For anyone that has installed these: did you guys run into any problems hooking up the rear brake line?? Just curious.

Joe.

 

for me it went in just fine

 

No, they fit perfectly.

Ed

 

No problems.

JamesC

 

The main thing from what I've been reading is to make sure you order the right kit. There's a bunch of different ones out there for camaros and firebirds. Ones for the 1le option and it will have fitment issues on the front discs if it's a non 1le.

 

Earl's brake line part numbers:

EAR-28A180: for front disc cars
EAR-28A190: for all 4 wheel disc and 1LE cars

(Per Summit Racing)

HTH....

Ed

 

Humm, I have Earl's lines on my J65, and I've just ordered Spohn's 1LE brake set-up--with Earl's lines. According to AndyZ's CD, if I remember correctly, the 1LE lines are longer.

Update: I contacted Steve Spohn who says that longer lines are required for the 1LE set-up.

JamesC

 

The end fittings on the 1le are also different from what I've been reading in posts.

 

I went back and dug out this post.

Earl Line fitment problems post

 

The problem is that outside diameter of the fitting on the stainless line and the old rubber line are the same, but the inside diameter of the fitting of the stainless line is much smaller than the rubber line. Could I use an adapter of some sort, or would that just be defeating the purpose of stainless lines?? Thanks fellas.

Joe.

 

Humm, I received my Spohn 1LE brakes today along with the Earl's lines part # (as Ed suggests) EAR-28A190.

JamesC

 

IIRC the only company that makes a 1LE specific steel braided line kit is Goodridge. And I believe it's because Goodridge includes new banjo bolts with their kits – which are different for the 1LE calipers.

NONE of the other companies offer this. Earl's and Russell offer a "one kit fits all" since the length of the lines should be the same regardless if it's a 1LE or not. They usually also use "generic" banjo fittings to eliminate the need for a specific kit for each type of brake set-up.

 

That is absolutely positively NOT true. Where are you getting your information? Earl's kit PN 28A190 is specifically for 1LE cars and ONLY 1LE cars. The front lines are longer for use with 1LE cars. It does not even fit the front iron single piston calipers used on non-1LEs. It is not a dual purpose kit.

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=171532

Tim

 

FYI,

For the heck of it, I checked the invoice on the Earl's kit I purchased from Jeg's for my 85 IROC (J65). The part number is 28A520, the description: BRKHS kit 85-88 Cam 4W Dis.

JamesC

 

Well, that's why I said "if I remeber correctly". Summit only lists the 28A190 kit with the description of "Chevrolet/Pontiac: 1985-92 Camaro/Firebird, with 4 wheel disc brakes, Hyperfirm brake line kit".

The 28A520 kit doesn't come up in their online catalog under a general search for Earl's brake lines. The only way to find it on the Summit site is if you already know the number and do a specific search for EAR-28A520. The description for that kit does read "Brake Line Kit, Hyperfirm, Chevrolet Camaro 85-88, 4 Wheel Disc exc Hi Perf".

I do know first hand that the Russell kit is a "one size fits all".

Anyway, just a little more info. for everyone.

 

28A520 - That's a new number to me, but great to know. The problem is Earl's has no clue what products they sell, or what they fit and don't fit. Just like every company Holley bought, they screwed them all up.

28A190 is for 1LE cars

28A180 is for drum brake rear cars

28A520 is for 4 wheel discs, non-1LE front

Looks like 10 heads were better then one! I'll have to update my site with the third kit.

Steve

 

Thanks for the info Steve, good to know.

Ed

 

Good to get that cleared up.:hail:
Might be a good idea to post that info somewhere so it doesn't have to come up twice a week.

 

I again want to point out that Earl's does not make a kit for standard 4-wheel discs from 89-92 (where the fronts are iron calipers and the rears are the aluminum PBR calipers). 89-92 has the aluminum PBR calipers on the rear. The only set that has the proper brake hoses for these brakes is the 1LE kit - but that kit's front brake lines won't work without slight modification. The 28A520 kit is for 4-wheel disks where the rear discs are the iron rear calipers.

Tim

 

Thats why after scewing with the Earl lines I gave up. I have 87
front iron calipers & 89 rear PBR alum calipers. So I ended up using Russell SS lines, and at least they fit without any problems.

 

I got mine through summit.

What I noticed, I had to grind at the front calipers. Square peg in a round hole. :\

For the rears, they mis marked them. The LR was the RR and vice versa.

 

Which lines were which? I think mine are mislabeled as well, short - RR and long - LR. About to bend the hardlines to finish my drum --> disk swap.

 

I don't know if this is right or wrong. I installed mine as per the labels.

http://celligent.com/tim/iroc/brakes...s/leftrear.jpg
http://celligent.com/tim/iroc/brakes...nes/rtrear.jpg

Tim

 

OW! Those pics are BIG...

My eyes hurt

Ed

 

Short is LR, long is RR.

 

i have this set that just came to me.

http://www.spohn.net/index.cfm?fusea...&productid=119

looks like i will be modding them for my car, but i havent even tired to put them on, maybe they will fit fine

 

I'll give ya $20 for them, then you can order the right ones....:sillylol:

 

well i thought i did order the right ones, now i am so

i am about to give up trying to mod a thirdgen

 

if i did order the wrong ones, i dont know what i will do

 

Here is a idea, check everything before you remove anything. Thats a good way of not getting yourself in trouble and not having a undriveable car.

 

EAR-28A300 Brake Line Kit, Hyperfirm, Pontiac Firebird 89-92, w/ 4 Wheel Disc $95.95

i think this is what i really need.

o great another 100 bucks

 

What year is your rearend? Do you have the Iron Calipers or the Aluminum ones?

 

Now you know why I gave up on the Earl Brake lines.
Good luck

 

i have a 1991 formula 350 with a 10 bolt rear. 3.23 posi with disk brakes.

i am pretty sure i have the aluminum pbr calipers.

 

Sounds like you bought the wrong one.

 

Revised list:

28A190 is for 1LE cars

28A180 is for drum brake rear cars

28A520 is for 4 wheel discs, non-1LE front (85-88)

28A300 is for 4 wheel discs, non-1LE front (89-92)

They're all listed here:

http://www.spohn.net/index.cfm?fusea...&categoryid=48

 

I wish you had that on your site when i ordered my kit

Steve what should a fellow customer do when i ordered this set 28A190 and thought i was getting the set for my 91 formula 350?

28A300 is for 4 wheel discs, non-1LE front (89-92) the kit i need

I need the 300 kit, i also just got my torque arm in on Saturday, its a beast!

this picture shows the kit i just got in the mail.

 

You can send them back and exchange them. Problem was every time I talked to Earl's they insisted that 28A190 was for all four wheel disc brake cars.

Winds up they have kits for every combination, it's a shame they don't know their own product line.

Steve

 

I think i can drop them tomorrow at the post office, shouldnt be more than 4 bucks.

Mailing Address:

Spohn Performance, Inc.
P.O. Box 258
Denver, PA. 17517-0258


this is the correct address to send them back right?

thanks alot.

 

Keep the 28A190s. They'll work with the stock front caliper with only about 10 minutes of modifications. Very easy ... AND you can reuse them if you ever go to 1LE. All you have to do is slightly knock the corners off like shown in this pic ...

http://www.celligent.com/tim/iroc/br..._nofit_fix.jpg

ALSO - if you have a chance can you take a look in your kit and tell us which rear line is the long one and which one is the short one. In my kit the longer rear line was marked left rear and the shorter line was marked as right rear.

Tim

 

How do you know this? Who told you this was correct? I have mine installed opposite from what you mentioned (according to the labels on the actual brake lines). My kit is only a couple months old so I would ASSume that the label problem would have been fixed if there was a problem. They are currently installed, as per the label, with the long rear hose on the driver's side (LR) and teh shorter hose on the passenger's side (RR).

Tim

 

Rather simple really. BTW, dont EVER ASSUME that because there is a big company on the label, doesn't mean everything is right. From what I read a post ago, they dont seem to know applications very well.

The ONLY WAY the brakes would work, is if I installed them this way. The line for the RR that was labeled "LR" is the correct lenght, about 10-12" and had the fitting for the mount on the rear end was perfect.

The "LR" that was marked "RR" was about 5" and was the right lenght for the left side.

The center and fronts were right, just the rears were messed up.

The only way I can think this went through, is maybe they looked at the rear end a different way then we are. Who knows. I dont really pay attention to instructions or labels for the most part. I've been working on cars long enough to know for the most part how something will fit or not fit. And from my experience, that was the ONLY WAY it will fit.

Any other condesending questions?

Also, they should label them "Driver's Front, Passengers Front, Rear Center, Driver Rear, Passenger Rear" instead of the way they currently do it.

 

i am not too sure on modding them, i like to buy stuff so they bolt right on.

 

2

 

When I goto work tommorow, I'll take a pic and post them to show what I mean.

Also, my rear is from a 85 IIRC, its the Iron Caliper, maybe we have different applications and its only a problem on mine?

 

Yeah, I was gonna tell to just modify them, plenty have done that, including myself. But if he doesn't want to, I'll exchange them.

If sending by US Mail, yes, please use the PO Box 258 or we won't get it. We have the post office from hell here, you wanna meet lazy over-paid people with a major attitude, visit the Denver, PA post office


I've noticed on the numerous kits that I've taken apart that just about every kit has mis-labeled lines.

With that said, these are the best lines on the market. The quality is top notch, it was just a matter of getting the right parts for the right applications.

I'd never install Russell's on my car.

 

At least I know now it wasn't only me.

 

The only ones I had a problem other than the mislabel, is the fronts had the wrong fitting, I took a die grinder to the calipers and trimmed off some tiny pieces, and they fit.

Unfortunatly when you modify your cars, there are some things that are not 100% bolt on. There is a small bit of modification that needs to ensure a perfect fit.

 

Ahhh. Well - Mine bolted on with absolutely no problems.

Ouch. I've been working on cars long enough to know to ALWAYS read the directions - not matter how sure you are.

Yea - we're talking about two different applications here. You have the rear iron calipers and I have the aluminum PBRs. Mine fit without problems ... and are labeled exactly as MDFormula350's are in his pictures above.

Not for right now - but, depending on how the thread proceeds I'm sure I could be enticed to come up with a few.

Tim

 

Thanks for posting the pics MDFormula350! That's exactly how mine were labeled and they bolted up that way with no problems. If you feel a nervous or 'not right' about modding the brake lines then don't. However, I can tell you that it really is that easy to modify them. I really do think your best bet is to modify the lines since you can then reuse the lines for a 1LE conversion. However, if you don't feel right about it then definitely exchange them.

Great find on the Earl's PN 28A300. That's the first time that Part Number has been mentioned here on thirdgen.org.

Tim