Doward's exhaust from the headers to the turbo... not even counting the cost of the headers )

BOV goes on the charge side of the intake piping, and in a MAF car usually pipes the air back in front of the compressor inlet, but behind the MAF. Doward's vents to atmosphere, so I don't know how he's getting around the blow-off bog... and he did keep his MAF system.

I'm looking into a 2-bar MAP system for mine. Already done enough research that I feel comfortable picking up a sy/ty 749 ECU as soon as I find one cheap. I'll post info on that project when it actually gets rolling...

 

Yep, what he said. How am I getting around the BOV bog? I'm damn good, that's how!

Still working on the chip tuning, and well... here's hoping for the best!

 

Well, if I ever get really (and I mean REALLY) bored with my 2.8 car, I'll pour over your build notes and see if I have the patience to turbo the thing. Maybe only to blow it up, but hey, it'll be wicked fun... But seriously, that is a cool thing. With all that room in the engine bay on the V6 cars, you can fit quite a bit of stuff in there that the designers 'left out'!

 

like 2 more cylinders? ouch *smack* I felt that coming....

or TWIN turbos???? hopefully you are offering that version, right Doward?

 

why would you want twins on a 3.1? I can perhaps see a sequential, but they'd be so close in size that it wouldnt be feasible.. besides, for the larger turbo, you'd want 6 cyls pushing thru it. .. ah bugga.. out of shiraz...

 

I could have sworn that the supra and the 3000gt had 3.0l engines... or damn near close to that... what's the difference except huge technological advances?

 

Did some one say TT's?
The biggest thing I'm lacking in compleating TT's for my 85 3.4 is time with my car, it's 7,000 miles away from me. I don't know how to build any piping for it sence I can't model any of it to the inside of my car.
It's all on my web site but needs a big time up dates from my last summit and ebay shipment arivals.
I know 2 turbos will get me a lot more than 2 more cylinders.

 

Biggest power-gaining mod for the MKIV TT Supra!! And the survey says.... switch to a larger single turbocharger!

Your logic has a flaw.. the difference is stock turbocharged vehicles almost always use restrictive turbocharging systems. Manufacturers have to keep losses from overboost and overrev to a minimum, plus joe schmoe at a car lot wants the boost to be as immediate as possible...

There's lots of reasons to argue between single and twin turbocharging... performance is almost never a consideration, though. Fitment is. Ours fit single just fine, twin would just double some of the work, some of the parts, and tag at least 50% onto the price tag, with twice as much to go wrong later.

 

well the big mod with those is to go with a single bigger turbo.. besides.. why go with 2 turbos when we can get one to do just as good? im not saying its not do-able.. its just a matter of what will make better power.. we're not limiting ourselves to carb numbers at this point.. we're going for making a name for ourselves... and i havent really heard much of it outside of this website.... i want everyone with a 60 to know about this... even if they dont want it.. just to know its an option... to know that people are looking out for the underdogs

 

ok, just cuz you hit the reply button a second quicker than me techsmurf, doesnt mean you were quicker to come back with a response....






wait... yeah, i guess it does. cheers

 

V owned off the line!

Tech caught ya sleeping at the light!

 

With all this talk about single and twin -- and I know this has been discussed, but I don't feel like tracking it down -- isn't one bank of cylinders working a lot harder than the other with a single turbo?

 

Only if you hook up the turbo to one bank and not the other... which is not how it's done. With a correctly sized crossover pipe, the pressure at each exhaust port should be similar.

 

Ah, the all important crossover pipe. Thanks for clarification.

 

I here all the time people say TT's cost to much there to much work.
Now I'm not just going for plain old TT's. I'm working on TT's with there very own stand alone oiling system.
I will beable to supply them with there own cooled, cleaned, supply of synthetic turbine lube MIL-7808 (real life I **** you not oil that they use in air craft jet engines) before start up and after shut down (if I want) while under constant pressure through out the entire engine rpm range.
So many more benifets compaired to leacing off the cars oiling system.
I have the tank, the pump is in the mail, the lines are easy to do and get, and that oil won't hurt the turbos or the oil pump.

 

Now that sounds like a plan... hmm.....