Raz

Ok so I put my intake manifold all back togather from the recent thread. And I'm still having major problems. When I go to start my car with the keys, the engine wont crank over, and my oil temperture gauge shoots up but the car isint actually getting hot. My Egm, throttle body, and hoses are all hooked up. And if I keep trying to start my car my batterie will drain from 13v to nothing. any help is very much appreciated

Raz

could it be the alternator going bad?

88RS19

Are you hooking up a battery into the car or are you jumping the car with another car??

Raz

when i jumped it i used jumper cables to my battery and waited 15 mins

88RS19

It won't be the alternator that won't let you start your car. That is only responsible for re-charging the battery. You HAVE to have a short somewhere. You either pinched a wire between the intakes or something like that. Another possibility would be that the starter took a **** and there is a short in there or in the solenoid (which should be built into the starter).

That's the only thing that I can think of. Anyone else have any ideas??? If we can't figure it out, then it would be best having a professional take a look at it.



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I would bet the battery is dead then. Get a new one.

Raz

Thanks. I apprecaite you handing out. info is always good even if it's not right. is it the probabilty that I blew my engine up from not having the top of my intake manifold on when i reved it a few times?

88RS19

It is a probability. I just hope you didn't blow it though. It would be a damn shame b/c that's a nice car.

Raz

ahhh im wiery of what a mechanic would charge to figure it out.

ill let ideas keep flowing before i buy anything.

So it could be a fuse so maybe new wires first... then batteries and sparkplugs, and the other part mention which i have forgot

SageMoonblade

If it isn't cranking you may want to check your grounding straps, had it happen to me. I actually managed to burn one up after an intake swap and could tell it had happened till I looked at it.

Raz

I don't know what a ground strap is sorry im a newbert. Yeah and was your tempture gaugh rising as long as you were trying to start it? i stopped trying when i saw the temp gauge at 200F

SageMoonblade

A ground strap is a thick wire running from the engine to the body or other source to make it connect to the negative side of the battery. As for my tem gauge the water temp always swings way over when I start my car but they all but my speedometer and tachometer do that. I don't however have an oil temp gauge yet.

Raz

ok so this is what my car does.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...Li4tmXCQ&hl=en

and then when i stop trying to start it it makes noises like if u were trying to unlock somthing

SageMoonblade

So it spins but no fire? are you getting fuel? That extra sound you hear could be the fuel pump.

Raz

Sorry! Google gave me the wrong link it actually is doing this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...Li4tmXCQ&hl=en

SageMoonblade

Same issue, rotates but no fire, could be same problem lol

88RS19

Did you disconnect the fuel rail when you took apart the intake?? if you did, maybe the injectors don't have good enough connection to spay the fuel into the cylinders. Try checking all of the connections, buy new plugs, and try it again.

Raz

Where are the fuel rails? sorry i dont know, but it will certainly help to know this stuff even if it isint a problem

fictmich

Was it working fine before you pulled the intake off? What all did you disconnect or take apart when you did that?

Raz

it was working then i turned the car off with the intake manifold off and then i turned it on to get my steareo working. So I tryed to start it up on the 3rd and it ended there

fictmich

You ran it without the upper manifold connected?

88RS19

The fuel rail runs underneath the part of the intake that says 2.8L Multi Point Fuel Injection on the intake. It's a "wiring harness" kind of thing that plugs into the fuel injectors into the MIM. Did you disconnect any of those wires???

Raz

i got a 3.1l but i dont remember doing so

88RS19

They are both configured the exact same way, just one has more displacement and different size injectors. That's all. But it's under the part of the intake where the air-inlet hose comes into it shown in your Avatar Picture.

Raz

alright ill give that an inspection tommaro

88RS19

Hold on a second. Give me a minute.....

fictmich

If you actually had that engine running with the upper intake disconnected (i had no idea it could do that) the settings in the computer would be way off from trying to compensate for that. You could try disconnecting the battery for 20 min or more to try and clear those settings and try it again.

Raz

this is a stupid *** question but how do you disconnect the batterie.

gosh i must be getting annoying with so many questions

fictmich

Go to the black cable (not red) where it meets the battery and you'll find a bolt (i forget what size, 5/16" maybe?) holding it to the side of the battery, loosen that until you can pull the cable back and pull it off to the side so it doesnt touch.

It's much better to ask questions first so that you don't screw something up.

88RS19

#1 is the upper intake that you took off, right?? The fuel rail is underneath that.

#2 is just the air inlet hose that goes into that. You better be able to find it b/c it's your picture that you posted.
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Wait... How do you post pictures on here???

Raz

you can right click your picture and go to propertys and find the link location and copy it. Then go to make a post and ull see a postcard with a mountain on it and you just put the link in there. Or you can go to Photobucket.com and make account, it'll store your pictures as you upload them and you can use the Image code from it

88RS19

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It's in "My Pictures" file on my computer and it won't accept it. That's why my last post is blank.

Raz

make sure you copy all of it some times ull have to drag your mouse further then the words and up

88RS19

Try this:

file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Setting...b58%3b14AM.BMP
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You may have to copy and paste the link in the URL bar.

Raz

i see you're not to computer shabby lol..
im not going to be able to see it. you could email me alot faster at bmxdog74@aol.com

88RS19

I just sent the email. Did you get it?????

Raz

Yes, and #1 was the peice i took off with the car running...

88RS19

Ok. We've got some progress movin' now!! LMFAO. The fuel rail is underneath what you took off. Like I said, it looks sort of a wiring harness that should plug into 6 spots (one in each of the 6 cylinders). Make sure the connection is good at the injectors so the engine is getting its fuel. If it was dumping fuel into the cylinders, then you may have ruined the plugs and need to buy new ones.

Also, make sure the distributor has got good connection. With the engine turning over but not making any spark, you'll just kill the battery and flood the cylinders with fuel in which case you'll need new plugs.

Raz

hahahahhahahahahahaha! yes. ill give it the *** kicker search when I wake up (3:41 am here in Westminster, MD)

the last question I have before i hit the sack is "which case you'll need new plugs" you ment sparkplugs right? dont wanna go out and buy the wrong stuff lol

88RS19

Yes. Spark plugs. lol

grimmcs

iTrader: (1)

^^Fuel Rail. Did you unplug it? Make sure all the connections are good.


Also, did you do anything to the distributer? The circled thing...

Check all the connections to that as well.

Raz

Great! It's running!

I took everyone's advice and pushed all the hoses and charged the batterie and it's working! I want to thank you all for your help!

awesome

wow man, for the future maybe you should buy a hanes manual or something like that before you try these things. I mean, I'm not tryin to talk down on you or anything but those manual's are available at any auto parts store and they will tell you the bare bones basics of what you are trying to do, like "how to disconnect a battery" and its really cool that we can all help eachother when stuff like this happens but in your case, what about next time? Anyways I'm glad you got it running!!