Why Such a Difference?
Re: Why Such a Difference?
Im Gonna use a 3.4 block out of a camaro or firebird. I was planning on getting those heads and porting and polishing them. The junk yard only wants $75 for each and there supposenly they only have 65k miles on them. Would that flow as good as the 2000 and up models? How much would you want for those big port clyinder heads? Im also looking for a really cheap pair of junky clyinder heads to practice port and polishing on.
$150 for the heads only is a lot (you still need the manifols, valve covers, pushrod etc, etc. Last person who I knew went to a JY to buy the parts ended up spending $700 after all said and done. Aluminum heads at least have to be checked for flat and while in the machine shop should be leak-tested.
Since you are using a 3.4, you can use a 3500 top, and use the RWD pistons (if not boosting) and have 11.5:1 SCR. All my parts come with a 3yr waranty and are completely remanufactured. A 3500 setup starts at $500 with no TB. And have less then 40k on them when I start on them.
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Re: Why Such a Difference?
Where did you get the 3500 top end? Do they flow enough that port and polishing wouldnt be necessary? $500 is for the heads, and intake manifold? If i was to eventually add boost, i would need to use the fwd pistons correct? If im not going to then the stock Rwd pistons will be good?
Re: Why Such a Difference?
Correct. That is the heads, intake manifolds, valve covers, rockers etc. All checked, cleaned and brought back to tolerance. They flow almost 220CFM, and don't NEED a port job, but if you want to it certainly doesn't hurt. For a fee the yellow spring upgrade can be done since the heads will already be dissasembled.
What are you going to do for tune? 11.5:1 will run on pump gas, but you need to retard the timing (and should tune with the swap anyways).
I'll even throw in the 3500 injectors and 3400 fuel rail if you get it(I have a few laying around).
What are you going to do for tune? 11.5:1 will run on pump gas, but you need to retard the timing (and should tune with the swap anyways).
I'll even throw in the 3500 injectors and 3400 fuel rail if you get it(I have a few laying around).
Re: Why Such a Difference?
Like I said $500 for the top end and $50 more if you want me to throw the pushrods in. This is what I do at the shop most of the time (when we don't have machining jobs going on).
I can start sending out parts by the end of the week (you are responsible for shipping charges). Where are you located? If you want to PM me your zip code, I can get you some shipping estimates tonight.
I buy 3500 and 3400's from wrecked cars and part them out or sell them complete (here's the top end I'll be selling to you)...

(click to enlarge pics)
^^ the one on the stand in the background
This one has 32k miles, and at first the buyer was going to buy only the top end and now says he wants the whole engine, but I'll get another when he is finally ready (been sitting for almost a month).
I accept PayPal (perferred).
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Here's one I just sold...
http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t...firebird/3500/
Some parts after refurbishing...
(click to enlarge)
They get media blasted and the gasket surfaces get lapped.
I can start sending out parts by the end of the week (you are responsible for shipping charges). Where are you located? If you want to PM me your zip code, I can get you some shipping estimates tonight.
I buy 3500 and 3400's from wrecked cars and part them out or sell them complete (here's the top end I'll be selling to you)...

(click to enlarge pics)
^^ the one on the stand in the background
This one has 32k miles, and at first the buyer was going to buy only the top end and now says he wants the whole engine, but I'll get another when he is finally ready (been sitting for almost a month).
I accept PayPal (perferred).
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Here's one I just sold...
http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t...firebird/3500/
Some parts after refurbishing...
(click to enlarge)
They get media blasted and the gasket surfaces get lapped.
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Re: Why Such a Difference?
I will def consider it, thanks. I will see what my parents say, cause im in college right now. It may be a while before i can get the money, so if my parents say no or something i will get ahold of you when i get it and maybe you will still have a set. Thanks
Re: Why Such a Difference?

I would LOVE to see another 3rdgen fbod with mods like this.
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Re: Why Such a Difference?
What kinda of work are there to put FWD heads on a RWD motor??? Just read a lot about it not sure what is to it.
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Re: Why Such a Difference?
Just to make sure it's not overlooked, you need custom length pushrods for the hybrids.
The genII pushrods are not quite the correct length, when it comes to using the roller fulcrum rockers of the 1996+ genIII top end.
The genII pushrods are not quite the correct length, when it comes to using the roller fulcrum rockers of the 1996+ genIII top end.
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Re: Why Such a Difference?
Did you read that?
No where in there did I see mention of a change in stroke effecting valve to piston clearance.
As I already stated, any change in piston to valve clearance is not a constant when it comes to stroking an engine. A change in piston dwell time at TDC, can be effected by changing the rod length as well, which using the same stroke would require a new piston with a different compression hight, so that the piston still stops at the same point at the top of the cylinder. The TDC point in relation to the deck surface is something that can't change by a whole lot, [i]maybe by about .010" in an engine using the same the head gaskets and heads. If you change the thickness of the headgasket, you could change the TDC point of the piston if you wanted, but that's yet another variable thrown into the mix.
In short stroke alone does not effect piston to valve clearance, there are other variables that have a much more intwined relationship to this.
No where in there did I see mention of a change in stroke effecting valve to piston clearance.
As I already stated, any change in piston to valve clearance is not a constant when it comes to stroking an engine. A change in piston dwell time at TDC, can be effected by changing the rod length as well, which using the same stroke would require a new piston with a different compression hight, so that the piston still stops at the same point at the top of the cylinder. The TDC point in relation to the deck surface is something that can't change by a whole lot, [i]maybe by about .010" in an engine using the same the head gaskets and heads. If you change the thickness of the headgasket, you could change the TDC point of the piston if you wanted, but that's yet another variable thrown into the mix.
In short stroke alone does not effect piston to valve clearance, there are other variables that have a much more intwined relationship to this.
You should read again (first paragraph) p.s. I never said it was always a must just easier to change heads that will clear the valves. Thats only if you read what I've been saying. You also forgot changing the crank can also change stroke.
Re: Why Such a Difference?
Im Gonna use a 3.4 block out of a camaro or firebird. I was planning on getting those heads and porting and polishing them. The junk yard only wants $75 for each and there supposenly they only have 65k miles on them. Would that flow as good as the 2000 and up models? How much would you want for those big port clyinder heads? Im also looking for a really cheap pair of junky clyinder heads to practice port and polishing on.
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Re: Why Such a Difference?
Here's the first paragraph:
Piston-To-Valve clearance is just what it says ... the minimum distance between the engine exhaust and intake valves and the top of the piston at the closest given position of the reciprocating cycle. Piston to valve contact is probably one of the most common causes of damage to a racing engine. Piston to valve interference can be caused by many items, including: Cam Lift, Cam Timing, Piston Design, Timing Chain/Drive Failures, Deck Height, Cylinder Head Modifications, Valve Diameter, Broken Valvetrain Parts (valve locks, springs, retainers, lifters, pushrods and cam lobe failures), Valve Diameter, Connecting Rod Stretch, etc. In this article I will simply be addressing cam timing, cam lift, and basically anything that has to do specifically with the valvetrain.
No where is stroke mentioned.
I really don't know what it is you're trying to say here. The only possible change in piston to valve clearance is if the cam has a very long duration, and the stroke is increased by a huge amount, that would cause the TDC dwell time to be longer, but changing rod length has the same effect, or shortens that dwell time depending on how the length is changed.
Again look at the example of the 2.8L and the 3.1L in the GM 660 engine family, the engine family this very forum is dedicated to (mostly). The only difference between the two is stroke. 2.99" for the 2.8L and 3.31" for the 3.1L, there was a subsiquant change in compression distance so that the piston absolute top distance stayed the same between the two engines, (other wise the piston would come proud of the block) heads were the same, cam, valves, etc, and there were no piston to valve clearance issues there.
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