yesterday i replaced the coolant temperature sensor. I had to take off the TB and some wires..put it all back. When i tried to start it it wouldnt hold an idle. I thought i messed up and had a vacuum leak..took it off and nope no leak.
I checked codes and got a 34 for MAF..went and got a new one. Still the same. If u dont unplug the MAF it wont idle. If you do, it will somewhat with the idle going from 400 to 1200 then back down. It will at least run. What the hell? I need ideas...Its also running a code 34 and 22

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers (ready to install), Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil (Fireball in future) Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Ignition Module, 4th Gen Seats (not front yet)

" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

[This message has been edited by Graeme'sFirebird (edited March 27, 2001).]

 

btt

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers (ready to install), Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil (Fireball in future) Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Ignition Module, 4th Gen Seats (not front yet)

" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

 

Oh man.. that sounds like the same exact problem my friend had with his 305 IROC.. spent weeks trying to trace it.. 4 MAFs, an ECM, and a *cough* >>> Fuel Pump <<< later, it's running again.. I don't know what the heck that fuel pump's problem was, but it burned the original MAF, the replacement, AND a warranty replacement.. the one put in with the new fuel pump is doing fine. (He bought the ECM before I showed up on the scene.. turns out it had just been a blown fusable link that powers the ECM, MAF, and (you guessed it) fuel pump. If it's burning stuff up on that circuit I suggest checking all of the fuel pump's wiring and the pump itself before dumping in any more $$$, along with the rest of the wiring on that circuit. If you need a wiring diagram (which I doubt) I can procure one upon request.

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'86 Camaro SC, black /w silver racing stripes
2.8l MPFI/700r4 /w special 2nd gear delete option
In search of new v8 engine & transmission, now contemplating t5 swap to get me out of this mess.
MSD coil, Accel 8mm wires, SplitFire plugs, Gabriel hijackers, possible performance chip I don't know about.. gotta crack open the ECM and check sometime

 

My car did the same exact thing a while ago. I replaced the EGR valve, O2 sensor, PCV valve along w/ a new Delco MAF & then I reset the IAC & TPS to their correct spot & now it runs like a dream. That's the only thing that I can think of.

 

I dont think its the fuel pump itself. It works fine, until u plug the MAF back in. I need to check some relays and fusible links. Anyone tell me where the MAF relay is?

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers (ready to install), Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil (Fireball in future) Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Ignition Module, 4th Gen Seats (not front yet)

" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

 

[looks around] Lookout! It's a code 34 chart heading this way! I've included the locations of the relays.. good luck with it, I agree with you in thinking that it's the wiring of the sucker. The connector to the MAF might also be bad/corroded/etc.

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DIAGNOSTIC CHART FOR CODE 34 (2.8L MPFI ENGINE)
---------------------------typed by Tom P------

First off, they want you to check out the air intake duct for being loose or
damaged.

Since you are getting the code 34, and no other error codes, we can kind of jump into
the middle of the chart:

1. Ignition off. Disconnect the MAF sensor wire. Connect a voltmeter between the
____harness pin "B" (center) and ground.
_______Less than 1 volt? Go down to "1A"
_______Over 4 volts? Go down to "2"

____1A: Disconnect ECM A-B connector. Check circuit 528 (brown/white, on connector
_________"B", terminal #6) for an open or short to ground. If it's not open/shorted,
_________it's faulty ECM connector terminal B6 or a bad ECM. By the way, this is the
_________MAF's "signal" wire.

2. Connect a test light between MAF harness pins "A" & "C".
_______Light on? Go down to "2A"
_______Light off? Go down to "3"

___2A: Faulty MAF sensor connection or sensor. So since you've tried two sensors,
________I'd imagine the connector's at fault. Try checking for corrosion on the
________connector's pins- I had that happen once. Also, try wiggling the connector,
________and seeing if you get a SES light. If I wiggle my current one, I can make
________a code 34 set, and the car almost stalls. I've gotta get another connector
________from a junkyard... Pep Boys sells new ones, but for an outrageous price.
---------update 10/2000: I replaced the connector (actually, the whole MAF harness!)
---------with one from a junkyard car. No more connector problems!

3. Connect a test light between MAF harness pin "A" and ground.
_______Light off? Go down to "4"
_______Light on? Go down to "3A"

___3A: The ground wire for your MAF, which is MAF harness pin "C", is open. Fix
________the problem with the black ground wire, either it's bad or burnt thru or
________it broke at the passenger-side-upper-frame-rail grounding point (a ring
________terminal on a screw).

4. Disconnect MAF relay, ignition "on" (not "start"). Connect a test light (at the
____relay connector) between CKT 840 (brown) and ground, and CKT 39 (black/pink) and
____ground.

____Okay, now, the MAF relay is located between your air filter box & radiator, on the
____radiator support, I believe. It should have one long black connector to the harness,
____NOT two connectors (one black and one gray)- that ones for your flip up headlights.

____The test on CKT 840 checks to see if voltage is getting from your MAF fuse to the
____MAF relay.

____As for CKT 39, that's controlled by your GAGE fuse. (So that's what it does! Cool.)
____It comes on with the car's ignition- that's why you need the ignition "on". When this
____black/pink wire gets power, it flips the MAF relay's magnet ON, which basically switches
____the MAF on- that's how power gets from CKT 840 to the MAF.

_______Only one light? "repair the open circuit".
__________No light on CKT 840? See "4A"
__________No light on CKT 39? See "4B"
_______Both circuits are fine? Go see "5"

___4A: If no light on CKT 840, find the MAF fuse- it's under your hood, screwed down
________to the upper-frame-rail on the passenger side of the car, closest to the
________headlights. You'll see two little black boxes, each with two wires coming out
________of them, screwed down to the upper frame rail by one screw each. One of them
________has a red wire and a BROWN wire coming out of it- that's your MAF fuse holder.
________Pop the top off to see the MAF fuse. (The holder with red & orange wires is for
________your computer and fuel pump.)

________If the fuse looks fine, try replacing it anyway... I've had that happen to me-
________the fuse looks fine but's really shot. Perform test #4 again. Still no light?
________Probe the MAF fuse holder's RED wire with a test light to ground. This checks
________the MAF fuse holder's connection to the positive-junction-block, located on the
________passenger side of your radiator support. If it's bad, follow the red wire to
________the junction block & fix it. Do test #4 again- still no light? Check
________for corrosion on the MAF fuse holder's contacts. You should get a light by now-
________unless your test light's shot!

___4B: If no light on CKT 39, check the GAGE fuse in the fusebox. As I said up in "3A",
________if the fuse looks fine, try replacing it anyway. Do test #4 again. If you've
________got no light, you get to trace CKT 39 thru the firewall, so hopefully you get
________a light on this one. This one would be a bitch to fix. All I could tell ya is
________that the black/pink wire goes to the GAGE fuse, and the GAGE fuse gets turned
________on when your ignition switch gets turned to "on".

5: Connect a test light between circuit 840 and CKT 450 (black ground wire from the
____relay connector).
_______Light off? See "5A"
_______Light on? See "6"

___5A: Fix the bad ground wire (open on CKT 450) from the relay to the chassis.
---------update 10/2000: This is buried! It follows the wiring harness along the
---------passenger side lower frame rail. You'll have to trace it the whole way. It
---------joins with 5 or 6 other ground wires at one point. Then, after that junction,
---------one wire goes to a ring terminal on the rear driver's side head.

6. Check out the condition of the orange/black wire that goes from pin "A" of the MAF
____connector to terminal "E" of the relay. If this wire is fine (not shorted or open),
____then your relay's bad... you could get a junkyard one but I think a new one is only
____$10 or so from GM.

Let us know how it goes!


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Oh, hey, I just noticed you said you're also getting a code 22. Isn't that something with the TPS? If it is, you said you played with the TB- did you start the car with the TPS unhooked? Is that where the code came from? That would mean it's not a "real" code that's causing a problem.

Otherwise, maybe the TPS connector is bad/corroded/etc.


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