my Iroc pics, black '86 with gold wheels etc

Could be yours! hehehe

http://community.webshots.com/album/90628291GwOKLn

 

nice. deffinately priced to sell.

 

Thanks

Know anyone who wants one?

 

Hi bricktop, try posting above on the for sale/wanted topic!

Looks lovely- why are you selling?

 

Well, bricktop just sent the link to my friend who has been looking for an IROC-Z for ages... Can't warranty he'll contat you as he has his heart set on a 5.7.

 

thanks for sending it to your mate, hope he likes it

the reason for me selling is that i just fancy a change, ive had the car almost 2 years, been to lots of shows and really enjoyed the car a lot, its never let me down and ive never done anything to it except for a new battery and regular oil/filter/plugs changes

Ive had american cars now for a few years and as much as i love 'em ive always promised myself an M3 and theyre now in my price range so im gonna look for one of those.

 

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Felix will hate me for this, but i stand firm, M3's are waaaaaaay over rated!

I've driven them, i think you'll be dissapointed.

 

In your opinion how do they handle in comparison with an IROC-Z? I personally have been super mega dead pleased with the IROC's handling... Simply AWESOME!!! And I only have the 15 inch wheels and the skinny tires, I can only imagine what it would be like with some serious meat.

One thing is for sure, I bet M3s have much better brakes.

 

What sort of price are you putting into an M3?

I'm with Phil on this one. Personally I'd stick with the IROC, it's not just another 3 series. I'm also not a big fan of the 3. The 5 & 7 are far better cars. Problem is that the new cars all have too much in the way of electronics for my liking.

 

well im looking at about 9-10k, it'll be an early non evo i know, but it can be chipped for about £300 to 320 - 330hp.

The iroc does handle well for its size, but its a heavy car, and mine doesn't have a posi diff so that makes it worse, tyres are 245/45/16.

But its not a car i enjoy throwing around really, its auto so that dont help and its just too big, i do enjoy throwing my Mk1 Escort around the lanes tho but they cant be compared together, the escort is light, nimble and generally handles 100 times better than the Iroc........BUT........i didnt buy a yank to go rallying in, i just really like 'em, but i need something more useable at the moment.

I mean come on lets face it guys, theyre not that practical, i dont mean the left hand drive thingy cos that never bothers me, im talking about the 2 parking spaes u need to get the doors open etc etc etc, i ve always wanted a Mustang, so i got one, sold that always wanted a Iroc, got that now selling it, always wnated an M3 gonna get it, this wont end here beleive me

Im not knocking the Camaro here, its one of the best cars ive hand, and if i could keep it i would but gotta have a M3 - sorry

 

the M3 will handle in a different world from an IROC, and it will be at least as quick, but forget any kind of bottom end torque, if the timing chain goes, its about a 2500 pound fix, (the chain itself is almost a grand) insurance will be crippling, and dont expect it to be any less thirsty.

Thirdgens aern't that practicle? umm, i have done 2000 miles in 3 weeks, its my only car, and one of the most useable cars i have ever owned. the lack of boot and rear seat space are the biggest impracticalities.

BTW, i have done 30 000 miles in the two years i have owned mine!

I'm not trying to put you off the M3, if you have always wanted one, then go for it, but just dont imagine for a moment it will be any more practicle, or cheaper than a thirdgen.

the problem with parking a thirdgen is it pretty much fills a space, the problem with parking an M3, is it often doesnt fill the space you left it in when you get back......(get a very very good alarm)

 

To each their own I guess, but I'm with Phil on this one. I like the fact that the sbc is such an easy engine to get more power from at a relativley cheap price. I'm constantly making changes to my car and something like an M3 just wouldn't allow me to do what I do.

However, I wish you luck on your purchase.

 

bricktop, so your MK1 Escort handles better than the IROC-Z?!?!?!?! Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t they have leaf-springs at the back and a very wobbly rear axel?

F-Bodies are heavy, which means you can't "throw them around" but that doesn't mean they handle badly.

The only car I have driven that handles better than the IROC is a Mazda MX5. But the Camaro is easily a close second, for all the hoopla that people make about hot hatches they don't handle anywhere near as well as the old F-Body does.... Yes, you can't approach a corner and just flick the steering quickly as expect it to turn, but you aren’t meant to drive like that anyway.

When it comes down to it the IROC is WAY more balanced than any hot hatch I have ever driven. Most FWD hatchbacks either start under-steering SO freaking early it is ridiculous or have such incredibly hard rear suspension is so hard that it’ll rattle your teeth out. The Camaro suffers from none of that; the suspension is supple enough to still be comfortable, it doesn’t suffer from any of the nasty under-steer so typical of FWD cars, no nasty torque steer typical of “high powered” hot hatches and overall cornering speeds are much higher than on a lil light-weight hatchback.

Many a time looked in my rear view mirror and seen a lil-hot-hatch leaning heavily and slowly disappearing thru the twisties.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cunawarit
[B]bricktop, so your MK1 Escort handles better than the IROC-Z?!?!?!?! Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t they have leaf-springs at the back and a very wobbly rear axel?[QUOTE]


Well mines built to almost group 4 spec, with independant rear suspension 5 link kit, bilstien adjustable height shocks etc etc etc im not gonna go into the full spec here.......

All i meant by saying that was if i wanna go round fast corners in the country lanes i already have a car that fits the bill.

I'll say it again, im not knocking the Iroc in anyway at all, i love it, its been excellent, but to say an M3 wont do the same job is quite a statement..............but anyhow its all personal choice at the end of the day.

[QUOTE]if the timing chain goes, its about a 2500 pound fix, (the chain itself is almost a grand) [QUOTE]

The timing chain needs replacing at approx 100,000 miles (at least the E30 M3 not sure on E36). I doubt very much if theres much chance of it breaking anywhere near that to be honest.....

i guess the battle continues i only wanted to advertise my car not get into a BMW vs Chevy discussion

 

Well, that explains it though.

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i guess the battle continues i only wanted to advertise my car not get into a BMW vs Chevy discussion

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying IROC-Zs are the end all be all of performance either... I recognize their flaws too; brakes are beyond crappy, really bad on the rain and they struggle when roads get rough.

But the handling is something I have no complains about, I really do think my car handles freaking great. It impressed my dad too when he was following in his Golf really struggling to keep up and the Camaro was just perfectly level taking all the twisty roads like they were nothing.

PS: Actually, I wish the body shell were stiffer... It is surprising a car with such a wobbly body shell manages to handle so very well, I bet with subframe connectors it would be even better.

 

i agree with you that the Iroc handles suprisingly well, i was impressed myself when i first bought the car. But i didnt buy it for that reason i just always liked them so i got one, as i said i have the escort for screaming about in so the camaro didnt need to fill a gap so to speak, i just wanted a nice iroc to goto shows in and cruise on a sunday

In fact its been absolutly great, no probs at all, one of the best cars ive owned. everything works and the only thing ive replaced is the battery but as i dont use it that much i cant expect much more i guess. it really is a good car, so if anyone knows anyone who wants one please pass on my email or pm me or something

 

Phil, Phil, Phil me old buddy trust me it heartens me to her you say that the thirds are better handling cars. The one main criticism I would have is the lack of steering feedback and the width of them on our roads oh and the lively handling over rough roads (which the majority are). So as I was saying the three things Having said that given a flat and smooth road that is wide there is does well.

I think the E30 M3 is a real drivers car. The car feels alive and feedsback everything to the driver. Whether it would be as quick on a track remains to be seen- I doubt it. But I would prefer the honed mechanical and tactile feel of the M3 to the wooley, slightly lifeless feel of ours. I just wish we had rack an pinion steering and I wouldn't be playing devils advocate

Cheers,
Felix

 

Felix,

Sounds like you're the one who should be buying the M3.

 

Isn't this the point where the moderators would jump in and say words to the effect of, "Take it to the PM guys", followed by a closing of the thread?

Please take that above paragraph as it was meant to be taken, i.e. deathly sarcastic

 

It's funny how we have different issues with 3rd gens I personally feel the steering is great, very weighty and very quick... But then again powersteering has never bothered me, not even the softest of the soft American ones.

I think my brakes aren't working to their full potential, coz honestly they are terrible... That's my main issue, the car is really confidence inspiring appart from the brakes.

 

You are infact 100% correct with that statement. This is completley off topic, sorry.