Why are they better except for weight loss?

 

Weight loss is the only advantage- so far I have only seen one K-member unit posted that is stronger than the stock unit and the guy that posted the pic said that they are most likely not going into production, It was only a custom unit made for him buy I believe a friend of his at RoadTech.

 

#1 More room to change the spark plugs from the bottom.

#2 More room for the oil pan.

#3 More room for the exhaust.

#4 Access to motor mount bolts.

Jerry

 

if you can afford it i highly recommend it.....the room alone is amazing, i can do anything i need to in a flash.

if it's a daily driven car that isn't messed with much then don't bother.

besides the weight, room, looks, well those are the only benefits and the whole reason you'd want one anyway.

 

and ofcourse for the a arms they'll not only be ilghter then stock. But stamped steel is pretty weak and flexes alot. So tubular a arms would help alot in the feild of handling. Also if you ever get the coil over conversion you could also get the adjustible a arms. So that you coudl adjust camber, toe, and I blieve even caster.

 

What is the typical weight difference in the k-members, tubular and stock?

TIA

 

Guys, these things flex more than the stock piece does. The tubulat A-arms are stronger but the K-member is not- its design is for dragracing not roadracing.

 

do some more reading before you make claims like that. i'm not calling you out but they work more than fine for all applications. just make sure you have the right grade of material.

 

From waht I hear from people its about only 15-20lbs lighter. I was seriously gonna pick me up a set but now I'm reconsidering...If anything I'll pick it up after I finish my motor or soemthing.

 

I think the general consensus on K-members is that the PA unit (in the picture) is best suited to drag and street/strip applications, and the RoadTech unit is a better all-around unit.

The only drawback to the RoadTech unit is that it currently requires their coil-over conversion, which not all of us really want. (I know, Kandied, but we've already had that discussion)

 

the roadtech version defeats the purpose.....it's heavier and you don't gain the much needed room for full length headers or turbo setups. why waste the large amount of money for these setups if your not loosing alot of weight or gaining any room? what's the point?

the people who really benefit from this type of setup either already have it or know exactly what they need. it's they guys who aren't really sure what they want that seem to go this route. i myself had no clue and it took alot of reading and searching to find all the needed info before i had made my choice; had i listen to the majority on here i would have thrown alot of money out the window.

all i'm saying is for those that are interested to do their research, not enough people here can speak from experience. get all the facts straight before you make your decision, you'll be alot happier in the end.

 

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the roadtech version defeats the purpose.....it's heavier and you don't gain the much needed room for full length headers or turbo setups. why waste the large amount of money for these setups if your not loosing alot of weight or gaining any room? what's the point?

the people who really benefit from this type of setup either already have it or know exactly what they need. it's they guys who aren't really sure what they want that seem to go this route. i myself had no clue and it took alot of reading and searching to find all the needed info before i had made my choice; had i listen to the majority on here i would have thrown alot of money out the window.

all i'm saying is for those that are interested to do their research, not enough people here can speak from experience. get all the facts straight before you make your decision, you'll be alot happier in the end.]

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Partner- You contradict yourself here after telling me your line of sh*t. Isn't this what I said in my first post about them being too flimsy except for the custom heavy duty Roadtech one that is not being offered?

There is a very good reason why this is the only part I have never upgaded on my car- again I did say the only part- I have done alot of invetigating on k-member setups and are not happy with what I have seen so far other than the custom Roadtech unit that is not availiable- I could care less if it is slightly less or slightly more weight- I am only interested in it being stronger than the stock unit otherwise I am still keeping mine as is.

 

go waste someone elses time.................do you have one? don't comment until you do.

 

Any weight savings is horsepower.

 

i had just under 50 with the chromoly, the mild steel was a little less than 40. that was with the tubular k and a arms though. not just the k member.

the k member is quite a chunk of steel when compared to each other.

 

Comments like this from a guy who buys a part, bolts it on, and only uses his car for shows and not driving roadcourses. Take your K-member out on a roadcourse and check its value then come back and talk smack cowboy. Oh I forgot you don't drive your car hard- you're part of the tooth pick/ Q-tip show car crowd, what would you know about race set ups.

Those K-members are fine for dragracing only.

 

wow, a 100 posts and already making a fool of himself

 

Good thing I own some Nomex........

This is rapidly becoming a flame war like the 'Great Coil-Over Debate of '03'

Kandied, you tend to throw a lot of attidude around, and it tends to put people off. Saying things like: "Do some more reseach before you make a claim like that" tends to get people on the defensive. You may be right, but don't be a dick about it, okay?

Most of us who aren't crazy about the available K-members have our reasons. The stock K-member is a big, honking box section. It's heavy and pretty strong. The PAR unit just doesn't look big enough to hold up to the beatings some of us put on our cars day after day.
As I've said before, the Roadtech looks plenty strong, even overbuilt, but it requires the coil-over conversion, and those of us who have to pass the occasional scrutineering can't do it and stay class legal. If the RoadTech was available for the stock spring mounts, I'd go for it. Yes, it doesn't free up as much room as the PAR, but it leaves plenty of room for that big-block, or full sump racing oil pan.

Don't tell me to do more research, because I don't agree with you. I've done mine, and I've found my answer. My car isn't a show car. It's a 10,000+ mile-a-year all weather daily driver and runs as many SoloII events as I can hit a year. Any part that goes on that car has to survive anything I can throw at it. I don't mind replacing things like plug wires and tires once a year or so, but I'm not replacing frame members every 10.000 miles, ya know?

That's my $.02, and I'm prepared to defend it.

 

my remarks were reguarding AGood2.8 and his statements that are clearly based upon other peoples experiences and none on his own. to say what he said was ignorant to the fact and might turn off someone who is interested. it's that sort of thing that starts rummors and is the reason today you see so many people questioning the safety and longevity of tubular front ends.

SpeedCat86, if you think i throw attitude around you might be right to a degree. i do get tired as well as upset when others try to make remarks without knowing the facts. if that makes me a bad guy in your eyes i can't help you. i just don't want people to be mislead into thinking that they can't or shouldn't do something.

if you have one on your car and can show some proof how they don't work or how they aren't right for the "daily" driven crowd then by all means do so. otherwise state it as an opinion so that someone who is trying to learn will know so.

 

Look here clown- I own a Third gen f-body Camaro that pull 1.07g's on street tires that I set the suspension myself. Now tell me how many people in this forum can claim that- You should learn to keep your mouth shut sometimes you idiot.

 

I guess I need to make some things clear. Those of us who aren't sold on the superiority of the PAR K-member (myself, AGood' 2.8, RevLimit et. al.) are guys who really whale on their cars. I think that the PAR K-member is a pretty decent piece, but I want something heavier. My background is in crash testing, where our equipment has to survive 50 G acceleration loads, day in, day out. I like my stuff bulletproof, and I just think the PAR could be heavier.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I just don't think it's for me.

I autocross. Autocross is much harder on your front suspension than anything but ProRally, and after my third set of ball joints in two years, I want the heaviest, strongest stuff I can get. I've talked to the guys at PAR and RoadTech, and I've made my decision based on my requirements.

I like the Road Tech k-member, if I can get it built with spring perches, I'll do it, but I just don't have the money for it, and that mod is a long way down the list.

 

where have i said that the pa unit is the "end all/be all" of k-members?? yes it's true that i have one, but that doesn't mean i set it above all else. i too like the RT version, however it wasn't sufficient for my needs even with the coilover setup.

SpeedCat86, i'm not saying you should agree with me. i think it's great that you have a matter of opinion and know a good majority of what you speak of. if you take it upon yourself to try and put me in my place feel free to try. i know how exciting it can be on the internet.

AGood2.8, i simply made it a point that your statement is untrue; it's unfortunate that it upsets you. you speak highly behind a computer.......while i don't share your enthusiasm i am happy to see this forum allows you to speak freely and with such disregard toward others. i would love to see you try that in person.


all i'm saying is you should just state that it's your opinion and not to be fact if your going to make such a statement.

 

Yeah that's nice that all of you can argue when typing on a computer. I might have to learn how to do that.



Why are they better except for weight loss?
Was the original question, and now the discussion has turned into an argument.


Here is my question. I have a 3600lb daily driver, that I am going setup for street racing. I love corner carving, and I like street/strip fun. I can't see where the flex that was mentioned could come from. I am looking at the chrome moly setup. Is it worth it for the street?

 

i really enjoy it because not only do i benefit from the weight and added room but it looks really good.

if you weren't going to go coilover i don't think i would bother seing as how your only saving maybe 25-30 lbs at most. while this helps in the grand scheme of things for the price it isn't worth it for the street.

again, i love it on my own car which i drive mainly on the street and the occasional track use. it's all abour preference, if your not going to go the whole way with the setup though i'm not to sure i'd bother. i just don't see you benefiting from much unless you do so. if it wasn't for the room itself i wouldn't have bothered; i loved my bilstein/eibach combo. however, this is alot better but more expensive as well.

good luck with it, be sure to check out all your options and decide if it's really for you!

 

If a car has one of those K-members, where do you jack it up?

Andy.

 

i don't care how good you think your parts are, that is a hell of a statement for someone to make. you've just put down everyone on this board without even knowing them. i can't believe someone in business such as yourself would make such a remark.



for the record i never said there was anything wrong with roadtechs piece in general. however i did say that it is heavier and leaves less room than many others which was a concern in my case. all statements that are true. so say what you want, but after that remark i'd definately call you an *******.

rather than picking your "high dollar" product apart i'll leave my comments to my "cheap" self. good luck with that business of yours "john" maybe some of these "cheap" thirdgen guys will be able to one day afford your "superior" product.

 

Kandied91z wrote "for the record i never said there was anything wrong with roadtechs piece in general. however i did say that it is heavier and leaves less room than many others which was a concern in my case. all statements that are true. so say what you want, but after that remark i'd definately call you an *******.

Yes you did- you said it defeats the purpose......to me that is saying something is wrong.

Heaver than stock? No it isnt....
less room than others? do you mean the one other tubular k-member? who says?

why is that a hell of a statement? because I am proud of my products and design them right the first time. And I only said that half of the guys have no business working on cars(You know who you are), the rest are mature automotive enthusiast who can afford my parts, not someone who acts 12 years old and talks alot of trash on the internet ... like you. And yes those of you who know me, know I can back myself up, I am not someone who has to hide behind a computer.

Hey Moderator..... Why delete my response? Why am I not a loud to defend myself on this board?? I am not the only one who see's Kandied91z as a trouble maker.........

 

yeah that's exactly what you'd like me to be....

say what you like; your just digging yourself a hole.

your not proud your being an ***. saying something like that might ruin you one day.....you don't need someone like me to give you trouble. you do that on your own.

you should be glad that someone would delete your post.....would you like everyone to know what you said? i know i wouldn't if i were you.


i'd like to know how i'm a bad guy here..... i haven't told half the people on this site that they have no business working on cars and half of them could never afford what i could.

then i could understand someone calling me names. am i the only one who thinks what this guy said is wrong?

 

well i am not even in the market for a Xmember yet.....but i know one place i will never even think of looking....i dont give a **** if it is even the best on the market....Customer service is a big part of where i buy from.

BTW....say what you like about people not having any right working on cars....but i know you wouldnt get away with saying that except when you are behind a computer

 

Kandied91z wrote:
yeah that's exactly what you'd like me to be....

?????
Kandied91z wrote: saying something like that might ruin you one day.....

I have been in this business since 1982, I dont see my business being ruined by standing up for my products...

Kandied91z wrote: i'd like to know how i'm a bad guy here..... i haven't told half the people on this site that they have no business working on cars and half of them could never afford what i could.

Why are you the bad guy? because you made statements without knowing the facts.

this is what you wrote "the roadtech version defeats the purpose.....it's heavier and you don't gain the much needed room for full length headers or turbo setups. why waste the large amount of money for these setups if your not loosing alot of weight or gaining any room? what's the point?

pskel350 wrote:BTW....say what you like about people not having any right working on cars....but i know you wouldnt get away with saying that except when you are behind a computer

I didnt say anything about the "right" I said "business". If you know what you are doing while working on a car what are you so worried about? are you one of the people I am talking about.

 

just keep digging deeper and deeper why don't you. are you going to take on everyone who has a little comment about what you said?


you didn't stand up for your product. you may have made an attempt but you put everyone on this site down and made yourself and your company look bad in the process. if you don't think what you said is so wrong why not post it in the aftermarket vendor review......? let's see how many think what you said was ok? also, if your going to quote me please at least make it legible....it might help the rest of us 12 year olds out who can't read so well in our old age.



i can understand your point on the remark i made about defeating the purpose and how it could upset you.......you certainly handled it wrong though. it may work for more general applications or as you refer to more "specific" applications. however, for use of full length custom headers or larger setups like turbo use it won't work as "well" as your competition (pa is not your only competition). hense the average person spending money for certain areas that aren't being helped. all facts, maybe not presented in a way that makes you look the best but still facts.


it's a definate trade off when someone chooses to use your setup.......is your way better than everyone else out there? it might be for one particular application and classification. either way you seem to think so or you wouldn't try to be in business right? even if it were "superior", it doesn't give you the right to make comments like you did. that is if you want any business here. not that i think you'll get much now.

if that upsets you then go build a better product and quit looking for a fight.

 

I've been politely trying to keep my mouth shut and not add to this but their comes a point where if the moderator don't want to step in then I will comment further-

I'm 6'4'/235lbs-and if I could reach through this computer and break your fu(king neck about now I would. You've both said your opinions as did I so now its time to let it rest.

 

Its pretty sad how some people side with others just because the member has been here a long time, has a lot of posts, or because they 'worship' the other members car. I for one side with Roadtech, and if roadtech ever came out with a setup to utilize the stock suspension, like they did for a few on this board, then I'd buy it.

 

you tell him.......i bet you would just kick his little highschool *** wouldn't you.


the good thing AGood2.8 is that you fully back a company like roadtech that thinks so highly of it's prospective customers. to hell with everyone else right.


and i'm the bad guy here.................

right.



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wow, seems roadtech has a following of "cheap" thirdgen owners who don't know a bolt from a hole in their head.

keep up the good work guys....

 

This is locked down for Admin review.

I suggest you gentlemen take your differences to email.

Steve

 

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wow, seems roadtech has a following of "cheap" thirdgen owners who don't know a bolt from a hole in their head.

keep up the good work guys.... [/B][/QUOTE]

Who are you to say anything about me? I gave my OPINION thats all. I've done my own fair share of research on tubular X-members & control arms.