Full Time for 5 years and working for someone who has modified and worked on cars for 30 years? I only use them when I get snagged. Usually by then, its too late. *Shrug* I've gotten pretty damn good at making things to fit and work perfectly. I only screwed up about $500 worth of parts to get to that point. LOL. BTW, I did look at the instructions afterwards....two words...they suck. Told me a bunch of things I already knew. "Dont get brake fluid on paint" etc etc.

I dont know if you posted pics before, can you post them and we'll compair mine and yours. Cause mine looked exactly like that too and they would not fit without having to run new tubes.



Nah, I'm pretty much done. [Shameless butt kissing] Even :hail: Teh man himself Steve Spohn agreed with me that this problem exists. [/Shameless butt kissing]

Like I said, I'll try to take pics to show you what I am talking about. If I knew this would happen, I would have taken pics of them out of the car, then installed to show the places it would not fit.

Oh well.

as far as the 1LE brakes, i dont think i will really upgrade to them, i think after i get the right brake line kit and new performance pads and slotted rotors it should stop pretty well..

i am just glad we all got this out in the open to help others get the right kit for their application.

Let's keep this civilized and on topic

Steve

Broadband recommended since these are in the order of 500k a piece ...

http://www.celligent.com/tim/iroc/br...s/leftrear.jpg
http://www.celligent.com/tim/iroc/br...nes/rtrear.jpg

Tim

Man, ya better hope none of them visit this board, or your shipments are gonna end up at the dead letter office.

Thanks for the PN# info. Now we know more about Earl's applications than they do.

§||?Ti]Originally posted by SteveSpohn [/i]
With that said, these are the best lines on the market. The quality is top notch, it was just a matter of getting the right parts for the right applications.

I'd never install Russell's on my car. [/QUOTE]

Steve,
I second your opinion on Russell. I had a line fail on my car and it took some badgering to get Russell to follow thru with the replacement set they promised. I know of repeated failures with the Russell lines.

That being said, I was planning to use the new lines Russell sent me on my 1LE conversion (since they were FREE) but I'm just not comfortable with that decision. I do not want to tempt fate and possibly have another line fail.

I have instead opted for the Goodridge braided lines and ordered them thru Tire Rack. They should arrive in 4 - 6 weeks. I'll post about them once they arrive and I can check them out.

Here's a shot of my lines I just got (rears only) just for verification.

Ed

Dammit...

Since I left my camera at home.....

See the one marked "Left Right?" Alright, at the round fitting, there is a collar where it slides through a U-Shaped piece of metal and gets held by another U-shaped retainer. The only way it fit, was on the Passenger Rear. Thats what I went by.

Hopefully, I'll remember my camera tommorow.

So far we are 3 for 3 with regard to the 28A190. The short rear hose is marked for the right and the long rear hose is marked for the left.

Tim

Did you see my pictures yet? Both hoses slide through a bracket mounted to rear and get secured via a U-clip.

Tim

Its hard to tell with yours, anyway, here are mine. (Got 4 pics)

Right Rear

2.

Left Rear

2.

Yep. Our applications are totally different. On the PBR setups both of the caliper are towards the rear of the car.

Tim

Dave...you running a 4th gen rear? I've seen a few of 4th gen rears with leading calipers instead of the following calipers that the 3rd gen rears have.


Ed

I ran into a problem installing my EARL's Stainless steel kit....

i snaped the rear hardline, so now i just spent 200 bucks from www.inlinetube.com to change all my brakelines over to stainless steel ones...

all the lines are pre-bent

Anyone have a close pic of the driver's side bracket where the hard line joins the flex line?

JamesC

for 4 wheel disc, or rear drums? the rear hardline or the front?

PBR's with the hard line at the rear of the axel tube.

JamesC

Sure James:

Thanks, Ed, but I was looking for a pic of the rear lines and brackets

JamesC

when i replace my hardlines this weekend ill try to snap a few shots for you...

Hey, Ham,

I'd really appreciate your effort.

JamesC

i apologise for the long delay... it got cold and i didnt get a chance to take the pic of r awhile...



Here is where the EARL's stainless line feeds into the Hardline in the rear.





Here is the distribution block in the back on the rear axle that the two lines from each drum thread into

Ham,

Should you have pics of the left/right brackets on the rear of the axel tubes (where the hard lines meet the braided lines before going to the calipers), I'd very much like to see them.

Thanks,

JamesC

if i had 4w disc brakes i could man. that was the only braided line that goes to the rear. i showed you the begining and the end.

however if you post a specific request i can take pics of anything u need.

just remember i have rear drums and front disc

If you wait till tomorrow I could possibly get a pic of the rear lines. I have the 4 disc brake Earl version installed on my car.

Hey, Fire,

Many thanks for the offer, but I saw what I needed on a couple of links from Trax.

Also, to avoid confusion (and perhaps it's only on my part), here are some pics which, I think, pretty much demonstrate that, at least, the 1LE version of Earl's lines are correctly labeled. Note that the old rubber lines, attached to their brackets and to the calipers, conform perfectly to how Earl's have labeled their lines. The first pic is the longer driver's side.

JamesC

And the shorter, pass side.

JamesC

WTF gives. Everyone said 28A520 is the set up to go with for a non 1LE car before 89. Then why do my front lines have a flare, and the damn Earls lines have a male side flare in them too?! They should of had the female recess inside the braided lines, but they were the exact opposite. I ordered them from Summit and maybe someone played switcheroo, but I doubt it.
I was tryint to figure out why the damn fitting would'nt thread....and thats why. So now I am out close to $200 dollars. Everyone beware of Earls. Seems we are all trying to figure out thier product line for them.

28A190 is for 1LE cars
28A180 is for drum brake rear cars
28A520 is for 4 wheel discs, non-1LE front (85-88)
28A300 is for 4 wheel discs, non-1LE front (89-92)

Don't you have a '91? You need 28A300. These numbers were posted by Steve Spohn in this very thread over a year ago.

Ok, yes my car is a 91, however it was originally a disc/drum car.
So I swapped a 88 rear end in. So my car should technically have the same set up as a 88 car with 4 wheel Iron calipers yes? Which is why I ordered the kit that i did. I would think the way the lines connect would all be the same no? I thought the major difference was in how the blocks were configured to fit to the various calipers. Unless 85-88 cars had different flares on the front lines too. I had accidenly ended up with the 1LE kit, and now after some grinding that is what is on my car. So if anyone is interested in the set that I can't use...

BTW the 28A190 set had a sticker on it that said 85-92 camaro 4W disc. There are no 85 1LE cars.

Another about the switcheroo I think someone did. The lines for drum cars are 84-92 so that would mean that the flare on the lines in front are all the same 84-92 I would believe....correct me if I am wrong. I think I had half of the 85-88 set and a set of front lines for a 82-83 car.

I think the best option for other people reading this is to go through Spohn when getting the lines you need. Call them up if you're not sure what you need: Steve will likely know which lines will fit your car.

Okay... so I ordered the 28A520 kit for my car ('87 Firebird, upgrading to LS1 front and rear disc) from Summit.

I got a kit with only 4 lines, not 5. So it's obviously missing one... happens to be the Left Rear. So I am going to send them back and have them send me another set.

But I am curious... what the part circled in red for?



Where would this mount to? Maybe I'm missing something.

Strut. IIRC, you got four lines with that application because the driver's side is a hard line.

JamesC

So... what kit do I want if I want 5 braided lines total, and will that kit bolt up to my '87 hard lines?

Sorry, I don't know that much about the LS1 system. I suggest that you'll have to replace the hardlines to accomodate the braided line--as you would in a PBR upgrade. Check the following link for pics and info:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/faq-...iscs-89-a.html

JamesC

HEY! That's my car! He he

James is right, that fitting holds the line in the strut bracket. I had to run the line closer to the caliper but you get the idea. You need kit 28A190 which works with the 1LE, C5, and LS1 brake setups and will fit your '87 car. It has 5 lines. Let me know which line you need as I have many spare Earl's lines on hand and can get you the one single line you need.

Ed

Thank You!!

I am planning on returning these to Summit and getting the correct kit from them. Thank You for the offer though. I knew you would have the answer.